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Get some screen samples from Seymour AV, Falcon, and then some more expensive options too, if you like. Hang them up from the distance you are considering, with a projector on, and see if the weave is noticable or distracting, and select the brightest one with acceptable weave.

I think you will be challenged to get reference brightness, when the bulb is not fresh or if you don't want to run in high lamp mode, but you may find it acceptable -- and not mind swapping bulbs more frequently.

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XD is what he is considering and it is unity gain.

Good choice at that distance and size as long as the weave is not distracting.

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Generally, 12-14ftL is ideal, but myself, I like 16-18ftL with movies. With sports, its different. Many like theirs with the lights on, so you would need more ftLs. Usually between 20-30ftL. I still use 16-18ftL because my room is light control and I rarely have my lights on still. So, with a 130 wide screen, you basically need 815 lumens and 950 lumens for 14ftL. Which is possible with the RS49.
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Generally, 12-14ftL is ideal, but myself, I like 16-18ftL with movies. With sports, its different. Many like theirs with the lights on, so you would need more ftLs. Usually between 20-30ftL. I still use 16-18ftL because my room is light control and I rarely have my lights on still. So, with a 130 wide screen, you basically need 815 lumens and 950 lumens for 14ftL. Which is possible with the RS49.

I prefer 16 - 18 foot lamberts usually, too. One must make careful screen size and material selections to get that kind of brightness.

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Get some screen samples from Seymour AV, Falcon, and then some more expensive options too, if you like. Hang them up from the distance you are considering, with a projector on, and see if the weave is noticable or distracting, and select the brightest one with acceptable weave.

I think you will be challenged to get reference brightness, when the bulb is not fresh or if you don't want to run in high lamp mode, but you may find it acceptable -- and not mind swapping bulbs more frequently.

What is Reference brightness? 14 or 16 fLs?

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What is Reference brightness? 14 or 16 fLs?

It depends on what standards you read. Most consider 16 ftL the ideal brightness for home theater. Or at least that's the minimum brightness one should try to get.
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Get some screen samples from Seymour AV, Falcon, and then some more expensive options too, if you like. Hang them up from the distance you are considering, with a projector on, and see if the weave is noticable or distracting, and select the brightest one with acceptable weave.

I think you will be challenged to get reference brightness, when the bulb is not fresh or if you don't want to run in high lamp mode, but you may find it acceptable -- and not mind swapping bulbs more frequently.

Thanks Nathan. I have samples from both Seymour and Falcon. But I don't have a projector to test them with. Except an old slide projector.....maybe that would at least give me an idea of brightness and visible texture.

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That's better than nothing. Falcon will have less visible texture but also less gain. You may have to choose your poison smile.gif

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Is there a way to adjust the Orange color in the JVC CMS?
I mean, do I need a specific pattern or calibration disc? has anybody tried adjusting the orange color using the CMS? how did you do it and what did it improve?

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Hi, I have received my JVC projector. Well kinda. It is a DreamVision Yunzi +3 Limited edition. Based on the JVC X900.

I got it fired up last night and was very pleased with the results.

I'm using two Oppo BDP-103D's outputting 2Kx4K into a Marantz SR7008 then to the projector.

All worked well however I didn't like the THX mode. Gamma was a bit high and shadow detail wasn't great. Has anyone got some quick pointers on what Colour modes to use?

I live in New Zealand so I don't have anyone here who can calibrate. It is all up to me.

I checked my firmware I have r1211.1 PS ODOCOE. It was manufactured last week out of France.

I didn't experience any HDMI issues.

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There are other preset gamma options that you can choose. Try some of those out. If all else fails, the JVCs do have a built in custom gamma curve creator that you can utilize. I'm assuming this is the case with the DreamVision as well. For that though, you'll need a meter for the best results.

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Is there a way to adjust the Orange color in the JVC CMS?
I mean, do I need a specific pattern or calibration disc? has anybody tried adjusting the orange color using the CMS? how did you do it and what did it improve?

So long as your primary and secondary colors are properly calibrated, orange should take care of itself.

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Hi, I have received my JVC projector. Well kinda. It is a DreamVision Yunzi +3 Limited edition. Based on the JVC X900.

I got it fired up last night and was very pleased with the results.

I'm using two Oppo BDP-103D's outputting 2Kx4K into a Marantz SR7008 then to the projector.

All worked well however I didn't like the THX mode. Gamma was a bit high and shadow detail wasn't great. Has anyone got some quick pointers on what Colour modes to use?

I live in New Zealand so I don't have anyone here who can calibrate. It is all up to me.

I checked my firmware I have r1211.1 PS ODOCOE. It was manufactured last week out of France.

I didn't experience any HDMI issues.

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Wow! it looks like queen Amidala spaceship from Star Wars!
For calibration (RS57) I bought Chromapure software and an EyeOne Display Pro probe. I did it myself, but there was a learning curve...
Im my case, the best OOTB settings were:

colortemp 6000k (some say 6500k is better OOTB, but in my case it was way too blue)
gamma 2.5 (it gives me a real measured gamma of 2.22) (anything below the 2.5 setting led to a measured gamma curve below 2.1 in my setup)
colorprofile standard
Autoiris at auto2 (auto1 seems to crush blacks a bit)
Manual iris depends on your setup, the more you close it, the more contrast you get, but brightness decreases also...)
colorspace auto
clear black low (you might prefer high)
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Wow! it looks like queen Amidala spaceship from Star Wars!
For calibration (RS57) I bought Chromapure software and an EyeOne Display Pro probe. I did it myself, but there was a learning curve...
Im my case, the best OOTB settings were:

colortemp 6000k (some say 6500k is better OOTB, but in my case it was way too blue)
gamma 2.5 (it gives me a real measured gamma of 2.22) (anything below the 2.5 setting led to a measured gamma curve below 2.1 in my setup)
colorprofile standard
Autoiris at auto2 (auto1 seems to crush blacks a bit)
Manual iris depends on your setup, the more you close it, the more contrast you get, but brightness decreases also...)
colorspace auto
clear black low (you might prefer high)

Yeah my boys think it looks like that spaceship as well. smile.gif
It certainly is a show piece. Exactly why I got it. I like things a bit different.

Thanks for those setting. Especially the Gamma. I will be sure to load those in and take a look.

I think I might eventually have to bite the bullet and learn about calibration software. I'm kinda by myself out here.
Not many Kiwi's (New Zealand) into HT. rolleyes.gif
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Ah, nothing quite like a bright, shiny object as the centerpiece of a room you're trying to keep pitch black. wink.gif. All that chrome is going to negate the impact of the high native contrast ratio you paid so much money for! Is the projector in a multi-purpose room or a dedicated theater?

It's certainly unique looking, I'll give you that.
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Ah, nothing quite like a bright, shiny object as the centerpiece of a room you're trying to keep pitch black. wink.gif. All that chrome is going to negate the impact of the high native contrast ratio you paid so much money for! Is the projector in a multi-purpose room or a dedicated theater?

It's certainly unique looking, I'll give you that.

It is a proper blacked out HT. It is not in the center.

Links here with extra pics:

http://www.blu-ray.com/community/gallery.php?member=Badas

Old gear. Still the same room.

http://www.blu-ray.com/community/gallery.php?member=Badas&folderid=1156

Hardly anything is reflecting off the projector. It is way back on the back wall.

I am getting amazing contrast of it. Best I have ever seen.
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Nice equipment you've got!
I have the same buttkickers...I cant believe you need three to be satisfied...I am using one per row, and it definitely shakes too much (to my taste) when I turn the buttkicker amp volume past 30%...

Back on topic, the shiny look of your projector probably doest change the contrast you percieve since there is already much light coloured reflection surfaces in your HT. Still, the contrast seems good, clearly showing the strength ot those JVCs.

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Nice equipment you've got!
I have the same buttkickers...I cant believe you need three to be satisfied...I am using one per row, and it definitely shakes too much (to my taste) when I turn the buttkicker amp volume past 30%...

Back on topic, the shiny look of your projector probably doest change the contrast you percieve since there is already much light coloured reflection surfaces in your HT. Still, the contrast seems good, clearly showing the strength ot those JVCs.

Thanks,

I love my 3 buttkickers. I like my teeth to rattle when something explodes. I wish I could fit a fourth. Actually have two extras as spares. rolleyes.gif

With light reflection. My front wall and ceiling are painted double dark matt black. Very little reflection. Sides have posters and things which could reflect. Projector is on back wall 5 meters back. I checked in the weekend. Hardly any reflection.

I'm getting one hell of a contrast out of this beast.

Using hide button it is taking my eyes at least 10 seconds to see the screen frame. Even then it is so dark. Really impressed with this years black and white uniformity. White is also very bright.

Running manual Iris -9, Auto 2. I haven't spotted iris pumping on any film yet. I can see pumping in rolling credits. Not that I care the film is finished by then. I kinda prefer it to show me iris is working. smile.gif
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I love my 3 buttkickers. I like my teeth to rattle when something explodes. I wish I could fit a fourth. Actually have two extras as spares. rolleyes.gif

With light reflection. My front wall and ceiling are painted double dark matt black. Very little reflection. Sides have posters and things which could reflect. Projector is on back wall 5 meters back. I checked in the weekend. Hardly any reflection.

I'm getting one hell of a contrast out of this beast.

Using hide button it is taking my eyes at least 10 seconds to see the screen frame. Even then it is so dark. Really impressed with this years black and white uniformity. White is also very bright.

Running manual Iris -9, Auto 2. I haven't spotted iris pumping on any film yet. I can see pumping in rolling credits. Not that I care the film is finished by then. I kinda prefer it to show me iris is working. smile.gif

If I didn't see the iris working with the credits, I would think its broke. So, I prefer to see it with the credits too.
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On 3D I have a few questions.

I notice when you first start the projector the crosstalk is bad.

Does it need some warm up time?

A few years ago they were talking that the JVC's 3D get worse overtime. Is that still happening?

I don't know if this helps anyone. I was getting flicker in bright scenes. CMD on high fixed it very well.
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Ah, nothing quite like a bright, shiny object as the centerpiece of a room you're trying to keep pitch black. wink.gif. All that chrome is going to negate the impact of the high native contrast ratio you paid so much money for! Is the projector in a multi-purpose room or a dedicated theater?

It's certainly unique looking, I'll give you that.

Here is some contrast screenshots I'm getting. Absolutely spectacular.

This is of The Art of the Steal. These are paintings in a boot of a car.
It is not exciting but shows the leap between black and white with a little colour thrown in.

First one. Shot taken from back of the room. Note the Oppo pause symbol. Nothing is altered and the photo appeared to be the same as what I view. look at the black floor level. Black is black. The felt edge to my screen is in that photo somewhere.



Second one. Shot taken very close to screen. A closer shot.



It is interesting. I decided to watch a few movies with e-shift off. This years JVC pixel structure is so invisible. At 1:1 screen width I didn't notice pixels at all.

E-shift does do a nice job of smoothing those jaggies from edges. Softens it a bit. Subtitles for example look real nice, not computer looking. Still most would be happy with the cheaper JVC projectors that don't have it.
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If you ever get some calibration software and equipment then I'd recommend setting your gamma to 2.4. The image IMO is richer and has more perceived depth with a gamma at that level than something like 2.2. These projectors can handle a 2.4 gamma as can your blacked out room.

Oh and that case looks badass!

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Does anyone use the 12V trigger out on there JVC, I have a wireless 12V trigger for my screen but can't seem to get it to work with the JVC X700...
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It depends on what standards you read. Most consider 16 ftL the ideal brightness for home theater. Or at least that's the minimum brightness one should try to get.
FWIW, I wouldn't consider 16 a minimum at all. It really depends on the room.

In the various guides I've written I typically tell people to aim for somewhere between 12-16 ftL for projectors, with 14 ftL being a good target if you're not sure.

I do about 12 myself but my room's dark with black felt-like material surrounding most of the screen and dark walls, no light from windows. I find 16 ftL to be too bight.

The target for direct view sets (CRT tube, Plasma, rear projection, flat panel, etc.) will be a lot higher, typically somewhere in the 30-40 ftL range is a good place to starts.

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It depends on what standards you read. Most consider 16 ftL the ideal brightness for home theater. Or at least that's the minimum brightness one should try to get.

Find me anything that shows the standard for home theater brightness being 16 fL. I love how this number has become a massive moving target. Early on it was 10-12 fL then 14fL now "most" consider it 16 fL? Yikes. Do you know how many projectors could light up screens to these types of levels just a few years ago?

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I think it's purely a preferential matter.

AlI know is from my experience, in a batcave, the larger the screen and the closer you sit to it, the lower the brightness required before eye strain sets in.

I also think perhaps people with darker eyes can tolerate more light than people with lighter eye color (like myself).

I sit around 10 feet or a bit more back from my 2:35 108" wide screen and right now I'm at 11.2 ftL which seems really nice and pleasant...I could probably go to around 12 ftL if I wanted. I was at 13.6 ftL, but found that too bright.

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Find me anything that shows the standard for home theater brightness being 16 fL. I love how this number has become a massive moving target. Early on it was 10-12 fL then 14fL now "most" consider it 16 fL? Yikes. Do you know how many projectors could light up screens to these types of levels just a few years ago?

The THX standard is 16 and the SMPTE standard is 14 plus or minus 3 foot lamberts. I think with 3D even higher numbers should be the standard.

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And the ISF says 12-14 fL when I went. I think these are loose standards at best or more like recommendations. The ONLY standard that actually maters is the mastering target as that will directly impact your perception of color, and I bet you'd find that most mastering houses use a variety of different displays all with a different measured brightness. Ultimately this comes down to user preference unless a clear standard comes about. The fact that REC709 doesn't have a luminance standard is puzzling since color brightness differences will make images look completely different.

But again, since I started writing for the industry over 10 years ago I've heard the standard for recommended brightness change constantly. And most of the numbers spouted now are levels that weren't even achievable on a large screen without massive 3-chip light canons until very recently.

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The fact that REC709 doesn't have a luminance standard is puzzling since color brightness differences will make images look completely different.

So true. There have been times where I had my display re-calibrated to a higher or lower gamma and that can dramatically change the way colors look.

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