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Thebes 08-14-2013 06:47 AM

Hi,

some preliminary informations about the new range JVC 2014 are available on an italian seller's website :

http://www.homecinemasolution.it/proiettori-home-cinema/jvc/serie-2014/

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.homecinemasolution.it%2Fproiettori-home-cinema%2Fjvc%2Fserie-2014%2F


" INFORMAZIONI PREELIMINARI

Quest'anno JVC non toccherà il modello di base DLA-RS46 che rimarrà a catalogo fino al prossimo novembre 2014 , ma uscirà con 3 nuovi modelli che si chiamano DLA-RS49- RS57 - RS67 .

Questi accetteranno tutti segnali 4K 3840x2160 nativi e avranno il supporto fino a 30HZ con una singola HDMI e 60HZ con la doppia HDMI .

Partiranno sempre con il 49 a € 5.000,00 che avrà in più del 48 oltre la possibilità di accettare segnali 4K anche 60.000:1 di contrasto e:

1°4K@60 can be inputted
2°Extremely improved Dynamic range
3°New MPC
4°New Clear Motion Drive
5°Photo Mode
6°Mastered in4K for x.v.Color
7°6th Generation new D-ILA Chip
8°2 Memories for Pixel Adjustment
9°Auto Calibration on 5 series
10°Newly Application for Smartphone"

conan48 08-14-2013 07:12 AM

Sounds too good to be true. 5000 (euros?) for 4k? 4k at 60hz (hdmi 2.0?)

Hopefully it's accurate:D

stanger89 08-14-2013 07:17 AM

Reading between the lines, it sounds to me like they're just updating their current models (e-shift 4K) to accept 4k input, and it sounds like 4k60p is achieved through dual-HDMI.

Ron Jones 08-14-2013 07:17 AM

So if the above info is correct, JVC will be adding a 4K signal input to their line of eShift projectors. They appear to be using HDMI 1.4 inputs which are limited to 4K @ 30 Hz with 60 Hz only possible by using two HDMI inputs. However, I doubt this dual HDMI configuration will be supported by future 4K video sources where I would expect HDMI 2.0 to become the industry accepted method for supporting anything above 30 Hz for 4K video. The apparent approach JVC is taking should allow for "4K Lite" projectors that sell for similar prices as this year's e-Shift models (with prices starting under $5K). These could not be called true UHD projectors as they do not conform the UHD definition as per ITU where there must be approx. 8 Mpixels displayed (i.e., 2160 x 3840) that can be discretely addressed and the eShift technique only displays approx. 4 Mpixels (I.e., a 1920 by 1080 pixel sub-image displayed twice with diagonal half pixel offset).

What it appears JVC has planned is a very logical upgrade to their e-Shift projectors. I talked to a JVC rep. about doing this back at CEDIA two years ago, when e-Shift was first introduced, and I was somewhat surprised they didn't add this capability last year, in their 2nd generation of e-Shift models. This provides a lower price alternative to a true 4K UHD projector, while getting some, but not all, of the benefits 4K has to offer.

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whitetrash66 08-14-2013 07:24 AM

So these projectors will accept a 30 hertz 3840x2160 signal through a single HDMI for 1/4 the price of the VW1000ES? With the JVC contrast? and will somehow accept a 60 hertz signal through dual HDMI? SOLD~!!!!eek.gif

Seriously though, if this is true, i'll probably pony up for the RS67. I've been looking at the VW1000 for the last 2 years (!) but have been playing the waiting game. If this is true, i wonder what sony has in the pipeline?

conan48 08-14-2013 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

So if the above info is correct, JVC will be adding a 4K signal input to their line of eShift projectors. They appear to be using HDMI 1.4 inputs which are limited to 4K @ 30 Hz with 60 Hz only possible by using two HDMI inputs. However, I doubt this dual HDMI configuration will be supported by future 4K video sources where I would expect HDMI 2.0 to become the method for supporting anything above 30 Hz for 4K video. The apparent approach JVC is taking should allow for "4K Lite" projectors that sell for similar prices as this year's e-shift models (with prices starting under $5K). These could not be called true UHD projectors as they do not conform the UHD definition as per ITU where there must be approx. 8 Mpixels displayed that can be discretely addressed and the eShift technique only displays approx. 4 Mpixels (I.e., 1920 by 1080 pixel sub-image displayed twice with diagonal half pixel offset).

How could you use 2 HDMI's for 60hz anyway? I think it may be possible with an HTPC only, but no consumer device would allow that.

whitetrash66 08-14-2013 07:42 AM

pc games and such. One HDMI from the GPU, and one diplayport- hdmi adaptor.

A pain, yes, but i seriously don't see 4k cable/satellite transmissions anytime soon. I don't have a single 1080P channel! i could probably even live with just the 30 hertz input, but having the option for 60 (even if its a pain, but i do have an htpc and game on it) would be nice. I'd prefer hdmi 2.0. But when the hell is THAT coming? soon please?

Ron Jones 08-14-2013 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

How could you use 2 HDMI's for 60hz anyway? I think it may be possible with an HTPC only, but no consumer device would allow that.
PC only today is probably correct, but perhaps JVC will, in the future, offer a small external video processor box with a HDMI 2.0 input that can accept a 4K@60Hz input and provide dual HDMI 1.4 outputs with each providing 4K@30Hz. It's technically possible, but I have no idea if this is what JVC has planned for their 4K migration path.

mbw23air 08-14-2013 08:15 AM

This is disappointing as it looks like JVC is not putting out a native UHD projector this year and just putting out another year of e-shift models. I bet this partly is because of HDMI 2.0. I don't see the benefit of being able to use dual HDMI with each providing 4K @30HZ for PC gaming because the JVC have a high input lag and aren't the best for gaming. So a serious gamer wouldn't use the JVC for gaming. Am I missing something or is this probably JVC's only option this year?

Mike

conan48 08-14-2013 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

PC only today is probably correct, but perhaps JVC will in the future offer a small external video processor box with a HDMI 2.0 input that can accept a 4K@60Hz input and provide dual HDMI 1.4 outputs with each providing 4K@30Hz. It's technically possible, but I have no idea if this is what JVC has planned for their 4K migration path.

True. They could do that with an external processor. I hate band aid solutions, especially with HDMI and all their HDCP issues and trying to get the signal through would require a 4K HMDI 2.0 receiver also. Did I mention I HATE HDMI biggrin.gif We have display port which is superior in every way but nobody uses it. mad.gif Even dual link DVI has enough bandwith for 3D at 1080p 60hz, and even maybe 4k 60hz.

soupdragon 08-14-2013 08:20 AM

So what are they saying here? Its still a 1080p chip but instead of e-shift processing it will be adapted to accept 4k input? So its accepting real 4k and displaying pseudo 4k from the 1080p panel by replacing e-shift processing with the actual image from the 4k signal by using the e-shift device? I'm quite confused unless this is actually a 4k panel but surely thats not right - 5000 euros for a 4k dila panel!?! Would be nice but I doubt it....

alk3997 08-14-2013 08:21 AM

You guys maybe missing something obvious. The current JVC 4K camera (camcorder) has the ability to send 3840x2160 using 4 HDMI outputs (one 1080p quadrant per output). With a slight upgrade to that camcorder, 1920x2160x60Hz could be sent out of 2 HDMI outputs instead.

So, if this turns out to be true, the whole purpose of the dual HDMI inputs is to provide a full screen output device for that JVC 4K camcorder (or the upgraded version).

I think you'll also find that some video cards will support 1920x2160 x 2 x 60Hz. I thought I read W8 has a built-in driver for it.

JVC Pro providing a method to display a JVC Pro camcorder output would be consistent with their past marketing.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=839193&is=REG&Q=&A=details

cischico 08-14-2013 08:40 AM

I think the most important upgrade is the new DILA chip. It mentions an increased dynamic range. I hope the panel is faster too

blee0120 08-14-2013 08:44 AM

http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2013/releases/4K_shipping.html

JVC 4K TV has 4K panels but uses 4 hdmi cables to do 2160p60. When I mentioned this awhile back on the prediction 4k thread, some said it was stupid. If they can make an external converter to make these use hdmi 2.0, this is a major win. Its not like we are going to have a lot of 4k devices, maybe 2. So using a couple of hdmi cables and an external converter will not be so bad. If the $5K price is correct for the lowest model, the pre order price is going to be killer

mbw23air 08-14-2013 08:51 AM

5,000 Euro = about $6600 US Dollars

blee0120 08-14-2013 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mbw23air View Post

5,000 Euro = about $6600 US Dollars

Just going off of jvc past history, I'm hoping they keep their prices at $5k, $8k, and $12k

mbw23air 08-14-2013 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

Just going off of jvc past history, I'm hoping they keep their prices at $5k, $8k, and $12k

Yeah, you are right. I can't see them varying from that since these are still 1080p projectors.

Thebes 08-14-2013 09:00 AM

Hi,

I agree, but in fact I presume it will be at the same MSRP as the RS 48 :

http://www.projectorcentral.com/JVC-DLA-RS48.htm

as the X55 (same as RS48) in Europa is at 4 999 €.

http://www.cinemotion.biz/a-1-2468/JVC-DLA-X55-Videoprojecteur-D-ILA-Full-HD-3D.htm

cischico 08-14-2013 09:01 AM

If they keep the same chassis design with the same lamp as 2013 and they are indeed using new D-ILA chips with faster refresh rate. I'm upgrading and that is it for me until true 4K comes. If the above is true I would say its a major update, I wonder how true the extreme dynamic range is. That should also improve ANSI contrast ratio.

blee0120 08-14-2013 09:22 AM

I'm hoping these use 4k panels

Thebes 08-14-2013 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

I'm hoping these use 4k panels

Hi,

it doesn't seems...

mbw23air 08-14-2013 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

I'm hoping these use 4k panels

The best I was hoping for is the top-end model would have UHD(sorry, I read Seegs108's article) panels but the link above doesn't say.

Mike

whitetrash66 08-14-2013 09:42 AM

INFORMATION PREELIMINARI

This year will not touch the JVC DLA-RS46 basic model that will remain in the catalog until next November 2014, but will come out with new models that are called 3-rs49 DLA-RS57 - RS67.

These accept all signals 4K 3840x2160 native and will support up to 30HZ and 60HZ with a single HDMI with dual HDMI.

Always start with 49 to € 5,000.00 which will take in more than 48 more than the ability to accept signals 4K 60,000:1 contrast and also:

1 4K @ 60 can be inputted

2nd Extremely improved Dynamic range
3 New MPC
4th New Clear Motion Drive
5th Photo Mode
6th Mastered in4K for xvColor
7th Generation 6th new D-ILA Chip
8 ° 2 Memories for Pixel Adjustment
9th Auto Calibration on 5 series
10 ° Newly Application for Smartphones


from the translated page. Why would the projector need dual hdmi to get 60 hertz eshift? that only uses one hdmi. Doesn't this seem like the panels would be 4K?

mbw23air 08-14-2013 09:55 AM

HDMI 1.4 can't accept more than 4096p at 30Hz so I guess that is why it would have to use dual HDMI to accept 4096p at 60 Hz but that is just me guessing.

The wording in the announcement saying that "These accept all signals 4K 3840x2160 native and will support up to 30HZ and 60HZ with a single HDMI with dual HDMI." makes it sound like UHD panels but it may mean after e-shifting to that resolution it is native.

blee0120 08-14-2013 10:10 AM

The eshift models can upscale to 2160p60. They don't really need two hdmi cables to do this. If it accepts a 4k signal with 1080p panels, they are just upscaling still. I don't understand why they would need two cables to do this. So, any guess on what accepting a 4k signal will have over the previous eshift models?

whitetrash66 08-14-2013 10:20 AM

hopefully this isn't true. I don't get WHY they would need to accept a 60 hertz UHD signal just to downscale it to eshift, when eshift does that already from a 1080p signal... Maybe i'm just wishful thinking for 4k panels. But why even bother having the eshift projectors accept a 4k signal?

mbw23air 08-14-2013 10:20 AM

Because HDMI 1.4 can't accept 2160p60 and these new projectors are still HDMI 1.4.

mbw23air 08-14-2013 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by whitetrash66 View Post

But why even bother having the eshift projectors accept a 4k signal?

So when the next 4k optical disc format comes out you could send that signal to projector natively but with HDCP I could see some handshaking issues and it is still going to have to use e-shift to display it so it isn't going to be native UHD. I think these new projectors are going to cause more confusion and problems instead of just putting out regular 1080p e-shift models and then put out a top-end native UHD projector but I bet the reason for this is because HDMI 2.0 not being ready soon enough.

Mike

blee0120 08-14-2013 10:41 AM

The think is no one knows when 4k discs will be available. It could be next year or in 3yrs. By that time, there will be projectors in the same price range with 4k panels that are hdmi 2.0. Its best to wait a year when the 57 successor will be $8K with 4k panels and hdmi 2.0 for around $5-5.5k pre order price.

ChopShop1 08-14-2013 10:45 AM

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