Originally Posted by Kris Deering
If your buying now for 4K Bluray future proofing your kidding yourself. Holiday 2015 at the earliest, which is two projector cycles away and nearly two AVR cycles. Other than whatever Atmos brings to the market (which doesn't require any new hdmi or HDCP) there will be nothing on the market that needs anything they are talking about for current features when it comes to video unless your part of the .01% that uses the Sony stuff. I've said it in a few reviews and posts this year, anything your buying now or in the near future should be considered for what is in the market now and not toward any future 4K format. They don't even know what that will ultimately be so the CE companies aren't doing you any favors with any features they are toting now.
Originally Posted by zombie10k
The AVR manufacturers are always trying to come up with something new each year to up-sell their previous model. As long as the CEM's are smart enough to put dual HDMI outputs on their UHD/4K devices, that's fine for me until a few years pass and the dust settles. I haven't had any compelling reason to replace my 2011 era Denon 4311 or the 2012 model Pioneer SC-68. Maybe ATMOS will take off, who knows.
it would be easier to switch everything through the AVR, but the dual output on the Sony 4K device works well with my setup. If 4K BD ever takes off, it's likely that co's such as OPPO will continue their tradition with dual HDMI out.
Sorry guys, but - respectfully
- you are both missing the point. For those of us who NEED to upgrade and were waiting for the next standard to materialize since last year, it is a HUGE issue.
The goalpost had, until now, been defined by the whole industry - including in this thread - as being HDMI 2.0a with HDCP 2.2. This was supposed to be what the rumoured Bluray 4K and future 4K sources would request, at least for a while. This was the next standard.
On the way there, uninformed people - or people who can afford swapping every year and are not concerned with resale value - bought HDMI 1.4 AVRs with "4K" support, "4K" projectors without HDCP 2.2 (latest e-shift JVCs), 4K projectors with HDCP 2.2 but only HDMI 2.0b speed (latest SONYs). That, I could understand. Happens all the time. I (thought I) was informed, so I decided to skip last year and keep using my trusty 3311 and my still excellent rs45 until the full speed HDMI 2.0a with HDCP 2.2 chipsets arrive. That was expected to happen by the end of this year.
My upgrade cycle is 3 years for projectors and 5 years for AVRs. Last year, it looked to me like it was a better idea to wait for HDMI 2.0a than upgrade to HDMI 2.0b interim equipment when no real content was available yet.
The shift here is that the goalpost has changed and has not been replaced by anything else. There is NO goalpost.
All these AVR and display manufacturers choosing HDMI 2.0a with NO HDCP 2.2 means that there is something else at play than just time needed to get proper 2.0a chipsets with HDCP 2.2, or that's what they would have chosen, like Onkyo and Sony did.
They are simply refusing to see HDCP 2.2 like the next protection standard, or they would do like Onkyo/Sony and choose HDMI 2.0b with HDCP 2.2 as an interim solution.
Anyway, I thought someone would know what has changed in the industry (they know or have decided that there will be no bluray 4K? They have decided to boycott Sony's content to get more weight in the BDA negotiations about bluray 4K? They want to kill off Sony who is already weak but is still trying to decide for the rest of the industry? There are backward compatibility issues between HDCP 2.2 and former versions?) but it looks like no one knows anything, or if they know are not willing/able to speak.
We need to leave the "there is never any future-proofing" level, we all know that (here).
Still, when there is a published standard (HMDI 2.0a with HDCP 2.2), and for a while it looked like slowly everyone is moving towards there, but suddenly there is a sidestep like this, it's different from the usual, cynical "I'll milk you every year as much as I can". They are shooting themselves in the foot because IMHO it announces a new standard war.
As far as I'm concerned, there is NO upcoming 4K/UHD standard as of now until I understand what's going on, so I freeze all purchase, at least until 4K projectors cost less than a kidney (I can't afford to throw away an 1100ES or even a 500/600ES next year just because they have decided to change what was supposed to be the next standard for a content protected path).
/rant off. I promise
EDIT: And I admit defeat about Bluray 4K, it clearly won't happen by the end of this year, I'm not even sure it will happen at all. Mark, your cigars are on the way. You were right all along