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The public name from the new Reference serie 2013-2014 seems to be DLA-X500, DLA-X700 and DLA-X900 (the X35 will stay). Two of those references can be found here :

http://dl.free.fr/fRwAFWwkQ (page 18 bottom)

Those Models will use the 6th generation of DLA Pannels :

1°4K@60 can be inputted
2°Extremely improved Dynamic range
3°New MPC
4°New Clear Motion Drive
5°Photo Mode
6°Mastered in4K for x.v.Color
7°6th Generation new D-ILA Chip
8°2 Memories for Pixel Adjustment
9°Auto Calibration on 5 series
10°Newly Application for Smartphone "




http://www.cinetson.org/phpBB3/projecteurs-f2/jvc-dla-x700-nouvelle-gamme-2013-2014-t37542.html

http://www.cinetson.org/phpBB3/projecteurs-f2/jvc-dla-x500-nouvelle-gamme-2013-2014-t37540.html

http://www.cinetson.org/phpBB3/projecteurs-f2/jvc-dla-x900-nouvelle-gamme-2013-2014-t37541.html
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Cant wait to hear what the 4K60 ininput actually means. What benefit will that have compared to eshift 1 and 2?
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No damn cigar but so freaking close...... mad.gifbiggrin.gif
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I'm curious to see what "Extremely improved Dynamic range" means....will this affect motion handling? Is that why there is a new CMD?
I'm also curious how well the new MPC works (I'm one of the few [evidently] that felt eShift2 was a step backwards from eShift1).

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I really hope that they have improve the FI, because it's one of the worst I have seen (too much artefacts).
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I really that they have improve the FI, because it's one of the worst I have seen (too much artefacts).
Yes, FI is useless to me in it's current implementation.

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The main thing I want to know is if these accept a 4k signal, even if it uses eshift, how will it compare to true 4k? Will it be THAT much different from the vw1000 showing 4k?
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The problem is that you can't use video processor like Radiance becouse a model with 4K input dosent exist right now frown.gif
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The main thing I want to know is if these accept a 4k signal, even if it uses eshift, how will it compare to true 4k? Will it be THAT much different from the vw1000 showing 4k?

Simulated 4K against native 4K, I bet on better results with the native solution (or should I write solutions wink.gif).
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Plus a much nicer lens, brighter image, substantially higher ANSI contrast, ect. Yes, it will be different.

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But the real datasheet when? in the first days of september or later this autumn?
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Let say when CEDIA will start. Démonstration of the X900 and X500 will also take place in Paris from 28th to 29th September.
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Ok then in the end of september...many thanks wink.gif
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The problem is that you can't use video processor like Radiance becouse a model with 4K input dosent exist right now frown.gif

The Radiance 2041/2042 offer 4k output.

See what an anamorphoscopic lens can do,
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Yes i know,but not input...with 4K input the processed signal is better no? smile.gif
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Right. Why would one want to have to use a lower res than the native of the source, 4K with respect to 4K, to process the signal. .

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Yes i know,but not input...with 4K input the processed signal is better no? smile.gif

Probably like it works better to actually read. redface.gif

Of course you could always bypass the VP for 4K sources.

See what an anamorphoscopic lens can do,
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"Mastered in4K for x.v.Color" what do you think about this feature? how will work? smile.gif
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"Mastered in4K for x.v.Color" what do you think about this feature? how will work? smile.gif

Oh this feature is very simple and could have been added to previous models. It is simply support for the slightly expanded colour space used in a range of Blu-rays from Sony called "mastered in 4K". As long as the Blu-ray player and display device support x.v.Color you can take advantage of this. In reality, some with these discs have compared the colour output used by the original version and this re-master and the "benefit" of this only happens in very few scenes and is barely noticeable. Nevertheless it is a good feature to add and I wish they had retro-added this to previous models.
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Many thanks Jon wink.gif
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My X90 supports it John and I'm also sure the X70 as well (so I would assume the X75 and 95 would have kept this feature on)

As you say, the rest of the video chain needs to match - blu player to amp to PJ (and possibly video processor/darbee thrown into the chain as well)
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I posted this thread a few months back around this topic, see here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1473134/sony-master-in-4k-blu-rays-on-our-projectors-enhanced-colors
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My X90 supports it John and I'm also sure the X70 as well (so I would assume the X75 and 95 would have kept this feature on)

As you say, the rest of the video chain needs to match - blu player to amp to PJ (and possibly video processor/darbee thrown into the chain as well)

Well, I remember seeing your post. All the tests I have done suggest otherwise though when I looked at this with my X75. As you say, they should all be the same...JVC don't make a habit of removing features. I remember in one JVC spec sheet it was mentioned.....but other spec sheets it was omitted. Perhaps I have overlooked something. Have you managed to see evidence of the difference?

EDIT: Just to point out of course that the Mastered in 4K blu-rays didn't exist back then, but this alternative colourspace did exist primarily for use with Camcorders.
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Well, I remember seeing your post. All the tests I have done suggest otherwise though when I looked at this with my X75. As you say, they should all be the same...JVC don't make a habit of removing features. I remember in one JVC spec sheet it was mentioned.....but other spec sheets it was omitted. Perhaps I have overlooked something. Have you managed to see evidence of the difference?

EDIT: Just to point out of course that the Mastered in 4K blu-rays didn't exist back then, but this alternative colourspace did exist primarily for use with Camcorders.

I got one of the 4k mastered discs but couldn't get it to work with expanded colour space. I think possibly because of the darbee in the chain but I've not run it blu ray to pj direct as it will involve quite a bit of work the way my set up is. I've a jvc camcorder which supports xv colour and I've recorded some footage with it on and off but I've been too busy watching golf and football to test it out. Will get round to it at some point.
I hope this new feature is actually a new feature and not just marketing blurb that's telling us there is something new when it's actually been there for some time!
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I got one of the 4k mastered discs but couldn't get it to work with expanded colour space. I think possibly because of the darbee in the chain but I've not run it blu ray to pj direct as it will involve quite a bit of work the way my set up is. I've a jvc camcorder which supports xv colour and I've recorded some footage with it on and off but I've been too busy watching golf and football to test it out. Will get round to it at some point.
I hope this new feature is actually a new feature and not just marketing blurb that's telling us there is something new when it's actually been there for some time!

I run through a Radiance XE3D and Darbee as well. As you say, they could interfere with that chain and prevent this from working. I need to check if the Radiance is compatible with x.v.color
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This 4k logo on all this Eshift based projectors is a little bit too much for me and what is the purpose for the new Models to accept 4k in 60hz downscale it and once again convert it in this fake 4k ? I cannot understand why JVC have choosen this solution. frown.gif
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This 4k logo on all this Eshift based projectors is a little bit too much for me and what is the purpose for the new Models to accept 4k in 60hz downscale it and once again convert it in this fake 4k ? I cannot understand why JVC have choosen this solution. frown.gif

Who says JVC is downscaling 4K input and then upscale it again? Is that really true? If so, the 4K input would be totally non-sense and even misleading. My understanding was that JVC is *not* downscaling 4K to 2K, but instead they're directly "resampling" the 4K to e-shift. Is my understanding wrong?
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Hard to believe, because the DLA pannels are only full hd pannels.
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No offense, but I wish people who lack the technical/scientific knowledge would not make blind accusations, especially on a forum like AV *Science*. Sorry, kraine, but unless you *know* that the new JVCs downscale 4K input, you shouldn't post that as a fact. If you have to post that at all, say that you fear this might be happening, but that you don't know.

FWIW, I've personal experience with developing video resampling algorithms (see my HTPC video renderer "madVR") and I'm telling you that it is technically *possible* to convert the 4K input directly to e-shift without downscaling it first. What JVC really does, I don't know. Maybe they *do* downscale first, maybe they don't. And it seems you don't know for sure either. So please be careful with what you post as fact, especially because you're the guy posting the news about all the new projectors, so people tend to trust your posts more than other people's posts. If you post something as fact, people tend to think somebody told you that behind closed doors or something...
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