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Sony VPL-VW500ES - 4k Projector - 2013

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#1 ·
Sony VPL-VW500ES incoming



1. HDMI 2.0 Support

2. 9900€ / (9900$)

3. Picture:


4. 1700 Lumen

5. Reality Creation 2

6. 200.000:1 Contrast

7. Wireless HDMI Box


8. "Mastered in 4k" Support

9 TRILUMINOS Support

10. 3D with RF


11. Auto Calibration for Colour

12. New Motionflow Technology



 
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#577 ·

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Originally Posted by turls  /t/1489090/sony-vpl-vw500es-4k-projector-2013/550_50#post_23795064


Contrast 95. Also Iris off. In 3D, I use Max contrast. UMR calibrated it in both modes, so I think I'm ok



I think we covered it before, but that is awful dim. I thought you were close to minimum throw? Maybe you got a subpar unit?


For comparison sake, my 2nd unit got calibrated up to 15 fL at about 600 hours on the bulb. High bulb, of course.

Yeah that is interesting. 15ftL is a huge difference.
 
#580 ·

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Originally Posted by madshi  /t/1489090/sony-vpl-vw500es-4k-projector-2013/570#post_23797206


Won't their B stocks of the 1100ES available for a similar price as current 1000ES in maybe half a yaer, or a year from now? Just wondering...

Everything that you want now will be cheaper in a year. A brand new car looses 25% once it is driven off the lot, this is the way it has always been, just cycles faster now. If you want the new model of anything the premium will be highest. Wait a year and most of the consumer electronics

items are down to almost half but buy then there is a new model with better features and guess what, IT WILL BE EXPENSIVE.


Timing is everything as is budget and personal needs. I'm having a hard time making a leap from a $4K PJ to $15K especially when I know it will be down to 60% of this within a couple of years.
 
#582 ·

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Originally Posted by mark haflich  /t/1489090/sony-vpl-vw500es-4k-projector-2013/570#post_23797506


If, for example, you want a divorce, it won't necessarily be cheaper a year from now.

Especially if you want an 8K divorce that comes with good 36Ds..Uh, I mean good 3D :)
 
#583 ·
I've just been told by our distributor here in the UK that the 4k server which is to be bundled in with VW500ES dealer demo units will not be the FMP-X1. I really do hope that Sony make some provision for 4K content over here in Europe during 2014. If not the FMP-X1 then maybe the PS4?
 
#587 ·

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Originally Posted by mark haflich  /t/1489090/sony-vpl-vw500es-4k-projector-2013/570#post_23797595


Don't be so down. They might do 30 as well.
The bigger issue is you will be stuck with the preloaded content I think but I don't know.

We've also had a confirmation of November for the shipping of dealer demo units and the first consumer units in the UK. So another month to wait. I can tell it's going to go slowly...... I haven't been as excited as this about a new projector for many years.
 
#588 ·

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Originally Posted by roxiedog13  /t/1489090/sony-vpl-vw500es-4k-projector-2013/540#post_23793583


Bat cave, walls are deep flat maroon, the ceiling is black. No outside light at all. PJ is 13.5 feet from the screen mounted in line with the top of the frame. Screen is a Screen Innovations

Solar 4K 1.3 gain ( actual measured is 1.37). Screen is CIH 120" diagonal for 2:35 and 95: for 16:9 .


In 3 D mode I run bright cinema mode, Cinema 1, RC off, gamma 9, sharpness min, . Glasses are on max brightness or level 3 of 4 cannot remember now. This is all I can recall, I can

fill in the settings not mentioned later if you feel I may have something amiss.


Watched Hugo in 3D late night and to be honest it was incredible. Could be a little brighter, and I did notice ghosting from time to time. Have never noticed the flicker that others have mentioned.

PQ was awsome, again aside from the feeling it was a little dim.


I'm just saying I would not want to loose brightness if I step up to the 600ES. Lot of money to loose out in any aspect.

I calculated using a longer zoom and lower gain, than you are actually using. You are probably getting more than 20FL in 3D.
 
#589 ·
I asked this in another thread but no answers so hoping someone on this thread knows..


I cannot find this in any data sheet so I'm hoping someone can answer this..


I'm wondering if this projector has the same upscaling XCA8-4K¹ chip that's found in their 84" XBR 4K Ultra HD TV.
 
#590 ·

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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5  /t/1489090/sony-vpl-vw500es-4k-projector-2013/570#post_23797652


I calculated using a longer zoom and lower gain, than you are actually using. You are probably getting more than 20FL in 3D.

Thanks Mike,


Using a longer zoom meaning that in your calculations the PJ distance you entered was more than 13.5 feet from the screen?


If you calculate 20FL, this translates to between 5-8 FL with the glasses on, assuming a 75%-60% loss with glasses that is.


I watched Hugo 3D two nights ago , the PQ on my HW50ES was incredible , the 3D just about as good as I have seen BUT my perception is the

movie was a still a little dim. My guess is 3000-5000 lumens is going to be required to make 3D acceptable to most. In 2-3 years the 4K and 4000

lumens mark will be closer to reality.


I expect trouble in Canada with 4K content delivery and not much is available now anyway. Unless someone can quantify the up-scaling of 1080 to 4K on

the 600ES will make the PQ worth the move from my current PJ then I'd say popping an additional $15K is not justified.
 
#591 ·

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Originally Posted by roxiedog13  /t/1489090/sony-vpl-vw500es-4k-projector-2013/570#post_23797834


Thanks Mike,


Using a longer zoom meaning that in your calculations the PJ distance you entered was more than 13.5 feet from the screen?


If you calculate 20FL, this translates to between 5-8 FL with the glasses on, assuming a 75%-60% loss with glasses that is.


I watched Hugo 3D two nights ago , the PQ on my HW50ES was incredible , the 3D just about as good as I have seen BUT my perception is the

movie was a still a little dim. My guess is 3000-5000 lumens is going to be required to make 3D acceptable to most. In 2-3 years the 4K and 4000

lumens mark will be closer to reality.


I expect trouble in Canada with 4K content delivery and not much is available now anyway. Unless someone can quantify the up-scaling of 1080 to 4K on

the 600ES will make the PQ worth the move from my current PJ then I'd say popping an additional $15K is not justified.

I was using the information that you posted earlier:

Originally Posted by roxiedog13


"Has anyone figured out if the new VPL-600ES has less brightness in 3D over the 50ES because it lacks the lamp pulsing? I have the 50ES now but would be disappointed to loose any brightness.

Both are rated 1700Lumens and the 50ES is already on the dim side even on my SI 4K Solar 16:9 92" diagonal 1.3 gain.


Hard to give up anything with this kind of price jump."


I should have gone back and re-calculated. I was using mid throw, so a shorter throw, not a longer throw. The 19FL was for 3D not 2D. With a 92" diagonal SI Solar 4K screen (1.37 gain) and 13'-5" of throw you are looking at:


Best image mode, low lamp 2D, 34FL

Best image mode high lamp 2D, 49FL

3D, 17/18FL


This is why I can't imagine your 3D is dim. Something just does not sound right with your setup. 17/18FL in 3D is probably brighter than 99% of the front projector population. From the above post, it looks like your screen is actually 95" diagonal when shooting 16:9.
 
#592 ·

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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5  /t/1489090/sony-vpl-vw500es-4k-projector-2013/570#post_23797905


I was using the information that you posted earlier:

Originally Posted by roxiedog13


"Has anyone figured out if the new VPL-600ES has less brightness in 3D over the 50ES because it lacks the lamp pulsing? I have the 50ES now but would be disappointed to loose any brightness.

Both are rated 1700Lumens and the 50ES is already on the dim side even on my SI 4K Solar 16:9 92" diagonal 1.3 gain.


Hard to give up anything with this kind of price jump."


I should have gone back and re-calculated. I was using mid throw, so a shorter throw, not a longer throw. The 19FL was for 3D not 2D. With a 92" diagonal SI Solar 4K screen (1.37 gain) and 13'-5" of throw you are looking at:


Best image mode, low lamp 2D, 34FL

Best image mode high lamp 2D, 49FL

3D, 17/18FL


This is why I can't imagine your 3D is dim. Something just does not sound right with your setup. 17/18FL in 3D is probably brighter than 99% of the front projector population. From the above post, it looks like your screen is actually 95" diagonal when shooting 16:9.

Yes, it is 95" for16:9, 120" for 2.35:1 . Sorry about that, I had a 92" 16:9 previously.
 
#594 ·

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Originally Posted by Chris Dallas  /t/1489090/sony-vpl-vw500es-4k-projector-2013/570#post_23797737


I asked this in another thread but no answers so hoping someone on this thread knows..


I cannot find this in any data sheet so I'm hoping someone can answer this..


I'm wondering if this projector has the same upscaling XCA8-4K¹ chip that's found in their 84" XBR 4K Ultra HD TV.


Hi Chris. Long time. I don't think anybody posting on the forum knows or even has a clue what the referenced chip is. You have stumped the boys in the band.
 
#596 ·

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Originally Posted by whitetrash66  /t/1489090/sony-vpl-vw500es-4k-projector-2013/540#post_23793112


Art posted his impressions of the vw600es at the projectorreviews blog. He had it in his house for several hours and got to see a lot more than at Celia. He states that he loved the pic quality, and 3d. The main difference between the it and the vw1000 are black levels. But apparently they are as good or better than the vw95, and that's with 1700 lumens. He states that the 4k pic quality is mind blowing and he would rather have it than the new jvc projectors, despite the black level advantage. Good read.


Link
http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog/2013/10/01/sony-vpl-vw600es-projector-cedia-2013/#more-2170

Thanks for posting the link three days after Whitetrash posted it in this very thread.



Why is Art holding back on how much he really likes this machine. He usually is not this reserved.
 
#597 ·

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Originally Posted by mark haflich  /t/1489090/sony-vpl-vw500es-4k-projector-2013/570#post_23804283


Thanks for posting the link three days after Whitetrash posted it in this very thread.



Why is Art holding back on how much he really likes this machine. He usually is not this reserved.

I was thinking the same. I'm hoping he was either late receiving said evaluation sample or it is just so incredibly and overwhelmingly perfect that

he cannot tear himself away front the theater long enough to write the critique .


I wonder if Sony will be so kind as to let me do my own evaluation on this unit, would make my upgrade process simple for sure.


As I don't expect a lot of 4K content for a long time I just want to know what the PQ difference will be in my home theater compared to the HW50ES I have now.

Unless the PQ is substantially different displaying 1080 content on my 120" diagonal SI Solar 4K 1.3 gain screen I see no reason to switch now.


Where do I sign up for the loaner ??
 
#598 ·

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Originally Posted by roxiedog13  /t/1489090/sony-vpl-vw500es-4k-projector-2013/570#post_23804482


I was thinking the same. I'm hoping he was either late receiving said evaluation sample or it is just so incredibly and overwhelmingly perfect that

he cannot tear himself away front the theater long enough to write the critique .


I wonder if Sony will be so kind as to let me do my own evaluation on this unit, would make my upgrade process simple for sure.


As I don't expect a lot of 4K content for a long time I just want to know what the PQ difference will be in my home theater compared to the HW50ES I have now.

Unless the PQ is substantially different displaying 1080 content on my 120" diagonal SI Solar 4K 1.3 gain screen I see no reason to switch now.


Where do I sign up for the loaner ??


The PQ difference (improvement) will be huge based on my 1000ES. I have not seen the 600ES yet though living here on AVS I feel I have been married to it for 7 years and still going strong trying new positions every night. Then again since all I have is a 1000ES, the stuff about the 600ES is in my fantasy world.
 
#599 ·

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Originally Posted by mark haflich  /t/1489090/sony-vpl-vw500es-4k-projector-2013/570#post_23805208


The PQ difference (improvement) will be huge based on my 1000ES. I have not seen the 600ES yet though living here on AVS I feel I have been married to it for 7 years and still going strong trying new positions every night. Then again since all I have is a 1000ES, the stuff about the 600ES is in my fantasy world.

I could see a difference ( improvement) being substantial if comparing 4K content to 1080P , but you are saying that even on 1080P content the PQ difference is huge???

I've upgraded several times and I have seen improvements, but usually not any where near the level usually claimed, well, by my standards that is.

Will be interesting to see what Art has to say. The 600ES is a notch below what you have for lens and lumens, this review should,I hope, give me the

better picture. Excuse the pun
 
#600 ·

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Originally Posted by roxiedog13  /t/1489090/sony-vpl-vw500es-4k-projector-2013/570#post_23805787


I could see a difference ( improvement) being substantial if comparing 4K content to 1080P , but you are saying that even on 1080P content the PQ difference is huge???

I've upgraded several times and I have seen improvements, but usually not any where near the level usually claimed, well, by my standards that is.

Will be interesting to see what Art has to say. The 600ES is a notch below what you have for lens and lumens, this review should,I hope, give me the

better picture. Excuse the pun

if you're skeptical, then wait for multiple opinions on the final product. Certainly Cine4home will be posting his review soon and it doesn't get much more objective than his info.


We're also going to be reviewing the VW600 as soon as it's released and I've had countless HW50's in my HT over the last year.
 
#601 ·

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Originally Posted by zombie10k  /t/1489090/sony-vpl-vw500es-4k-projector-2013/600#post_23805813


if you're skeptical, then wait for multiple opinions on the final product. Certainly Cine4home will be posting his review soon and it doesn't get much more objective than his info.


We're also going to be reviewing the VW600 as soon as it's released and I've had countless HW50's in my HT over the last year.

Yes multiple reviews are what I want. I have a deposit / preorder payment on a 600ES, well 500ES here in Canada, so my decision has to be made within a couple of weeks or I have to forfeit my deposit.

My HW50ES is no slouch and the brightness will be the same as the 600ES. I know the PQ 4K will be great and yes, I know all the other features, certainly a plus.


The PQ compared to my HW50ES is what I am holding out for. Going to have to be the HUGE improvement the Mark is claiming or else I keep what I have.
 
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