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I might have been adversarial because after I posted a simple correction (with a smiley) I got a reply with rolleyes and more incorrect info.

But you're right, I shouldn't be posting here, I clearly don't have what it takes, so thanks for giving me a reason to stop.

Why did you say that? I said exactly the opposite. I just ask you to do it with your traditional style and class.

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I might have been adversarial because after I posted a simple correction (with a smiley) I got a reply with rolleyes and more incorrect info.

But you're right, I shouldn't be posting here, I clearly don't have what it takes, so thanks for giving me a reason to stop.
Hey, that's my excuse....come up with your own.... rolleyes.gif

Keep posting, your posts are some of the most intelligent here.
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Hey, that's my excuse....come up with your own....:roll eyes:

Keep posting, your posts are some of the most intelligent here.

+1.... manni is the.... the man.. biggrin.gif

tons of great info all the time
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All right, now I have to post something or you're going to think I'm brooding in a corner smile.gif

Thanks for the support.

Seegs, please try to read Poynton's article. There is no calibration to xvYCC. It's not a fixed gamut. It's a gamut relative to rec-709, and how much information outside of rec-709 is shown depends on the capabilities of the display. Even if the gamut switches to x.v.color, there can be little or no difference if the display cannot display a wider gamut than rec-709. This is the case, for example, on the 500Es which does switch to x.v.color when a Min4K bluray is played from a compatible source, but which is unable to display a significantly wider gamut than rec-709.

The new JVCs support x.v.color in a way that they didn't use to formerly, as it's listed as one of the new features for the 2014 range.



It might be because until Sony launched the Min4K range of blurays, x.v.color was only used with AVCHD, as it's not part of the bluray specs.

So some hardware (older bluray players, older displays) might list x.v.color support, but that doesn't mean they can detect the gamut metadata in the Min4K blurays and switch to x.v.color when playing those blurays. It only means they can display x.v.color in AVCHD content (for example footage from consumer camcorder compatible with x.v.color).

The display has to confirm x.v.color support for the source to send x.v.color expanded gamut info. If the display doesn't confirm, the extended gamut information isn't sent and the content is displayed using rec-709.
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I might have been adversarial because after I posted a simple correction (with a smiley) I got a reply with rolleyes and more incorrect info.

But you're right, I shouldn't be posting here, I clearly don't have what it takes, so thanks for giving me a reason to stop.


Please do NOT do that! eek.gif . eek.gif . eek.gif I agree with Toe that your value to these forums is immeasurable (and very much appreciated!) and a few incorrect comments shouldn't let that stop.

If you want me to go out out and change my fav "Vote for Pedro" shirt to "… Manni" I will do that! biggrin.gif

(FWIW - I think Dylan just meant the cover being touted as a "feature" was a bit ridiculous!)

I can't speak for my crotchedy old friend being a Dbag today (but I still love him!) biggrin.gif
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+1.... manni is the.... the man.. biggrin.gif

tons of great info all the time

Man-eee… Man-eee… Man-eee... (Mark will understand being a BoSox fan!) tongue.gif .wink.gif

Thanks for the updated Facebook picture Mark!!



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Do the JVCs do xvYcc?

Yes it does Mark but when engaged everything else gets grayed out (kind of like THX mode).
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If I recall correctly (perhaps not) the handpicked components for the JVC Flagship models is really only handpicked LCoS display chips.

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Shows how much you know Ron… the slide cover is also hand picked just for the Flagships!

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Well I lost another bet. Manni held out for 25 minutes. I bet Kevin he wouldn't last 15 minutes. smile.gif Joerod usually lasts a day. smile.gif

Toe? WTF? Read my first post. I did not criticize Manni for posting or disagree with his statements. Manni knows exactly what I was trying to say. He and I are friends and have communicated by PM. I have noticed some lack of patience with others recently and I was bitch slapping him into being nice. Even with your post crushing my abilities and contributions, Toe, I would not attack or treat you less than nicely. weeze friends too.
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Well I lost another bet. Manni held out for 25 minutes. I bet Kevin he wouldn't last 15 minutes. smile.gif Joerod usually lasts a day. smile.gif

Toe? WTF? Read my first post. I did not criticize Manni for posting or disagree with his statements. Manni knows exactly what I was trying to say. He and I are friends and have communicated by PM. I have noticed some lack of patience with others recently and I was bitch slapping him into being nice. Even with your post crushing my abilities and contributions, Toe, I would not attack or treat you less than nicely. weeze friends too.

Sorry Mark, I meant no harm. Of course your contributions and wealth of knowledge are invaluable and very much appreciated as well, and I did not mean to imply they were not. All I meant was if anyone is to get on Manni for coming off a bit firm, it should not be you (or me for that matter!) since you can come off a bit rough at times as well (so can I) in some of your posts. That's all. I certainly did not mean to "attack" you though since we are friends here, so sorry if it came off that way as that was not my intention. Was just giving you some $hit. smile.gif


EDIT: I just hope we can still be friends when the Broncos beat the Patriots tom....... biggrin.gif

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Of course none of us want Manni (or anyone else for that matter) to stop posting. We're all wrong from time to time. The internet can be a scary place for those who aren't experts in a particular field. You often will find that what you post to be incorrect and many times when finding out why you're incorrect means receiving a rude comment on why. This forum doesn't seem to be too bad with that and I don't believe Manni was acting that way. I misheard about the second tier JVC projectors receiving lesser graded parts. I conceded on that front. That is kind of a sad thought, though, that you're spending many thousands more for a product that uses the vast majority of parts that the cheaper model has and you don't get some additional special treatment to make sure those parts are at least closer to spec than the parts going into the model costing thousands less. They want you to spend even more for that. It is what it is I guess.
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Well I lost another bet. Manni held out for 25 minutes. I bet Kevin he wouldn't last 15 minutes. smile.gif Joerod usually lasts a day. smile.gif

Toe? WTF? Read my first post. I did not criticize Manni for posting or disagree with his statements. Manni knows exactly what I was trying to say. He and I are friends and have communicated by PM. I have noticed some lack of patience with others recently and I was bitch slapping him into being nice. Even with your post crushing my abilities and contributions, Toe, I would not attack or treat you less than nicely. weeze friends too.

Maybe not even 15 old man! biggrin.gif

Wow not even a comment on your new FB pic… (I thought that was pretty funny… just trying to help lighten the mood). I apologize, cause we all know this is your real one…



Oh come on… Now that's funny stuff!

Oh yeah Mark… how's to foot doing… (well enough to wanna kick me where the sun don't shine!)? wink.gif

As very well said… weez all friends here! smile.gif
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"EDIT: I just hope we can still be friends when the Broncos beat the Patriots tom....... biggrin.gif[/quote]



We shall see about that.

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Mah foot It ezz all healed.

I am mildly amused about a simple comment to a friend causing a ruckus here. All I did was ask my friend to be nice and it results in I am outa here and then a lot of please don'ts Sort of like a bunch of teenage girls in the valley. Then we get a group hug. Next thing I know, Manning will be at our doors delivering a Papa John's pizza.

Toe. Calm down about visualizing the young girls. Try shooting for a college freshman or sophomore.

BTW Manni. A very nice post explaining xvYcc. I figure I will buy the new Sony top of the line bluray player (something like $179 MSRP) and set my 1000ES to xvYcc and get a MI4K and play it that way and then with the xvYcc stuff shut off and see if I can see any differences. I am betting I won't.
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That is kind of a sad thought, though, that you're spending many thousands more for a product that uses the vast majority of parts that the cheaper model has and you don't get some additional special treatment to make sure those parts are at least closer to spec than the parts going into the model costing thousands less..
There are 2 sides to that coin. Sad if you spend the extra and happy if you don't spend the extra that you didn't get parts that had been separated out into a lot of inferior parts. smile.gif

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Is the bulb aperture only to dim the image but not increase the actual (not dynamic) contrast?
I tried to explain here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1486011/new-range-jvc-2014/3300#post_24218406

why I think a dual aperture system can increase native contrast ratio better than just a lens iris, for the same light loss. It depends on what is causing the raised black level though.

In this case I think measurements support that the 2nd iris can help the native on/off CR (which I consider the on/off CR for keeping the iris(es) in one position).

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So are the JVC RS57 fixed? No more switching issues or zooming issues?

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after the update, it was fine switching between my 3 sources, Samsung BD 3D player, Mede8ter network player and my HTPC (using the Nvidia 780 GTX Ti)

it takes a little longer to switch modes than some of my other projectors but it never locked up going from 24 -> 60 > 24FP, etc.
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I tried to explain here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1486011/new-range-jvc-2014/3300#post_24218406

why I think a dual aperture system can increase native contrast ratio better than just a lens iris, for the same light loss. It depends on what is causing the raised black level though.

In this case I think measurements support that the 2nd iris can help the native on/off CR (which I consider the on/off CR for keeping the iris(es) in one position).

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Thanks Darin.

Has anyone compared the contrast between the jvc's side by side?
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So are the JVC RS57 fixed? No more switching issues or zooming issues?

What "zooming issues"?__

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I am mildly amused about a simple comment to a friend causing a ruckus here. All I did was ask my friend to be nice and it results in I am outa here and then a lot of please don'ts Sort of like a bunch of teenage girls in the valley. Then we get a group hug. Next thing I know, Manning will be at our doors delivering a Papa John's pizza.

Toe. Calm down about visualizing the young girls. Try shooting for a college freshman or sophomore.

BTW Manni. A very nice post explaining xvYcc. I figure I will buy the new Sony top of the line bluray player (something like $179 MSRP) and set my 1000ES to xvYcc and get a MI4K and play it that way and then with the xvYcc stuff shut off and see if I can see any differences. I am betting I won't.

What??? You figured out the 1000ES can play blu rays and not just DVDs and 720p cable tv?
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The biggest thing the low end doesn't get is the extra aperture in front of the lamp, This is important for extra black level and contrast

Only makes a difference if you use it, will not matter to those going for max brightness.

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...it takes a little longer to switch modes than some of my other projectors...

Are we talking like a second longer, or like several seconds longer? Thanks.
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This would be a real deal breaker for me. Two seconds longer than brands X, Y, and Z to change modes. How could they? What were they thinking? Snzz Snzz smile.gif

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I don't know if this review has been referred to before in the JVC threads. Here it is anyway. 3D still seems to be a problem in 2014. Just click on the JVC image when it appears on the right to read the review.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.projection-homecinema.fr%2F2013%2F09%2F05%2Flg-pf80g-dlp-full-hd-full-led-1299-euros%2F
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If you would have gone over to the x700 thread you would have seen this review by Kraine was talked about exensively. The 3D is much improved over the RS55 and at least on-par with last years model (but a tad brighter and CMD mode greatly helps motion/judder to those sensitive to it… so possibly even better than last years model).

Average that with all the other improvements discussed (discounting whatever Kraine's issue were this year with his test gear & poor room conditions of course), and compare that to others from a price/performance perspective and I believe (if you're asking/wondering/considering), the clear consensus here is JVC has a winner on their hands this year! wink.gif

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A huge winner means they are going to see a lot more of them this year than last.

Of course you might mean that the JVC this year obliterates all competitive choices.


The problem I suspect is the market for projectors is declining and will continue to decline as panels get bigger and cheaper.

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The JVCs would have been a bit more attractive if they would support HDCP 2.2 / HDMI 2 to be a bit more future proof... Especially with BD 4k around the corner.. Duno if these disc or future 4k content will support both HDCP versions or just 2.2...

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