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HW50ES with 20 hrs mounted 13.6 feet from a 120" diagonal 2.35:1 Screen Inovations Solar 4K 1.37 gain screen, factory supplied glasses.

Almost good enough in 3D but still lacking in the brightness for my taste. 2D widescreen is incredible, cannot get any better as far as I am concerned.

Would switching to the VPL1000ES do it in 3D using the same screen I wonder ?
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Buy a second one and stack them, will be a lot brighter than the Sony vw1000 and a lot cheaper
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Buy a second one and stack them, will be a lot brighter than the Sony vw1000 and a lot cheaper

That's practical for almost nobody.
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That's practical for almost nobody.

Whys that?
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Why is that not practical? Is it cost or a lack of ideal placement for 2 projectors. I have 2 Benq W7000 stacked and use the omega system with my SI 110" zero edge 1.4 screen. I also just bought the VNS G-501 to perfectly align the two projectors for use in 2d and 3d. The picture is quite good with more than enough light output for 3d. My costs are below $6000.00 for the entire setup. Isn't the Sony close to $25,000.00.
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HW50ES with 20 hrs mounted 13.6 feet from a 120" diagonal 2.35:1 Screen Inovations Solar 4K 1.37 gain screen, factory supplied glasses.

Almost good enough in 3D but still lacking in the brightness for my taste. 2D widescreen is incredible, cannot get any better as far as I am concerned.

Would switching to the VPL1000ES do it in 3D using the same screen I wonder ?

Just finished a 15 minute session watching Epic 3D on my 1000. My screen is 140'' wide........so yes, bright enough to watch with no problems. I shrunk the screen down to 120'' wide and was much brighter and had a color punch to it. I only spent 15 minutes due to Chip Kelly's debut with the Eagles......................glad to see him gone......tired of him beating up on my Trojans! biggrin.gif

With your screen size, maybe the 1000 has enough brightness for your tastes..........I've seen the Sony HW50 and the image it throws is nowhere near the quality nor brightness of 1000ES.......but then again, you are looking at more than 6-7 times the price.

I just posted in my build thread stating the same........................
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Just finished a 15 minute session watching Epic 3D on my 1000. My screen is 140'' wide........so yes, bright enough to watch with no problems. I shrunk the screen down to 120'' wide and was much brighter and had a color punch to it. I only spent 15 minutes due to Chip Kelly's debut with the Eagles......................glad to see him gone......tired of him beating up on my Trojans! biggrin.gif

With your screen size, maybe the 1000 has enough brightness for your tastes..........I've seen the Sony HW50 and the image it throws is nowhere near the quality nor brightness of 1000ES.......but then again, you are looking at more than 6-7 times the price.

I just posted in my build thread stating the same........................

I am very happy with 2D on my 120" diagonal 2.35:1 screen, in-fact, the picture is stunning and this is without a anamorphic lens, just zoomed only.

When I run 3D it is usually 16:9 so this makes a 96" diagonal image. To me the image is not bright enough, getting close but still not there.

Just read a ouple of reviews on the 1000 and the authors still complained about the lack of brightness in 3D. If the 1000 is going to be an option
I will have to know that it will do the job.

Next option is $30,000 but it is a light canon that can double the 1000 's lumen output. The HighLite Cine 330-3D-HC has three 330 watt bulbs
and triple DLP. No lens memory, 1080 though . 1080 is ok, no lens memory means having to physically adjust and would likely need anamorphic.
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wow your willing to spend 25k more for bright 3d? you must love your 3d, if i had that kind of cash laying around i would pick up a dodge challenger or some other weekend car.
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Next option is $30,000 but it is a light canon that can double the 1000 's lumen output. The HighLite Cine 330-3D-HC has three 330 watt bulbs
and triple DLP. No lens memory, 1080 though . 1080 is ok, no lens memory means having to physically adjust and would likely need anamorphic.

1080p is stellar on my 12ft screen.....................native 4k will send it to the stratosphere! To each his own.......................last night was probably my last viewing of 3D. Not my cup of tea.
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If its just for 3d I would just buy a bright DLP strictly for 3d. I don't understand how the only option is ~$3k projector to $25k projector.

Get the new BenQ w7500 or some other DLP which is bright for 3d. Or, the best option, is doublestacking.

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wow your willing to spend 25k more for bright 3d? you must love your 3d, if i had that kind of cash laying around i would pick up a dodge challenger or some other weekend car.

I believe if I spent $30K the projector just might have a few other options that make the purchase worth while. Not JUST for 3D but for ALL the other options. Then again, maybe I do like 3D enough to make that kind of outlay , I suppose it all boils down to
what are my personal preferences, my money, so my choices. For example, I have a weekend car, a weekend bike and also a weekend plane. Some may not like my choices, fair enough, then again I wouldn't have a Dodge if it were given to me, but that is
my choice too .
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If its just for 3d I would just buy a bright DLP strictly for 3d. I don't understand how the only option is ~$3k projector to $25k projector.

Get the new BenQ w7500 or some other DLP which is bright for 3d. Or, the best option, is doublestacking.

I considered the same but was told by the "experts" that it would not be necessary. My theater is finished now and I'm not in the mood to tear it up. I would have done one of the above if I had known.
First I'm going to play with projector settings, aftermarket glasses and settings or possibly a drop down screen with higher gain for 3D only.

Thanks for the feedback.
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I am very happy with 2D on my 120" diagonal 2.35:1 screen, in-fact, the picture is stunning and this is without a anamorphic lens, just zoomed only.

When I run 3D it is usually 16:9 so this makes a 96" diagonal image. To me the image is not bright enough, getting close but still not there.

Just read a couple of reviews on the 1000 and the authors still complained about the lack of brightness in 3D. If the 1000 is going to be an option
I will have to know that it will do the job.


Next option is $30,000 but it is a light canon that can double the 1000 's lumen output. The HighLite Cine 330-3D-HC has three 330 watt bulbs
and triple DLP. No lens memory, 1080 though . 1080 is ok, no lens memory means having to physically adjust and would likely need anamorphic.

The VW1000 is putting out ~1000 lumens in 3D mode, the HW50 is ~900, there is not going to be a substantial difference here.

acceptable 3D bright is very subjective. Some are ok with low ft-L, others like myself want it be as bright as 2D at the minimum. I use a 2.8 gain High Powered screen and any projector with ~1000 3D lumens looks excellent since i am getting full gain with my current setup.

Adding a 2nd HW50 would save you alot of $$ here. It's a bit of a pain to mount 2 projectors and align them depending on your setup, but it definitely works and will noticeably increase the brightness through the glasses.
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I believe if I spent $30K the projector just might have a few other options that make the purchase worth while. Not JUST for 3D but for ALL the other options. Then again, maybe I do like 3D enough to make that kind of outlay , I suppose it all boils down to
what are my personal preferences, my money, so my choices. For example, I have a weekend car, a weekend bike and also a weekend plane. Some may not like my choices, fair enough, then again I wouldn't have a Dodge if it were given to me, but that is
my choice too .

theres no doubt that purchasing a 25k pj is gonna be better in almost every way, but you obviously started out with the sony 50es for a reason, im not trying to imply that you dont have the money to purchace a vw1000 but thats a huge price difference between the 2. I recomended the stack idea because of the lower price point and would accomplish the inteded purpose of giving you brighter 3d. I and others here are just trying to share our knowledge and help you out going buy what you own and what your trying to accomplish. It would be one thing if you owend a vw1000 and said 3d is not bright enough then a 3 chip dlp would be the answer, most people dont want to start out spending $3500 and jump to 30k.
and if you do thats fine, but thats not the typical recomodation folks are looking for here on this forum.
as far as the dodge thing goes i was just throwing out weekend car thing:)

keep us posted!
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if I was going to spend 30k for a projection set up, i'd be buying two projectors and saving a lot of money.

there doesn't seem to be many sub 5k (or even 10k) projectors that can do it all really well. but there's plenty of sub 5k projectors that do one thing nearly the best of any price range.

for me, I don't care at all about 3d, but pretending I did, i'd buy a super bright DLP for 3d and pair it with a JVC for 2d. then again, the 3D I've seen on the x35 is bright enough and clear enough for me. it's not ghosting and a dim picture that stops me from watching 3D. it's the 3D itself that annoys me.

but i'm still looking at a two projector setup being the most practical for my needs. i'd use a business model LED/Laser projector to be my 'instant on', gaming, and watching basic TV solution to save the bulb life for the jvc. it's a lot cheaper than buying a LED projector capable of the same PQ the jvc can display.

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If you're really into 3D, bright 3D and have the budget, you might want to talk to CINERAMAX
http://cineramax.com/
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1384692/teranex-2d-3d-not-just-for-millionaires-any-more

See what an anamorphoscopic lens can do, see movies the way they were meant to be seen
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now we're talking.. Let's sell him some of the twin Barco's that Wolfgang uses to light up his 7m screen...

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that will be nuclear reaction bright on a 120" 2:35:1 low gain screen. biggrin.gif
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theres no doubt that purchasing a 25k pj is gonna be better in almost every way, but you obviously started out with the sony 50es for a reason, im not trying to imply that you dont have the money to purchace a vw1000 but thats a huge price difference between the 2. I recomended the stack idea because of the lower price point and would accomplish the inteded purpose of giving you brighter 3d. I and others here are just trying to share our knowledge and help you out going buy what you own and what your trying to accomplish. It would be one thing if you owend a vw1000 and said 3d is not bright enough then a 3 chip dlp would be the answer, most people dont want to start out spending $3500 and jump to 30k.
and if you do thats fine, but thats not the typical recomodation folks are looking for here on this forum.
as far as the dodge thing goes i was just throwing out weekend car thing:)

keep us posted!

Indeed $3500 to $30,000 is a massive jump . I would indeed be better off to stack a second projector and keep the marriage, also a little cheaper. For now I'm first going to try to tweak what I have in the setting and second try a high gain secondary screen .
Even the new Sony VPL-500ES is the same 1700 lumens that I have now, the few other features are not worth $11,000 and the then double this for the VPL-1000ES and gain only a little, it's just not worth it.

I had the JVCRS45 and my gut feeling was to keep this and buy a second projector for 3D. Should have gone with my instincts and not listed to others. Anyway, not the end of the world, will take some time to play with this for a while and make a better
informed decision later.
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Indeed $3500 to $30,000 is a massive jump . I would indeed be better off to stack a second projector and keep the marriage, also a little cheaper. For now I'm first going to try to tweak what I have in the setting and second try a high gain secondary screen .
Even the new Sony VPL-500ES is the same 1700 lumens that I have now, the few other features are not worth $11,000 and the then double this for the VPL-1000ES and gain only a little, it's just not worth it.

I had the JVCRS45 and my gut feeling was to keep this and buy a second projector for 3D. Should have gone with my instincts and not listed to others. Anyway, not the end of the world, will take some time to play with this for a while and make a better
informed decision later.

Good luck, and let us know how it goes. There was a thread here about a guy that stacked the HW50 with an HW30 (I think) and he absolutely loved the results. It's worth looking into.

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The VW1000 is putting out ~1000 lumens in 3D mode, the HW50 is ~900, there is not going to be a substantial difference here.

acceptable 3D bright is very subjective. Some are ok with low ft-L, others like myself want it be as bright as 2D at the minimum. I use a 2.8 gain High Powered screen and any projector with ~1000 3D lumens looks excellent since i am getting full gain with my current setup.

Adding a 2nd HW50 would save you alot of $$ here. It's a bit of a pain to mount 2 projectors and align them depending on your setup, but it definitely works and will noticeably increase the brightness through the glasses.

I may go with a high gain 2.8 gain screen just for 3D. Rather than stacking two projectors this could be the easiest option. I'd leave the SI 1.3 gain 2.35 on the wall for 2D and have a in ceiling drop down 16:9, 2.8 gain for 3D. The only problem then
would be the projector would not quite be centered as it is only 12" below a 7.5' ceiling . I'll have to really look at this closely before I move on the idea, may be worth a try. 2.8 and the viewing cone is another issue, dam, it isn't easy is it .
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