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Arrived just in time. My TaskRabbit (assistant) putting the bow on the RS57 to put under the tree.

Had to unbox it because I saw UPS drop it a good 8 inches from the truck. Appears to be undamaged and working fine. The picture is stunning. Was furious at them though.

Oh man if I saw that the projector wouldn't be the only thing dropped.
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Red bow matches the red ring o your JVC Professional model. A gold bow would match the gold ring on the JVC Consumer Division model. With the packing, an 8 inch drop wouldn't hurt the projector at all. Drops in the UPS system of 10 ft are possible although the landing zone would be soft, normally other boxes. smile.gif

Umm.. Makes me wonder how far UPS had to drop my RS40 to break the case..

My 4910 will be here Thursday via UPS. I hope they can get it to me without dropping it. If they manage to break two projectors I'll be really unhappy...
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It probably broke when a much heavier package crashed down on it.

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It will be interesting to see if the gamma curve applied to the II function varies as to the static gamma curve, user selectable or set up by the user applied to non II operation. I would be surprised if it did. As the II cuts the light to improve the blacks the gamma must be offset by lowering it at the high end not to dim the brights too much and I would expect the set gamma curve to be much different. It will be interesting to see what actually is. Happy holidays my friend.

Thanks, Mark, same to you.

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The 4910 has a 4k hdmi 2.0 input, so its accepts a native 4k source & all upscaled to 4k sources... I have the 4810, will I be able to have a native 4k source & 480/720/1080 upscaled to 4k sources play on the 4810 and just be capped (at 1080 input wise) or will those sources not work at all on my 4810 because of the hdmi input.

On other devices (plasmas, dvd players, etc.) it would work just not be full benefits/capped at highest the tv was...

I am going to use the ps4 (like I have the ps3 for a bluray player) for my 4k dvd player (I know the ps4 is not a native 4k player now but it will e when he firmware update the hardware at a later date...).
The ps4 (at release date...) does upscale 480/720/1080 to 4k, then send it to tv/projector.

So, this is where I am at trying to figure out what will/wont work...

I thinking it will but just be capped for the native4k sources, but could it work/play with a upscaled to 4k (threw ps4) source, since that source is originally 1080p at most...

I know the difference between 1080 upscaled to 4k by 'dvd' player is similar to it just being upscaled by 4810 projector but I want to e able to play all my dvds threw the ps4 upscalling them to 4k pixels (with ps4) then to jvc4810...

If anyone has a ps4 has tried/knows this & if anyone knows these things.

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The 4910 doesn't have hdmi 2.0 or hdcp 2.2 so it can only display unprotected 4K demo footage (like from youtube or your own camera). As far as bluray 4K is concerned, it will not do any better than your 4810 as none of the jvc models will be able to play 4K commercial (protected) content like bluray 4K due to the lack of hdcp 2.2. The only consumer projectors that have a chance to support bluray 4K this year (whether from the ps4 or any other commercial player) are the Sony vw500/600es and the upgraded vw1000/1100es.
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Thanks. I figured some of that.


Is there a limit on the darbee s in terms of pixels or will they still work with 8k, etc.



What does the 4910 have 1.4 hdmi. Does my 4810 have the same 1.4 hdmi inputs.

So, in terms of playing 480/1080 dvds upscaled to 4k pixels (threw the ps4) the 4910 doesn't do anything else then the 4810 does. In terms of being able to play upscaled sources.
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Like you said, only those native 4k sonys (15,000) will play all/any native 4k dvds. Until the jvc projectors have the 2.0 & 2.2 specs... Which will be in the next couple of years.

I just want to make sure that I can do what I want & play 480 & 1080 dvds on the ps4, have the ps4 upscale them to 4k pixels ad be able to watch it threw the 4810.

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Thanks. I figured some of that.


Is there a limit on the darbee s in terms of pixels or will they still work with 8k, etc. What is the hdmi input & output on the darbee s.



What does the 4910 have 1.4 hdmi. Does my 4810 have the same 1.4 hdmi inputs

The ps4 (1st generation) is 1.4 output.

So, in terms of playing 480/1080 dvds upscaled to 4k pixels (threw the ps4) the 4910 doesn't do anything else then the 4810 does. In terms of being able to play upscaled sources.
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Like you said, only those native 4k sonys (15,000) will play all/any native 4k dvds. Until the jvc projectors have the 2.0 & 2.2 specs... Which will be in the next couple of years.

I just want to make sure that I can do what I want & play 480 & 1080 dvds on the ps4, have the ps4 upscale them to 4k pixels ad be able to watch it threw the 4810 (with all 1.4 hdmi connections).

The PS4 already has HDMI 2.0b (the slow version limited to 10Gbit/s ie using an HDMI 1.4 chipset, as in the VW500/600ES) and HDCP 2.2 support. It's been confirmed by Sony.

The only way to get the PS4 to display DVD and 1080p content on your 4810 is to let the JVC do the upscaling. Your 4810 won't accept any upscaled to 4K source, HDCP 2.2 or not as it doesn't accept 4K native input.
A 4910 (or any model from this year with native 4K input) might accept upscaled 1080p as long as it doesn't require HDCP 2.2. There is a possibility that upscaled 1080p doesn't require HDCP 2.2, so in which case it should play on a 4910.
But as the PQ is unlikely to be better when 1080p content is upscaled by the PS4, I would personally send 1080p to the 4810 and let the 4810 do the upscaling/e-shifting, that way you're sure to have no HDCP issues.
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I agree with Manni01. Just to make sure there are no misunderstandings let me add one piece of information:

As Manni01 said, we don't know whether the PS4 will or will not allow to send DVD or 1080p Blu-Ray content upscaled to 4K to the JVC. However, we do know that there are already other devices out there (Blu-Ray players and AVRs with HDMI 1.4 chips) which definitely *can* send commercial content upscaled to 4K to the JVC. So that means that the new JVCs are generally able to accept upscaled commercial 4K content, at least from some devices. But maybe not from the PS4, or other HDCP 2.2 compatible sources. We don't know about the last part yet.

I also agree with Manni01 that using the PS4 to upscale to 4K might not be a good idea, anyway. I've read in a PS4 review somewhere that the PS4 does not do a good job with upscaling DVD compared to e.g. the PS3. So if you're looking for best quality DVD/Blu-Ray to 4K upscaling, you could try e.g. a Lumagen processor, or an HTPC with a fast GPU. Neither of these two options should introduce any HDCP related problems.
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Thanks. I figured some of that.


Is there a limit on the darbee s in terms of pixels or will they still work with 8k, etc. What is the hdmi input & output on the darbee s.



What does the 4910 have 1.4 hdmi. Does my 4810 have the same 1.4 hdmi inputs

The ps4 (1st generation) is 1.4 output.

So, in terms of playing 480/1080 dvds upscaled to 4k pixels (threw the ps4) the 4910 doesn't do anything else then the 4810 does. In terms of being able to play upscaled sources.
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Like you said, only those native 4k sonys (15,000) will play all/any native 4k dvds. Until the jvc projectors have the 2.0 & 2.2 specs... Which will be in the next couple of years.

I just want to make sure that I can do what I want & play 480 & 1080 dvds on the ps4, have the ps4 upscale them to 4k pixels ad be able to watch it threw the 4810 (with all 1.4 hdmi connections).

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your question because I just woke up, but...

You cannot feed the 4810 upscaled 4K signals.

HDCP 2.2 protected media aside, the 4910 can accept upscaled 4K signals (1080p upscaled to 4K by the BD player or a video processor (like the lumagen).

The 4810 can NOT accept upscaled 4K signals (1080p upscaled to 4K by the BD player or a video processor (like the lumagen).

Both projectors will, however, do internal upscaling of 1080p to 4K as part of the eshift process.

The Darbee only works at up to 1080p. Any current implementation (using external Darblet or Darbee processing in the oppo or lumagen) applies the processing to the 1080 signal before upscaling to 4K.

Again, HDCP 2.2 protected media aside, being able to accept a 4K signal (native or upscaled) is a NEW FEATURE for this year's JVC models.

Hope that's helpful.
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Of course HDCP 2.2 is not required to get a 4K HDMI connection to display a 4K desktop from an HDMI 1.4 GPU which doesn't support HDCP 2.2, why would it be? We are talking about commercial, protected 4K content, hopefully you understand the difference. That HTPC for the same reason (lacking HDCP 2.2) will not be able to play any 4K protected content, on any projector, JVC or Sony.
There is no doubt that bluray 4K and any source device able to play commercial 4K content from studios will require HDCP 2.2. It's a fact.
The only question debated here is whether an HDMI 2.0 source supporting HDCP 2.2 (like the PS4) will expect an HDCP 2.2 supporting display when playing upscaled 1080p protected content. Possibly they will only require standard HDCP, possibly because it's 4K they will require HDCP 2.2. The only way to know is to try. Have you?

I'm just curious, seeing how there hasn't been any 4K BD specs or standards created yet, where you heard HDCP 2.2 is factually obligated to be used with it?

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Not sure what you are asking. Lots of content will not be protected by HDCP anything and can be watched using HDCP 2.0. Almost any content protection protocol can be handled by any HDMI. HDMI does not require any content protection.

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Ok. Thanks, eh.
From everything you guys mentioned I know what I didn't before. Might have more questions later when people try things on new projectors...

So, bottom line is 4810 cannot play any upscaled 4k, but the 4910 can (just not native 4k with the 2.2 spec.)
The 4910 will play upscaled 4k but it might only be a 'little' better by upscaling threw ps4, then to just have the projector do it. So depending on that would determine if its worth getting the 4910 & selling/trading in 4810. (For these purposes only. The 4910 is better for other certain thing as well...)

If Darbee is only 1080, then they will make a 4k darbee in a year, etc. when 4k native blu rays are out... or were you just saying that because of the 1080 feed going threw it.


How long until jvc has a native 4k projector with a 8k eshift... That's going to be sweet.

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If Darbee is only 1080, then they will make a 4k darbee in a year, etc. when 4k native blu rays are out... or were you just saying that because of the 1080 feed going threw it.

I meant what I said, and I said what I meant. The Darbee is 1080 one hundred percent. wink.gif

It only works on 1080 (or lower) resolution. But surely they will develop a 4K solution.
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Darbeevision remains essentially silent on processing 4K but say they have done it in the lab. They refuse to respond to any inquiries regarding whether a 4K Darblet will be produced. My guess is that a licensee will have to produce it, not Darbeevision, which appears to have real capital limitations.

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I just hooked up my Darbee to my rs46 and have been tinkering with it. Hidef mode at 40-50% seems best/safest. My RS57 arrives tomorrow. The Darbee is performing some degree of video processing. The eshift on the rs57 will be performing video processing. Adding these extra video processing junctions in my video path would ad some video latency would it not?
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Blu-ray 4K will not be announced at CES. I'd say there is only a small change it will be announced at CEDIA next year. What HDCP will be required is unknown at the moment. Honestly, if Sony has anything to do with it, it will probably be something even higher than HDCP 2.2 given their track record (I kid of course, okay maybe not). There is still way too much in the air about what Blu-ray 4K will or won't be to even guess at what the requirements are. I'd even go so far as to say that the new Sony projectors won't support everything it brings to the table. We have no clue as to what the final color space will be. This is one of the main reasons I'm so hesitant to buy any projector right now, native 4K or not. The Sony has a better chance of meeting most of what the format has to offer, no doubt, but that doesn't mean it can achieve the other specs such as color gamut. Everything is a big gamble right now and given how Sony handled the 1000ES out of the gate and 4K in general, I'm even more reluctant to tell anyone that any projector should fit the bill for the foreseeable future with anything more than what is commercially available now for playback software. So in that respect, the Sony has the leg up with the Sony 4K puck server and Sony's own movie catalog. JVC can do upscaled content from various Blu-ray players or native 4K from the Red Ray player and the other one (don't remember the other one right off the top of my head). All of these seem to be showing 4K with Blu-ray like specs but higher native resolution. So basically a stop gap until something else comes down the pipe.

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Speaking of dynamic irises, is the problem with their being visible (pumping) about the limited physical/mechanical speed of the iris itself or the computation time needed to tell the iris what to do? Or both? Do any of the current solutions delay the image projected, allowing the the computations to take place and the iris being told what to do ahead of time, then synchronizing everything by the time the image is projected? Or do they normally do everything in real time, reacting to each frame?
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Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your question because I just woke up, but...

You cannot feed the 4810 upscaled 4K signals.

HDCP 2.2 protected media aside, the 4910 can accept upscaled 4K signals (1080p upscaled to 4K by the BD player or a video processor (like the lumagen).

The 4810 can NOT accept upscaled 4K signals (1080p upscaled to 4K by the BD player or a video processor (like the lumagen).

Both projectors will, however, do internal upscaling of 1080p to 4K as part of the eshift process.

The Darbee only works at up to 1080p. Any current implementation (using external Darblet or Darbee processing in the oppo or lumagen) applies the processing to the 1080 signal before upscaling to 4K.

Again, HDCP 2.2 protected media aside, being able to accept a 4K signal (native or upscaled) is a NEW FEATURE for this year's JVC models.

Hope that's helpful.


It's a great (and important), point about a Darblet and keeping it in your video chain… you'll have no choice but to let the JVC upscale to 4K (which may be better anyhow IMO).

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Chris. The Sony can also display native 4K from sources other than its server such as the Red Ray player which has its own share of problems.

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Even with an iris that can be respond instantaneously, the problem is how to program its response; allowing it to respond instantaneously will in many situations result in obvious black level pumping.
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Speaking of dynamic irises, is the problem with their being visible (pumping) about the limited physical/mechanical speed of the iris itself or the computation time needed to tell the iris what to do? Or both? Do any of the current solutions delay the image projected, allowing the the computations to take place and the iris being told what to do ahead of time, then synchronizing everything by the time the image is projected? Or do they normally do everything in real time, reacting to each frame?

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Pumping is like a woman who changes her mind rather frequently based on how things change after the initial response.. She, the DI or II, knows what to do in response to a particular set of variables but because she responds as programed the variables change because of the change in iris while the scene doesn't and she responds in the opposite direction.. Pumping..

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Chris. The Sony can also display native 4K from sources other than its server such as the Red Ray player which has its own share of problems.

Absolutely Mark. Didn't mean to imply otherwise. Only that tha Sony server is Sony exclusive (hardware and software at this point). Everything else is fair game so far.

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Merry (fill in blank) everyone!

So...anyone supposed to get their new JVC today, tomorrow, next day?

I'm supposed to get the RS57 Friday. Santa is late this year. If he's roughed it up during his sleigh ride I'll sue the red-coated bastard for all he's worth!
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I've yet to see a DI that doesn't have some issues. It is more about how apparent the issues are in everyday use. There will always be a test that can show faults with anything, but more important are issues that are constantly visible. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough just how good or bad the JVC iris is. On the plus side though the JVC's have outstanding contrast and black performance without them, something that usually can't be said for most other brands. But I'm hoping JVC did a good job. It can do nothing but improve the performance if they did.

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Here is a riddle Chris. What do almost all of our industry press people and all DIs have in common?.smile.gif

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I've yet to see a DI that doesn't have some issues. It is more about how apparent the issues are in everyday use. There will always be a test that can show faults with anything, but more important are issues that are constantly visible. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough just how good or bad the JVC iris is. On the plus side though the JVC's have outstanding contrast and black performance without them, something that usually can't be said for most other brands. But I'm hoping JVC did a good job. It can do nothing but improve the performance if they did.
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I agree, but there are some implementations that work wonderfully with real content. Sony, Runco/Planar, and Sim2 have done their homework and have 100%-of-the-the time usable DIs. There arent many other projectors that can make that claim. There are units here and there, ie Sharp xv-z30000, that work good but as a whole any projector from the companies aforementioned will definitely have phenomenal DI performance.

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