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Thanks Seegs. I have read quite a number of your posts and have followed much of your journey. The similarities (albeit with less projectors on my part!) lead me to value your views and opinions highly. To this day, I remain a DLP fan despite the less than desirable blacks but I can be changed.

The ANSI contrast is something I like about the decent DLPs also.

The only issue that I'm going to have is seeing one of these in the flesh as there are no units on display anywhere near me at this point.

Sorry for taking this thread in a different direction. I still remain genuinely interested in the Cine 1000.

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How Does Brightness Compare?

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Well, for me, its the best of both worlds. I was always used to a JVC paired with a cheaper dlp. When I got the DPI LED, I immediately noticed the difference from a cheap dlp. I have the shorter throw DPI LED, which is close to the throw of the JVC, so I could get a good size image with both projectors. I watch the DPI the majority of the time. Its not all because its LED. My HT is an all black velvet room with a 120in Carada 1.0 gain screen. I tried to make it as close as possible to a reference theater, along with my 7.3 audio setup. I actually set my theater up for anticipation of a 4K JVC. When I first watched a movie on the DPI LED, I noticed how sharp it was, then the Darbee made it look wonderful. The Darbee works better on the DPI than the JVC. The colors were great and motion was excellent. I was set on not getting a JVC this year because of how good the DPI looked. It was easy to calibrate too.

I prefer the DPI for HDTV. I feel like DLPs just handle HDTV better than LCOS IMO. Maybe its just me, but I prefer a DLP, especially something as sharp as the DPI LED.

For gaming, the DPI LED, I think most would assume this. Plus, I tend to play PS4 with my family and friends for hours and there is nothing like a quiet LED projector.

I use my HTPC with the DPI LED, I get so many emails for work and while I'm at home I just turn the DPI on and check them. Browse the internet, youtube, etc.

I only bough the JVC RS49/X500 for movies and thats its strong point. I remember watching the recent Star Trek movie when I got the DPI LED and the fades to black were great and the DI on it works excellent. Pacific Rim and Oblivion just looked amazing and so sharp. But in the back of my mind I always wondered how the JVC will look with this movies. So, I just had to get the JVC. The blacks were very acceptable on the DPI and I didn't miss the JVCs I had because the blacks were not the blacks that I saw on a CRT. These JVCs with the DI looked amazing and the side by side with the DPI on Pacific Rim looked much better on the JVC. I was surprised because I was so satisfied with the DPI. Then I watch Oblivion. I know the JVC would look better, but I actually preferred it on the DPI, just looked different and better. I compared the most recent Riddick and the JVC's blacks were so good, that the DPI could not hang. But if I watched something that not as dark like Man of Steel or Iron Man, the sharpness and clarity looks better on the DPI. I love the LOTRs and they just look better to me on the DPI. I watched the first Hobbit movie on the DPI and it was great, I watched the second on both and preferred the DPI LED.

So, my conclusion is the DPI LED is the projector I could live with if I had to choose only one. I know many use there projectors for mainly movies, and a JVC will probably be the winner if just for movies. I tend to watch the majority of my movies on the JVC. But not all movies are dark movies. Of course watching something like Gravity, Insidious, or Sci Fi movies will look good on the DPI LED with the DI engaged but on the JVC they will look great. If something does movies less than 50%, hands down a DPI LED. There is so much more than just movies going on in my theater that a JVC needs a partner.

Hi Blee1020, just wondering if you could possibly shed some light on how the brightness compares between the Cine LED and the JVC? I'm interested in perceived brightness -i.e. how it looks to the eye rather than measured lumens. Have you also noticed much of a drop in brightness on the JVC as the lamp ages past 500hrs (if you've made it this far)?

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I have about 70hrs on my jvc and 900 on my DPI LED. I have the 600 lumen DPI LED and the last time I measured the light output it was 575 lumens. I'm using a 120in 1.0 gain screen and I have no problem with the brightness. Works perfectly in my black velvet HT. The JVC can get much brighter in high lamp with the iris open but I have grown accustomed to a lower ftL than I had before. I used to use a HP screen but now I don't need it anymore, both projectors give me acceptable brightness. The LED do appear brighter than measured, and of course it has beautiful colors and great sharpness.
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The open box 1000 LED has now been sold.

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very nice, i'm sure someone is going to be enjoying it quite a bit. There is definitely a certain look that the DLP's have, especially with mix-contrast scenes.

Did the 1000 have a DC3 or a DC4? I recently updated my Planar 8130 (DC2+) to a DC4 and it looks excellent.
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The open box 1000 LED has now been sold.
Can't wait for it to arrive

Has anyone used a Darbee with this projector?
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there's only a handful of owners who post, not sure how many responses you will get. The Planar/Runco .95 UHP projectors are basically the same PQ. As sharp as they are, the darbee is still a nice addition when used in moderation. HD 30 setting is a good start.
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very nice, i'm sure someone is going to be enjoying it quite a bit. There is definitely a certain look that the DLP's have, especially with mix-contrast scenes.

Did the 1000 have a DC3 or a DC4? I recently updated my Planar 8130 (DC2+) to a DC4 and it looks excellent.
I never seen it posted anywhere about it but the Runco or the SIM 50 states it uses DC4, not sure which one, but they are supposed to be clones. If they are, I would think they should use the same parts.
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there's only a handful of owners who post, not sure how many responses you will get. The Planar/Runco .95 UHP projectors are basically the same PQ. As sharp as they are, the darbee is still a nice addition when used in moderation. HD 30 setting is a good start.
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I never seen it posted anywhere about it but the Runco or the SIM 50 states it uses DC4, not sure which one, but they are supposed to be clones. If they are, I would think they should use the same parts.

The Mico 50 (as well as the TruVue Vango) and the Runco (as well as yours and this DP model) are totally different projectors. The Mico 50 light engine is from Chi Lin and the Runco/DP light engine clones are made by Delta. I suspect most of these models to be using a DC4 DMD but there's no way to be sure unless they otherwise explicitly state it. The contrast difference between DC3 and DC4 is actually a lot less than most think.
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Can't wait for it to arrive

Has anyone used a Darbee with this projector?
Let me know if you want to add a Darbee to the order.

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Can't wait for it to arrive

Has anyone used a Darbee with this projector?
I have the same projector and use it on a 10' wide scope screen with an ISCO III. I think your going to be very happy with it. I chose it over the Sony 4K projectors.

You don't need the Darbee unit but it's a nice addition; I use one. I have it set at HD 35 most of time.
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I have the same projector and use it on a 10' wide scope screen with an ISCO III. I think your going to be very happy with it. I chose it over the Sony 4K projectors.

You don't need the Darbee unit but it's a nice addition; I use one. I have it set at HD 35 most of time.
I was debating between the same options. No worries of burning through bulbs with this unit. The 4k picture on the Sony was fantastic but the available content is so limited. The open box price was the clincher for me. I'll probably add the Oppo Darbee to further improve the image quality.
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Since the LED projectors have lower light output, would a high gain screen such as the Videomatte 200 be a good or bad idea? I'm a newbie at all of this but I would think you might have issues with hot spotting with the high gain screen. Please correct me if any of my assumptions are wrong.
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Since the LED projectors have lower light output, would a high gain screen such as the Videomatte 200 be a good or bad idea? I'm a newbie at all of this but I would think you might have issues with hot spotting with the high gain screen. Please correct me if any of my assumptions are wrong.
If you are still talking 120" or less, you do not need high gain. 1.3 gain will be plenty. If you go down to 110" as discussed, then 1.1 gain is plenty.

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Since the LED projectors have lower light output, would a high gain screen such as the Videomatte 200 be a good or bad idea? I'm a newbie at all of this but I would think you might have issues with hot spotting with the high gain screen. Please correct me if any of my assumptions are wrong.
I have a microperfed 133" diagonal Studiotek 130 with an effective gain of about 1.1. In my, albeit light-controlled room, there are plenty of lumens.

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David: Since you swapped from the Highlite Cine 260 (right?), did you say the 1000 was brighter? Or close? Measured or perceived? Of the clones I've tested, none have been anywhere near the brightness of my 260.
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David: Since you swapped from the Highlite Cine 260 (right?), did you say the 1000 was brighter? Or close? Measured or perceived? Of the clones I've tested, none have been anywhere near the brightness of my 260.
I didn't measure. But my perceived brightness seems equivalent. The issue for me is that we used it as our TV. We really racked up the hours and there was perceptible dimming. I ran it and had it calibrated in economy mode. A few months later I ran it at full power. When that began to dim, I looked for an alternative. I have to say that I'm delighted with the picture. Of course, I have a completely light- controlled room with dark grayish-green walls and ceilings. At the suggestion of my installer, I had the soffit for the drop down screen painted black.
OTOH, if we only used the projector for movies or concerts, I would have kept the 260.
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I didn't measure. But my perceived brightness seems equivalent. The issue for me is that we used it as our TV. We really racked up the hours and there was perceptible dimming. I ran it and had it calibrated in economy mode. A few months later I ran it at full power. When that began to dim, I looked for an alternative. I have to say that I'm delighted with the picture. Of course, I have a completely light- controlled room with dark grayish-green walls and ceilings. At the suggestion of my installer, I had the soffit for the drop down screen painted black.
OTOH, if we only used the projector for movies or concerts, I would have kept the 260.
Make sense?
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Yes, thanks. I watch a lot of select Tivo'd TV on mine, too. Not all TV, but my wife and I's favorite shows anyway. As a dealer I got a cherry picked 260 and I've had an extremely good experience it. It has always run in economy mode, it's still on it's first bulb and I am at 2960 hours. I keep waiting for it to fail, but it's never even missed a strike. It may have a hard stop at 3000 hours, not sure, but will know soon LOL. 2 spare bulbs to go. On my 56" tall screen, I still measure 15.9ftl from the PJ (not counting screen gain). I was at about 23ftL in economy mode to start, IIRC. I have no complaints about it's brightness, although I do like the idea of LED. I also have been happy with it's implementation of dynamic black which the LED doesn't have AFAIK.

Just haven't found one that could match the 260 in brightness and overall image, and I've tested a few, latest being a Mico 150 which was noticeably dimmer. But I have not played with a DPI 1000 yet. Focus has been a concern on some of the other units I tested. An optical engineer I work with with my A-lens stuff was using the same unit I was testing on a job. He told me that one (not a DPI1000) had the light path wide open to eek out every photon and that made it harder (not possible) for the LED units to get uniform focus (sides and middle at same time). How's yours?

Did you say your LED was a little quieter than the 260? Mine in Economy mode isn't objectionable, but a little quieter would be OK.
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The LED models do have a dynamic black function, though it works slightly different. Instead of an aperture that opens and closes to dynamically change the amount of light that leaves the projector, the LEDs dim and brighten dynamically to do the same thing the aperture does. Then, just like dynamic black, dynamic gamma gets implemented to try and alleviate brightness compression artifacts.

I bought a Runco LS-10i, which is the same unit as your highlite 260 just in a different chassis and some intellectual property changes to the software. I've heard the dynamic iris on the Runco is better implemented compared to the DP 260. I'm pretty excited. This will be my first three chip DLP unit. I should have it next week!
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