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Why buy the 600ES at street bundled with the server and tablet when you can for just a relatively small amount more get a checked out 1000ES and get it upgraded to a 1100ES near the same time the 600ES starts shipping? B stocks of the 1000ES won't last long.
Everything that you want now will be cheaper in a year. A brand new car looses 25% once it is driven off the lot, this is the way it has always been, just cycles faster now. If you want the new model of anything the premium will be highest. Wait a year and most of the consumer electronics
items are down to almost half but buy then there is a new model with better features and guess what, IT WILL BE EXPENSIVE.
Timing is everything as is budget and personal needs. I'm having a hard time making a leap from a $4K PJ to $15K especially when I know it will be down to 60% of this within a couple of years.
I've just been told by our distributor here in the UK that the 4k server which is to be bundled in with VW500ES dealer demo units will not be the FMP-X1. I really do hope that Sony make some provision for 4K content over here in Europe during 2014. If not the FMP-X1 then maybe the PS4?
We've also had a confirmation of November for the shipping of dealer demo units and the first consumer units in the UK. So another month to wait. I can tell it's going to go slowly...... I haven't been as excited as this about a new projector for many years.
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Originally Posted by roxiedog13 /t/1489090/sony-vpl-vw500es-4k-projector-2013/540#post_23793583
Bat cave, walls are deep flat maroon, the ceiling is black. No outside light at all. PJ is 13.5 feet from the screen mounted in line with the top of the frame. Screen is a Screen Innovations
Solar 4K 1.3 gain ( actual measured is 1.37). Screen is CIH 120" diagonal for 2:35 and 95: for 16:9 .
In 3 D mode I run bright cinema mode, Cinema 1, RC off, gamma 9, sharpness min, . Glasses are on max brightness or level 3 of 4 cannot remember now. This is all I can recall, I can
fill in the settings not mentioned later if you feel I may have something amiss.
Watched Hugo in 3D late night and to be honest it was incredible. Could be a little brighter, and I did notice ghosting from time to time. Have never noticed the flicker that others have mentioned.
PQ was awsome, again aside from the feeling it was a little dim.
I'm just saying I would not want to loose brightness if I step up to the 600ES. Lot of money to loose out in any aspect.
I was using the information that you posted earlier:
Originally Posted by roxiedog13
"Has anyone figured out if the new VPL-600ES has less brightness in 3D over the 50ES because it lacks the lamp pulsing? I have the 50ES now but would be disappointed to loose any brightness.
Both are rated 1700Lumens and the 50ES is already on the dim side even on my SI 4K Solar 16:9 92" diagonal 1.3 gain.
Hard to give up anything with this kind of price jump."
I should have gone back and re-calculated. I was using mid throw, so a shorter throw, not a longer throw. The 19FL was for 3D not 2D. With a 92" diagonal SI Solar 4K screen (1.37 gain) and 13'-5" of throw you are looking at:
Best image mode, low lamp 2D, 34FL
Best image mode high lamp 2D, 49FL
3D, 17/18FL
This is why I can't imagine your 3D is dim. Something just does not sound right with your setup. 17/18FL in 3D is probably brighter than 99% of the front projector population. From the above post, it looks like your screen is actually 95" diagonal when shooting 16:9.
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 /t/1489090/sony-vpl-vw500es-4k-projector-2013/570#post_23797905
I was using the information that you posted earlier:
Originally Posted by roxiedog13
"Has anyone figured out if the new VPL-600ES has less brightness in 3D over the 50ES because it lacks the lamp pulsing? I have the 50ES now but would be disappointed to loose any brightness.
Both are rated 1700Lumens and the 50ES is already on the dim side even on my SI 4K Solar 16:9 92" diagonal 1.3 gain.
Hard to give up anything with this kind of price jump."
I should have gone back and re-calculated. I was using mid throw, so a shorter throw, not a longer throw. The 19FL was for 3D not 2D. With a 92" diagonal SI Solar 4K screen (1.37 gain) and 13'-5" of throw you are looking at:
Best image mode, low lamp 2D, 34FL
Best image mode high lamp 2D, 49FL
3D, 17/18FL
This is why I can't imagine your 3D is dim. Something just does not sound right with your setup. 17/18FL in 3D is probably brighter than 99% of the front projector population. From the above post, it looks like your screen is actually 95" diagonal when shooting 16:9.
True. It would either cost me $ 80K this year for the Titan LED projector ( plus the actual cost of the divorce ), or $ 80 - 100K next year for the 4K DLP Titan and the actual cost of the divorce..........................
Hi Chris. Long time. I don't think anybody posting on the forum knows or even has a clue what the referenced chip is. You have stumped the boys in the band.
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Originally Posted by whitetrash66 /t/1489090/sony-vpl-vw500es-4k-projector-2013/540#post_23793112
Art posted his impressions of the vw600es at the projectorreviews blog. He had it in his house for several hours and got to see a lot more than at Celia. He states that he loved the pic quality, and 3d. The main difference between the it and the vw1000 are black levels. But apparently they are as good or better than the vw95, and that's with 1700 lumens. He states that the 4k pic quality is mind blowing and he would rather have it than the new jvc projectors, despite the black level advantage. Good read.
I was thinking the same. I'm hoping he was either late receiving said evaluation sample or it is just so incredibly and overwhelmingly perfect that
he cannot tear himself away front the theater long enough to write the critique .
I wonder if Sony will be so kind as to let me do my own evaluation on this unit, would make my upgrade process simple for sure.
As I don't expect a lot of 4K content for a long time I just want to know what the PQ difference will be in my home theater compared to the HW50ES I have now.
Unless the PQ is substantially different displaying 1080 content on my 120" diagonal SI Solar 4K 1.3 gain screen I see no reason to switch now.
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Originally Posted by roxiedog13 /t/1489090/sony-vpl-vw500es-4k-projector-2013/570#post_23804482
I was thinking the same. I'm hoping he was either late receiving said evaluation sample or it is just so incredibly and overwhelmingly perfect that
he cannot tear himself away front the theater long enough to write the critique .
I wonder if Sony will be so kind as to let me do my own evaluation on this unit, would make my upgrade process simple for sure.
As I don't expect a lot of 4K content for a long time I just want to know what the PQ difference will be in my home theater compared to the HW50ES I have now.
Unless the PQ is substantially different displaying 1080 content on my 120" diagonal SI Solar 4K 1.3 gain screen I see no reason to switch now.
The PQ difference (improvement) will be huge based on my 1000ES. I have not seen the 600ES yet though living here on AVS I feel I have been married to it for 7 years and still going strong trying new positions every night. Then again since all I have is a 1000ES, the stuff about the 600ES is in my fantasy world.
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Originally Posted by mark haflich /t/1489090/sony-vpl-vw500es-4k-projector-2013/570#post_23805208
The PQ difference (improvement) will be huge based on my 1000ES. I have not seen the 600ES yet though living here on AVS I feel I have been married to it for 7 years and still going strong trying new positions every night. Then again since all I have is a 1000ES, the stuff about the 600ES is in my fantasy world.
I could see a difference ( improvement) being substantial if comparing 4K content to 1080P , but you are saying that even on 1080P content the PQ difference is huge???
I've upgraded several times and I have seen improvements, but usually not any where near the level usually claimed, well, by my standards that is.
Will be interesting to see what Art has to say. The 600ES is a notch below what you have for lens and lumens, this review should,I hope, give me the
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Originally Posted by roxiedog13 /t/1489090/sony-vpl-vw500es-4k-projector-2013/570#post_23805787
I could see a difference ( improvement) being substantial if comparing 4K content to 1080P , but you are saying that even on 1080P content the PQ difference is huge???
I've upgraded several times and I have seen improvements, but usually not any where near the level usually claimed, well, by my standards that is.
Will be interesting to see what Art has to say. The 600ES is a notch below what you have for lens and lumens, this review should,I hope, give me the
if you're skeptical, then wait for multiple opinions on the final product. Certainly Cine4home will be posting his review soon and it doesn't get much more objective than his info.
We're also going to be reviewing the VW600 as soon as it's released and I've had countless HW50's in my HT over the last year.
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Originally Posted by zombie10k /t/1489090/sony-vpl-vw500es-4k-projector-2013/600#post_23805813
if you're skeptical, then wait for multiple opinions on the final product. Certainly Cine4home will be posting his review soon and it doesn't get much more objective than his info.
We're also going to be reviewing the VW600 as soon as it's released and I've had countless HW50's in my HT over the last year.
Yes multiple reviews are what I want. I have a deposit / preorder payment on a 600ES, well 500ES here in Canada, so my decision has to be made within a couple of weeks or I have to forfeit my deposit.
My HW50ES is no slouch and the brightness will be the same as the 600ES. I know the PQ 4K will be great and yes, I know all the other features, certainly a plus.
The PQ compared to my HW50ES is what I am holding out for. Going to have to be the HUGE improvement the Mark is claiming or else I keep what I have.
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