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Like Zombie, I've been known to have 5 or 6 projectors on hand at one time.

Would you like to lend me a JVC while I wait on the 6710? I have none in hand.
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That's great, a very good start as anyone actually using lens memories will find direct/discrete commands extremely useful. (Mandatory, in my case!)

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That's great, a very good start as anyone actually using lens memories will find direct/discrete commands extremely useful. (Mandatory, in my case!)

Thank you.

Interested why you need these codes?

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Interested why you need these codes?

For programming into my universal remote control. (Forgive me if you already know this stuff but just in case...)

Without those direct hex codes integrated into a universal remote using macro commands, you have to get to the lens memory settings via using the supplied JVC remote control. As it works with the supplied remote, if you want to save or recall one of the lens memory size settings, to change the size/AR of your image, you have to click through several menu pages to get there.

Having a direct code for each lens memory position allows a universal remote to activate the lens changing with one button press.

In my situation the 10 lens memory feature of my JVC RS57 will be extra beneficial. I use an automated 4-way masking system to alter the size and aspect ratio of my screen, to many different pre-set sizes, depending on the aspect ratio of the movie, or the source quality, etc. I have about 20 pre-set image sizes for my masking. But while my masking sizes
are all executed by a single button press, until now I've had to "manually" re-zoom the image to fit the new screen shape.

By having a direct code for each of the JVC 10 lens memory pre-sets, I can easily integrate that command into the macro commands for my screen masking. So with one button push it sends out the single discrete command for "Lens Memory 3" and while the projector is re-zooming the image, the rest of the macro command changes the screen masking to the right image size. So a single button press/macro command switches both the screen masking size and projector zoom setting together.

It will be fun to have it all finally automated!
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Thank you, great explanation. All new to me so that was helpful.

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The two are different generation models so I'm assuming both will have different input lags and such a system won't work properly.

You could always just try it out. You may be pleasantly surprised...or horribly disappointed, LOL! I would try it out. Double the brightness for 3D with that JVC signature contrast would be a killer combo if it works well. cool.gif

Or maybe just call them and see what they say.

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Lens memory Hex codes:

Discrete Long Hex Codes for Lens Memory:

Lens memory 1 : 73h,D8h
0000 006D 0001 0011 0141 00A0 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 02E6

Lens memory 2 : 73h,D9h
0000 006D 0001 0011 0141 00A0 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 02BD

Lens memory 3 : 73h,DAh
0000 006D 0001 0011 0141 00A0 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 02BD

Lens memory 4 : 73h,E5h
0000 006D 0001 0011 0141 00A0 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 02BD

Lens memory 5 : 73h,E6h
0000 006D 0001 0011 0141 00A0 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 02BD

Lens memory 6 : 73h,E7h
0000 006D 0001 0011 0141 00A0 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0295

Lens memory 7 : 73h,E8h
0000 006D 0001 0011 0141 00A0 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 02E6

Lens memory 8 : 73h,E9h
0000 006D 0001 0011 0141 00A0 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 02BD

Lens memory 9 : 73h,EAh
0000 006D 0001 0011 0141 00A0 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 02BD

Lens memory 10 : 73h,EBh
0000 006D 0001 0011 0141 00A0 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0295

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Pre-ordered a 4910 from MikeG yesterday. My first projector -- can't wait!
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Your speakers are tentatively scheduled to ship on the 16th. smile.gif

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Pre-ordered a 4910 from MikeG yesterday. My first projector -- can't wait!

you're quickly going to forget about that Plasma in the living room... smile.gif
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Speakers..... AVS sells speakers as well??? Guess that's why it's "A" vs instead of just VS :-P
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Speakers..... AVS sells speakers as well??? Guess that's why it's "A" vs instead of just VS :-P

We carry a dozen different speaker lines. I have some of them listed in my signature and there is a link in my signature that tells you the brands of products we carry. smile.gif
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Excellent Mike. That's very useful!!

Here's hoping you uncover some more discrete commands!

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Lens memory Hex codes:

Discrete Long Hex Codes for Lens Memory:

Lens memory 1 : 73h,D8h
0000 006D 0001 0011 0141 00A0 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 02E6

Lens memory 2 : 73h,D9h
0000 006D 0001 0011 0141 00A0 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 02BD

Lens memory 3 : 73h,DAh
0000 006D 0001 0011 0141 00A0 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 02BD

Lens memory 4 : 73h,E5h
0000 006D 0001 0011 0141 00A0 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 02BD

Lens memory 5 : 73h,E6h
0000 006D 0001 0011 0141 00A0 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 02BD

Lens memory 6 : 73h,E7h
0000 006D 0001 0011 0141 00A0 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0295

Lens memory 7 : 73h,E8h
0000 006D 0001 0011 0141 00A0 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 02E6

Lens memory 8 : 73h,E9h
0000 006D 0001 0011 0141 00A0 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 02BD

Lens memory 9 : 73h,EAh
0000 006D 0001 0011 0141 00A0 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 02BD

Lens memory 10 : 73h,EBh
0000 006D 0001 0011 0141 00A0 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 0014 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 003C 0014 0295

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you're quickly going to forget about that Plasma in the living room... smile.gif

Well the 58" plasma is 15+ feet away, above the fireplace, in the open floor plan living room, under frequent use by the wife and toddler .. I've already forgotten about it eek.gif

Looking forward to the scope immersion and can't wait for the Gravity blu-ray release!

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Well the 58" plasma is 15+ feet away, above the fireplace, in the open floor plan living room, under frequent use by the wife and toddler .. I've already forgotten about it eek.gif

Looking forward to the scope immersion and can't wait for the Gravity blu-ray release!

This is similar to my setup so in equally as excited as you are for the projector and screen. I haven't watched certain movies just because I want to wait to watch them on the screen first instead of my plasma.

Love sports, movies, and games. Slowly some day I'll add a projector and screen. Until then, I'll build up my library.
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I just realized I need to re-evaluate the validity of my longtime plan.

I have an RS10 and a Lumagen Mimni-3D that's just been in passthrough, as I've periodically considered upgrading and saving the investment in calibration services for the next pj.

If my understanding is correct the RS10 would benefit significantly from gamma correction and color correction with a proper outboard CMS; there does seem to be something off about the colors, even after calibration by Jason Turk at purchase, which I gather is the nature of the beast.

The question is how much improvement can I expect from a calibration with the 4910?

Will user adjustments allow me to get a nice DLP-emulating gamma curve?

Will the Lumagen's 125-pt. calibration give a significant visual improvement?

I don't car about getting textbook dE numbers and don't think I'm particularly fussy about colors.

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I just realized I need to re-evaluate the validity of my longtime plan.

I have an RS10 and a Lumagen Mimni-3D that's just been in passthrough, as I've periodically considered upgrading and saving the investment in calibration services for the next pj.

If my understanding is correct the RS10 would benefit significantly from gamma correction and color correction with a proper outboard CMS; there does seem to be something off about the colors, even after calibration by Jason Turk at purchase, which I gather is the nature of the beast.

The question is how much improvement can I expect from a calibration with the 4910?

Will user adjustments allow me to get a nice DLP-emulating gamma curve?

Will the Lumagen's 125-pt. calibration give a significant visual improvement?

I don't car about getting textbook dE numbers and don't think I'm particularly fussy about colors.

The Mini 3D with 125 pt correction give me a significant visual improvement with my RS20. But even more significant than that is the 21 pt gamma curve. It makes the picture deep and very real. When sun shines through a window into a darkened room it lights the interior perfectly. I use CM's auto-cal to do both the 125pt color and 21 pt gamma. I think I'd continue to use the Mini 3D if I were to get one of these new JVC's. Get it as close as can be easily done with the JVC and then unleash the auto-cal.
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The Mini 3D with 125 pt correction give me a significant visual improvement with my RS20. But even more significant than that is the 21 pt gamma curve. It makes the picture deep and very real. When sun shines through a window into a darkened room it lights the interior perfectly.

Yes, thanks for that, that's exactly what I'm after.

However the RS20 is the same generation as the RS10, so the question remains, can more recent generations achieve that w/o external help?

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My X35 measured pretty close to rec709 when using the 'Standard' colour space, so maybe that's good enough for you? However I understand that it's not a very linear result, so while it measures OK at 75% it's some way off down at 25% for example. Just depends on how picky you are really. However, I can't understand having a Mini3D then leaving it in passthrough: what do you use it for, just upscaling?

I feel using it's 125 point CMS makes a good difference and as said above, getting the gamma spot on is IMHO more important as it brings out shadow detail and makes brighter scenes have better depth than the default sloping response that mine has when uncorrected. Sure you can use the JVC controls, but they are much more fiddly and interactive, though in your case you already have a better alternative.
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I was earlier flipping through the manual of the new JVC range and found a table stating that the X700 and X900 have color ranges such as Kodak Eastman, Fujicolor or Technicolor. Is this just a nice marketing gag or will that really give me an improved color experience? I mean these color ranges won't come calibrated and where does the projector get the additional information from which color to choose? I am asking because I am planning to get the X500 but if these additonal color spaces are something worthwhile I might spend the additional bucks to go for the X700!
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I just realized I need to re-evaluate the validity of my longtime plan.

I have an RS10 and a Lumagen Mimni-3D that's just been in passthrough, as I've periodically considered upgrading and saving the investment in calibration services for the next pj.

If my understanding is correct the RS10 would benefit significantly from gamma correction and color correction with a proper outboard CMS; there does seem to be something off about the colors, even after calibration by Jason Turk at purchase, which I gather is the nature of the beast.

The question is how much improvement can I expect from a calibration with the 4910?

Will user adjustments allow me to get a nice DLP-emulating gamma curve?

Will the Lumagen's 125-pt. calibration give a significant visual improvement?

I don't car about getting textbook dE numbers and don't think I'm particularly fussy about colors.

From my experience gamma and grayscale drift as lamp hours accrue and calibrating every 150-200 hours (RS55) really improved PQ. Calibrating gaumt may be beneficial as well but gamut does not change all that much whereas gamma and grayscale do. And, at least for me, gamma and grayscale errors are much more obvious than gamut errors. I also think the lamp plays an important role in how frequently one needs to calibrate. I have no experience with the Lamp in your RS10 but the lamps in the RS40, 45, etc are not very stable and (at least in my case) my RS55 needed frequent gamma and grayscale calibrations to maintain best PQ. OTOH, the lamp in my x55 is far more stable and requires far less frequent calibrations. The good news is you already have a Mini 3D and with some patience and minimal dollar outlay you could calibrate gamma and grayscale manually pretty quickly once you get up on the learning curve a bit. For additional $$ you could get and auto cal package.
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When are the new projectors shipping? Need it now smile.gif I am hitting F5 every hour hoping for the announcement we are all eagerly looking forward to.
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So I am seeing a lot of mention of using this and that for calibration. I’ve never really dabbled in the video calibration side, only the audio calibration side of the fence. I am sure this is not the proper place to ask simplistic calibration questions but since the subject keeps coming up I figured I’d ask. I searched AVS and found the “GREYSCALE & COLOUR CALIBRATION FOR DUMMIES” guide and read through it a little. It appears to do manual calibrations a person will need A) meter (this guide suggested an “eye-one”) B) Tripod to set meter on C) Test disc with greyscale patters D) Computer software such as ChromaPure. I’m sure there are other meters and software options. But doing the manual calibration method would mean the user would mess with the settings on the display itself. Then people mention the Lumagens and the auto calibration. And I see on the Chromapure website that the Lumagen Mini3D, 2021 and the 2041 are physical devices that you put in the chain before the display. Do you simply make setting changes on the Lumagen devices (or let it make changes for you in the case of auto calibration) instead of the manual calibration method where you’re changing settings on the display itself?
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Well, surprise, surprise...

I'm among first in line for getting the new JVC projector from my Canadian dealer.

JVC originally told my dealer the projectors would be shipped in November.
Then: first week in December.
Then it was looking like 2nd week.

Now JVC is telling my dealer the projectors will be shipping Dec 27th.

Time to move my installer's dates again...

Never count on anything until it's actually in your hands....
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Well, surprise, surprise...

I'm among first in line for getting the new JVC projector from my Canadian dealer.

JVC originally told my dealer the projectors would be shipped in November.
Then: first week in December.
Then it was looking like 2nd week.

Now JVC is telling my dealer the projectors will be shipping Dec 27th.

Time to move my installer's dates again...

Never count on anything until it's actually in your hands....

At this point I would be over the moon if I could at least see or read a hands on review.

James Reid:D
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Review:

Its the greatest projector ever for the Money, competes with projectors that cost 10 times as much.
black levels are amazing with the new Intelligent Iris, blows the previous years models out of the water.
Colors are close enough not to worry about external processors, and wow, what a difference e-Shift 3 makes.


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With the JVCs I don't think it's likely. A lot of the reviews tend to come out around the time they ship to us consumers, and sometimes quite a while after that....
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