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...I hope they covered each lens better than this... blue painters tape? biggrin.gif

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Here's a quick look at the new JVCs by Trusted Reviews. Maybe this has been linked before on this thread?

http://www.trustedreviews.com/jvc-dla-x700r_Projector_review

Here's a taste:

"While the room conditions prevented us from being able to appreciate the full black level potential of the X700R (and to fully appreciate any difference in contrast terms between it and the X900R), the contrast range of JVC's new projector still looked exceptional and crucially some way beyond the contrast abilities of the Sony VW500ES. Not least because the advances in black level afforded by JVC’s new dynamic iris system are joined by extra brightness achieved by new efficiencies in the X700R's light path process and JVC reducing by a huge 40% the spacing between the pixels of its latest D-ILA chips."
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Deja vu... Old news smile.gif
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Deja vu... Old news smile.gif

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Seriously, I cant wait to get mine. The last PJ I saw in action was the Sony vw-50 or something like that. It was years ago, no DI, no 1080p...I am expecting to be flabergasted by my new jvc!

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Well, after reading through this thread, I am thinking my next pj will likely be an RS57. I'll be upgrading from my RS2 (Gah! Only this week realized I have had it since September 2008! It still works very nicely too - calibrated with Lumagen by Tom Huffman all those many years ago..)

I have been making a list of the differentials for the two units, and have a couple of questions there (Yes, this is a slightly obsessive exercise, fraught with many dangers of non-comparability, but it's been fun making up the chart so far!):

Was a chip generation number published for the RS2? (I am thinking it might not be the 1st gen?)
Similarly, is the wiregrid generation known? Thinking the RS2 might be at version 1 here, since the RS2 brochure mentions the new wire grid but not a generation/version number).

Is the pixel gap for the RS2 Chip known someplace still online (Haven't found it so far)

The RS2 brochure states that the unit puts out 600 lumens. Have there been any differences in the way JVC establishes the lumen spec in the interim that would contradict that on the face of it, the RS57 is now over twice as bright?

Another question - has JVC listed the MSRP for the new RF 3D glasses?

Many thanks in advance for perhaps remedial level questions.

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[ETA to add the pixel gap question and correct a cupla typos]
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Back in the RS2 days JVC used to publish lumens for when calibrated to D65. Starting with the RS40-50-60 series their published lumens are the max. possible in any possible mode (the same approached used my just about all other projector manufacturers). When calibrated the new projectors will probably provide around 900 lumens maximum (high lamp mode, max. zoom with iris fully open), or perhaps 50% higher than your RS2 could do under similar conditions.

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Thank you Ron,
That helps give me an idea of the relative impact of the change, especially since closing down the iris(es) is important for the CR in these projectors.
And I'll need to move up in the screen department too - Currently on an intentionally interim Dalite Model C with 1.1 gain 106" diagonal screen.
The interim choice was due to getting something up and running after a relocation, before the theater room could be finished..
The room colors are dark, but not black so some gain and resulting ambient rejection will help matters.
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Price for the 3D lens will be around 200$ + 80$ for the RF transmitter + whatever markup from your vendor.
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Could anyone point me to the most recent version of the IP/RS-232 guide for the JVCs? The one I have is two years old (I got it when I got my rs45) and I can't find a more recent version (I'm aware that the one for the new models has not been released yet, just hoping there might be one which includes last year's models).
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Price for the 3D lens will be around 200$ + 80$ for the RF transmitter + whatever markup from your vendor.

You mean 3D glasses, not lens I think.

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You mean 3D glasses, not lens I think.

Yup, glasses, sorry.

I finnaly found my cell phone USB cable. I apologize for the Crappy pics:

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Just a heads up for any current or future JVC owners who have not seen Only God Forgives, rent this film if you want to see what your JVC does best as far as contrast goes. cool.gif This film is LOADED with DEEP dark black backdrops with bright lights in other parts of the screen from white lights, to neon lights, to other colored type lights..........this transfer seems tailor made a lot of the time to show off awesome JVC native contrast and looked incredible on my RS45 (near max throw, low lamp and iris at -13 now up from -15 since I am near 800 hours). Great stuff and should not be missed if you own a JVC in particular!

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Just a heads up for any current or future JVC owners who have not seen Only God Forgives, rent this film if you want to see what your JVC does best as far as contrast goes. cool.gif This film is LOADED with DEEP dark black backdrops with bright lights in other parts of the screen from white lights, to neon lights, to other colored type lights..........this transfer seems tailor made a lot of the time to show off awesome JVC native contrast and looked incredible on my RS45 (near max throw, low lamp and iris at -13 now up from -15 since I am near 800 hours). Great stuff and should not be missed if you own a JVC in particular!

Thanks for the heads up.

I'd add to that: Pacific Rim, which is about as contrasty a film as you can get: tons of exaggerated neon-lit machinery and gadgets against super dark backgrounds. It will make virtually any display look like it has amazing contrast, but it's really something on my JVC.
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BTW,

Since I'm moving from the RS55 to the new RS57, is there any reason to expect the 3D to be somewhat better on the RS57? Didn't they get 3D a bit better after the RS55 series?

(I know the JVCs are not the go-to displays for 3D by far, but it would be nice to at least see some improvement).
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Could anyone point me to the most recent version of the IP/RS-232 guide for the JVCs? The one I have is two years old (I got it when I got my rs45) and I can't find a more recent version (I'm aware that the one for the new models has not been released yet, just hoping there might be one which includes last year's models).
There is not a more recent version. Gary did not update it last year.

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There is not a more recent version. Gary did not update it last year.
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Pre ordered an X500, Pacific Rim is on my list for first 10 movies. But Alien might be first, or Blade Runner.

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BTW,

Since I'm moving from the RS55 to the new RS57, is there any reason to expect the 3D to be somewhat better on the RS57? Didn't they get 3D a bit better after the RS55 series?

(I know the JVCs are not the go-to displays for 3D by far, but it would be nice to at least see some improvement).

7 picture modes for 3D (was 1 in 2013)
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Thanks for the heads up.

I'd add to that: Pacific Rim, which is about as contrasty a film as you can get: tons of exaggerated neon-lit machinery and gadgets against super dark backgrounds. It will make virtually any display look like it has amazing contrast, but it's really something on my JVC.


Agreed Rich! Pacific Rim was gorgeous! cool.gif Pacific Rim looks incredible in 3d as well, so either way you go with that one you will be impressed.
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BTW,

Since I'm moving from the RS55 to the new RS57, is there any reason to expect the 3D to be somewhat better on the RS57? Didn't they get 3D a bit better after the RS55 series?

(I know the JVCs are not the go-to displays for 3D by far, but it would be nice to at least see some improvement).

Crosstalk improved last year if you look at Zombies tests and the addition of CMD is a significant feature IMO that you might really enjoy for 3d in particular (I don't use it for 2d besides animation, but CMD for 3d is a must for me now after living with it on my BenQ). I would say you definitely have some improvements to look forward to going from your 55 to 57.
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There is not a more recent version. Gary did not update it last year.

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Thanks Geof.
I sure hope he does update it this year. It's a very useful document that, unfortunately, JVC Japan does not take ownership of. Without Gary's updates I have no idea how we learn of new (undocumented) IR commands.

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Agreed Rich! Pacific Rim was gorgeous! cool.gif Pacific Rim looks incredible in 3d as well, so either way you go with that one you will be impressed.
Crosstalk improved last year if you look at Zombies tests and the addition of CMD is a significant feature IMO that you might really enjoy for 3d in particular (I don't use it for 2d besides animation, but CMD for 3d is a must for me now after living with it on my BenQ). I would say you definitely have some improvements to look forward to going from your 55 to 57.

Thanks, that's good to hear.
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You guys should go after Service Manual (not only the IR cmds/protocol), everything is there.

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Hey guys, I have a pretty simple question that I have yet to see in this massive thread. How well does this technology project sports like Football, Basketball and Baseball? I am thinking about switching from DLP technology which tends to be more forgiving on things like that. I would love your thoughts. Thank you!

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You guys should go after Service Manual (not only the IR cmds/protocol), everything is there.

Thanks, and how do we get the service manual? smile.gif I requested it many times from JVC and never managed to get one.
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Regarding our earlier discussion on warm-up time for projectors, I finally found the document I read a long time ago. Someone posted the link in the Spectracal thread, as it's written by Darryl Bird, the head of their lab .

Here it is: http://www.spectracal.com/downloads/files/Website/Website%20Articles/Display%20Warm%20Up%20Rates%20-%20How%20Long%20is%20Enough.pdf

It confirms that 45mn before a calibration is a minimum for UHP lamps and that 60mn is the safe warm-up time if we want repeatable results.
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In Italian forum they maked an interesting shootout between JVC X700, Sony VW500ES and HW55ES. You can see it here

He also claims that all the projectors were calibrated, but he doesn't mention any specific details or any measurements.

Hello there, I'm the author of that post on the Italian forum. On my short and personal review of that event, I mentioned all the technical details I was able to gather from the demonstrator:

  • White screen with 1.2 gain and 4m base (it was a 2.35:1 - so its diagonal size in inches was 170")
  • JVC DLA RS57 projector calibrated as 6500° K, Gamma 2.2, Rec. 709, lamp set to Low, CMD switched off. With this setup the image of the calibrated JVC projector measured on the screen was 26cd
  • Source: HD Video 1080p PAL from Arca system player

Of course, I was there just to get a preview of this projector, so I couldn't possibly spend the whole day with a Lumagen, a colorimeter and a CalMAN… rolleyes.gif

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To use an analogy of painting, the JVC is a Caravaggio, while the Sony 500 a Van Gogh'

I am going to start using dead artists to compare projectors going forward. cool.gifbiggrin.gif

That wasn't the only comment I made to describe the performance of the JVC vs Sony projectors - but I believe it summed up their relative strengths anyway. If you don't know the style of the two painters I mentioned (of course I didn't choose them merely because "they're dead"), I strongly suggest to learn more about them. Caravaggio is a master of midtones and shadows, while Van Gogh is known for his very vivid and colorful paintings.

In any case, I believe I'm going to order a white X500R… It's a pity that I must wait 2014 to get it! biggrin.gif
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Hey guys, I have a pretty simple question that I have yet to see in this massive thread. How well does this technology project sports like Football, Basketball and Baseball? I am thinking about switching from DLP technology which tends to be more forgiving on things like that. I would love your thoughts. Thank you!

Jeff, I currently have an RS4810 with 2nd generation e-shift after 4 earlier JVCs ….. RS1, RS2, RS25 and RS50. Like Mark Haflich I watch predominantly sports. Every Laker game, football, baseball, boxing, etc. Bluray movies with great transfers are slam dunks of course. But with sports, IF you have a great signal on any particular game or event, they are stunning in a proper room with screen combination. Especially with a Darblet thrown into the mix. By all accouts the new 2014 machines should surpass what the entry level e-shift2 4810 can do. I had Charter cable in southern CA for many years and a year ago switched to DirectTV. So many MORE channels and events come across in a more pristine fashion. Like computers, garbage in garbage out. Though not saying lesser than pristine signals looks like garbage. But the great feeds from the cameras to the trucks to the birds to a JVC projector are spectacular. eek.gif
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Well, I have a 4910 on order. I hope it doesn't turn out to be a Monet. That would indicate bad convergence. mad.gif
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Well, I have a 4910 on order. I hope it doesn't turn out to be a Monet. That would indicate bad convergence. mad.gif

Or a Miro/Picasso, that would indicate careless shipping and a broken lens eek.giftongue.gif

This being said, I find the references from our Italian friend very pertinent once read in context, and I find his feedback makes lots of sense (I read a translation of the whole article) so thanks Nightjar smile.gif.
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I sure hope he does update it this year. It's a very useful document that, unfortunately, JVC Japan does not take ownership of. Without Gary's updates I have no idea how we learn of new (undocumented) IR commands.

I use this neat little PC app/device from Global Cache (GC-IRL), which traces your IR remote commands to use for remote apps like iRule & Roomie as well as smart IR remotes which support Hex/RS232 strings not in Gary's Bible:






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