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Ya, the best projector demos at Cedia were on ST 130 G3 screens. Lots of other screens had irritating sheen and texture - and I took notes on which ones they were. I rarely see any artifacts on mine - even with my blazing foot lamberts.

I was surprised how clean the Stewart Ultramatt 1.5 gain screen looked with the RS67 though - it worked quite well with that projector. smile.gif

Is the Ultramatt 1.5 available with microperf?

Between you and MIke, maybe you can help me get a handle on something. Looking at Projectorcentral's projection calculator, when looking at a 21.5' throw to a 118" 16:9 screen (to ultimately be 11' wide with anamorphic lens) and comparing the JVC's and Sony 1000ES, it shows the JVC as substantially brighter, in the order of 20fl to 15fl.

Does this sound like reality, or does the projection calculator just have bad numbers when it comes to the JVC's? While the 1000ES is out of my range, I might consider reaching for the 600ES, but my assumption had been that in addition to the 4k, it would be brighter than the JVC's, but based on the numbers of the RS56 and other JVC's vs. 1000ES on projectorcentral, I'm not so sure anymore.
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Does this sound like reality, or does the projection calculator just have bad numbers when it comes to the JVC's? While the 1000ES is out of my range, I might consider reaching for the 600ES, but my assumption had been that in addition to the 4k, it would be brighter than the JVC's, but based on the numbers of the RS56 and other JVC's vs. 1000ES on projectorcentral, I'm not so sure anymore.

Don't use the brighness / lumen numbers on that calculator - they are based on manufacturer's spec's - not real calibrated lumens. The screen size / throw range numbers are ok.
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Looking at Projectorcentral's projection calculator, when looking at a 21.5' throw to a 118" 16:9 screen (to ultimately be 11' wide with anamorphic lens) and comparing the JVC's and Sony 1000ES, it shows the JVC as substantially brighter, in the order of 20fl to 15fl.

That's opposite of what I saw at Cedia, by a large margin.

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Is the Ultramatt 1.5 available with microperf?

Yes.

http://www.stewartfilmscreen.com/residential/materials/front_projection_screen_materials/ultramatte_150/ultramatte_150_residential.html

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Ultramatte 150 is a very good screen, very similar in picture quality to Studeotec 130 but with higher gain. You do have to use a longer throw to avoid hot spotting but that's about the only down side.

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Ultramatte 150 is a very good screen, very similar in picture quality to Studeotec 130 but with higher gain. You do have to use a longer throw to avoid hot spotting but that's about the only down side.

So I guess this is another attribute of the HP that will keep me with it for the foreseeable future: it doesn't hotspot, even at the shortest throw of the 1000 (which I need).
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Is the Ultramatt 1.5 available with microperf?

Between you and MIke, maybe you can help me get a handle on something. Looking at Projectorcentral's projection calculator, when looking at a 21.5' throw to a 118" 16:9 screen (to ultimately be 11' wide with anamorphic lens) and comparing the JVC's and Sony 1000ES, it shows the JVC as substantially brighter, in the order of 20fl to 15fl.

Does this sound like reality, or does the projection calculator just have bad numbers when it comes to the JVC's? While the 1000ES is out of my range, I might consider reaching for the 600ES, but my assumption had been that in addition to the 4k, it would be brighter than the JVC's, but based on the numbers of the RS56 and other JVC's vs. 1000ES on projectorcentral, I'm not so sure anymore.

What is the gain of the screen or are you asking about Ultramatte 150 microperf?

If using microperf Ultramatte 150, I agree with those numbers for the JVC, which are pretty good numbers. The Sony would be brighter. I would guess about 18/19 low and 28/29 high lamp.

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What is the gain of the screen or are you asking about Ultramatte 150 microperf?

Either. My thinking had been Studiotek 130 , but with the comment about the ultra Matt 1.5, that sounds like a possible option.

Looking at 11' wide anamorphic with about a 21.5' throw.

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Noah.You are being ridiculous. A lens aperture is an iris.

Seriously? You're giving JVC a hard time for using a flowery but perfectly accurate description, when most every mfgr uses totally meaningless descriptors for their technologies?

Or are you miffed that I called you on your inapt elephant vs. donkey comparison?

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I am cutting them an immense amount of slack. Do you mean inapt or inept, or both? I don't remember elephant compared to donkey but maybe I did. If you want to get technical, smart would be more appropriate than intelligent. Then when its improved next year we can rename this year's as not so smart. And YOU can't use the same initials for different things. The already use ILA for their panels. D-ILA. And now they want to use ILA for something else as well. People like you(not you of course) will get hopelessly confused. I am doing preventative work to avoid confusion and use less letters with nom possibility of confusion and you keep calling me out.
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I'm on the preorder list for the RS57.

Regardless of the performance of the intelligent dynamic lens aperture iris, I'm looking forward to the significant jump in native contrast coming from the RS4810.
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I'm on the preorder list for the RS57.

Regardless of the performance of the intelligent dynamic lens aperture iris, I'm looking forward to the significant jump in native contrast coming from the RS4810.

Great choice, IMO.
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Folks,

When do you think we'll start getting owner and reviewer reports on these new JVCs? It's usually around November, isn't it?

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JVC still not true 4K and no HDMi 2.0 :(

 

I guess I will just have to wait an other year as I don't want to pony up $15Gs for the Sony!


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Do you mean inapt or inept, or both?

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... Its obviously a problem for let's call them old dogs at JVC to call an elephant a donkey merely because of marketing politics.
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I'm on the preorder list for the RS57.

Regardless of the performance of the intelligent dynamic lens aperture iris, I'm looking forward to the significant jump in native contrast coming from the RS4810.

Be aware that the full amount of CR improvement is only available if you can afford to sacrifice significant brightness and close down the apertures.

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Be aware that the full amount of CR improvement is only available if you can afford to sacrifice significant brightness and close down the apertures.

Right, but the screen, throw, and room is a constant. I'm not expecting to get the full 120,000:1 contrast from the RS57 just as I'm not getting the full 50,000:1 contrast from the RS4810. But I am hoping to notice an improvement going to a projector with the potential for over twice the contrast ratio with everything else being equal.

That's before considering any improvement from the dynamic aperture. Here's hoping its a decent implementation.

Regardless, I'm my current setup I'm using a 106" screen at relatively short throw, so brightness isn't much of a problem and I can pretty much close the iris down.
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Now I'm just waiting for an email from Mike or Craig to ask me whether I want the RS-57 or RS-4910 as I signed up for both preorders.

I want the RS-57!!

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So the new JVC's are going to be HDMI 1.4.

Inputs: (2) HDMI 1.4a*
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*60p 4K signals at 4:2:0 may be input and displayed via HDMI 1.4a connection.

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So the new JVC's are going to be HDMI 1.4.

Inputs: (2) HDMI 1.4a*
LAN connection for system control and firmware updates
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*60p 4K signals at 4:2:0 may be input and displayed via HDMI 1.4a connection.

In talking to the JVC reps at CEDIA it appears the new JVC projectors have HDMI inputs that have been certified for HDMI 1.4 but in fact support some of the functionality of HDMI 2.0.

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In talking to the JVC reps at CEDIA it appears the new JVC projectors have HDMI inputs that have been certified for HDMI 1.4 but in fact support some of the functionality of HDMI 2.0.

I'm just worried that if I buy a new JVC this fall that if/when 4k bluray comes out and it has HDCP 2.2 that while the JVC's HDMI will take the 2160p@24fps signal but the HDCP 2.2 won't let the signal be displayed.

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In talking to the JVC reps at CEDIA it appears the new JVC projectors have HDMI inputs that have been certified for HDMI 1.4 but in fact support some of the functionality of HDMI 2.0.

Thats good to know. Still wish for 3D, eshift could be used
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Maybe this bears repeating, or maybe not but I will anyway.

There is nothing wrong with buying a new JVC projector.....I'm sure they're great....but, at this point in time one should not expect these projectors to work with UHD Blurays. That may eventually change but given what we know at the moment these new JVCs do not appear to be compatible with UHD Bluray.

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I'm just worried that if I buy a new JVC this fall that if/when 4k bluray comes out and it has HDCP 2.2 that while the JVC's HDMI will take the 2160p@24fps signal but the HDCP 2.2 won't let the signal be displayed.

Since 4k blu rays are over a year away, I would worry too much about that. But hopefully some other 4k content can be displayed. Maybe more mastered in 4k blu rays can help with the wait. If they make more movies like Oblivion, then the wait won't seem as bad
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So nothing in the specs about the auto calibration anymore?
It was mentioned that it would now also be available on all PJ's in the range (except for last year's RS46), but I don't see it listed in any of the specs.
Can anyone enlighten me on how this would work anyway? Is there a sensor delivered with the PJ's? What were the experiences with last year's top range JVC's that had auto calibration?

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I'm just worried that if I buy a new JVC this fall that if/when 4k bluray comes out and it has HDCP 2.2 that while the JVC's HDMI will take the 2160p@24fps signal but the HDCP 2.2 won't let the signal be displayed.

I was looking at the RS67, but i agree. I'd rather get slightly worse blacks and true 4K, so i decided on the Sony. Still, i'd love to get the native blacks of the higher end JVCs, but i'd rather have the upscaling of the vw1000ES, and the option to view some TRUE 4K, as long as HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 is good enough for whatever 4K blu ray ends up being.
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I'm just worried that if I buy a new JVC this fall that if/when 4k bluray comes out and it has HDCP 2.2 that while the JVC's HDMI will take the 2160p@24fps signal but the HDCP 2.2 won't let the signal be displayed.

I agree that the lack of support for the latest version of HDCP (i.e., ver. 2.2) is a real concern as it may be required for compatibility with Blu-ray 4K. Also this cannot be 'fixed' via a firmware update as it is implemented in hardware and it is unlikely that JVC will over an upgrade path.

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Since 4k blu rays are over a year away, I would worry too much about that. But hopefully some other 4k content can be displayed. Maybe more mastered in 4k blu rays can help with the wait. If they make more movies like Oblivion, then the wait won't seem as bad

You are right and I am one to hold onto a projector for 2-3 years but I may buy a RS57 this year and then sell this time next year to get a 4k JVC or Sony.

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