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post #1051 of 2712 Old 07-18-2014, 11:12 PM
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I am hopefully optimistic that we will see 4K BD in 2015. I think the odds are in favor of it. I don't think there will be much available, but I think there will be something out there.
I believe the same thing myself. ...And in a new improved BD, with 100Gb of storage capacity.
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I am not at all optimistic. There are many changing factors and economic politics. I just don't see a standard being adopted early enough in 2015 to result in product and source material in 2015. Remember there is little clamor from the market. We can scream all we want but we are very very few and our screaming will be heard about as largely as 100 people screaming into the wind at the ocean during a storm. Its not where the bucks are which is probably no place any more re consumer electronics.

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Mike, you are definitely in that 1% that will take the necessary steps to actually install a system needed to make Atmos worthwhile. Wouldn't you agree that the vast majority of people aren't going to install a system like that? There are a lot of people on this forum that are in that 1%, but outside this forum...
Remember this can also easily be done by using speakers with an angled tweeter on top, bouncing the sound off of the ceiling. While in my opinion, that will not be as good as actually placing speakers in the proper location on/in the ceiling, it should still work very well. I suspect many people will consider adding Atmos, if that is all they have to do. Pioneer has a system out now http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...a+Home+Theater and others will soon follow.

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And if you ceiling is acoustically treated specifically to absorb the first reflection from each LCR as mine iswith the LCR flying above the screen with respect to the c and slightly down from screen top to the left and right of the screen for the LR angled up tweeters would be relatively useless.

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And if you ceiling is acoustically treated specifically to absorb the first reflection from each LCR as mine iswith the LCR flying above the screen with respect to the c and slightly down from screen top to the left and right of the screen for the LR angled up tweeters would be relatively useless.
Seegs was talking about the average person, not updating to Atmos, due to the problem of adding speakers/wiring. Very few of those guys have treated ceilings. What they might have is high ceilings or angled ceilings and that would be a problem. For those of us with dedicated rooms, we most likely would install ceiling speakers in the proper locations, if we were going to do Atmos.

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Arrow Blu-ray discs @ true 4K (Ultra High Definition) by 2016, @ the latest.

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I am not at all optimistic. There are many changing factors and economic politics. I just don't see a standard being adopted early enough in 2015 to result in product and source material in 2015. Remember there is little clamor from the market. We can scream all we want but we are very very few and our screaming will be heard about as largely as 100 people screaming into the wind at the ocean during a storm. Its not where the bucks are which is probably no place any more re consumer electronics.
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Been watching 4k material on my new LG G3, and it looks really good. Uploaded the same photos in 4k to view on the JVC X500/RS49 and it didn't look to bad, but not quite the images I see on my phone. If 4k blu ray can look as good as the 4k material I seen, I doubt people will be upgrading anytime soon once they get a 4k projector that have the full hdmi 2.0.
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They probably look "better" on your phone because it's smaller. That's a pretty universal "truth", that images look better (sharper, clearer) when they are smaller.

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They probably look "better" on your phone because it's smaller. That's a pretty universal "truth", that images look better (sharper, clearer) when they are smaller.
It doesn't hurt that the LG G3 is in fact a Quad HD Screen at that small size. It's definitely not a normal "small" cell phone as it's designed for high resolution and use HEVC H.265.

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They probably look "better" on your phone because it's smaller. That's a pretty universal "truth", that images look better (sharper, clearer) when they are smaller.

The 4K videos do look similar to the 4K TVs at Best Buy. I'll be interested to see how an actual 4K projector look since I haven't seen 4K material on a 4K projector yet. I hear it looks great also
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Its looks like a GREAT 1080p image but with a higher pixel density. At normal viewing distances it is not sharper nor more immersive than 1080p.

I think my Sony 1100ES looks great but I think that has little to do that its 4K. Its a really high end machine and I am using a world class screen in a real good room. The promise of 4K won't exist until the color space increases and the bit length increase to handle the addressing of the additional colors and the addressing of a higher dynamic range. Getting nothing more than four times the pixels may be great for whatever reason one wants to come up with but until we get the other stuff it won't be err amazing. Although the threshold of amazing varies from observer to observer, the mean and median threshold is low and will normally be reached with the purchase of any new projector.

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Anybody care to speculate whether or not 4K Blu-Ray players will be backwards compatible with all of the same media and formats that current Blu-Ray players support? More specifically, are they likely to do a decent job of DVD upscaling and deinterlacing? Or, do you think that support for those features and formats will go by the wayside, making it a good idea to buy the best BD/DVD/SACD/etc. player you can find right now (e.g. an Oppo)?

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They will be backwards compatible with DVDs and CDs and perhaps some other optical disc formats. I wouldn't worry. I doubt we will see any 4K Bluray machines until around Cedia 2015.

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Anybody care to speculate whether or not 4K Blu-Ray players will be backwards compatible with all of the same media and formats that current Blu-Ray players support? More specifically, are they likely to do a decent job of DVD upscaling and deinterlacing? Or, do you think that support for those features and formats will go by the wayside, making it a good idea to buy the best BD/DVD/SACD/etc. player you can find right now (e.g. and Oppo)?
I think Oppo would definitely carry over those features.

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I am looking forward to 4K becoming more common place -

Prices of Blue Rays will fall making it easier to add to my library.
4K TV potentially could produce a better looking output of Blue Ray 1080p (dithering etc.)
End many speculative discussions on how large a TV (and how close one sits) to get the goodness of 4K
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Am I interested in getting 4K media playback of 4K media.....for now...uh no. I like exactly what Blue Ray gives me on my Panasonic plasma 65" TV. I see 4K in my future in 3-5 years.
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I am looking forward to 4K becoming more common place -

Prices of Blue Rays will fall making it easier to add to my library.
4K TV potentially could produce a better looking output of Blue Ray 1080p (dithering etc.)
End many speculative discussions on how large a TV (and how close one sits) to get the goodness of 4K
and the list goes on...

Am I interested in getting 4K media playback of 4K media.....for now...uh no. I like exactly what Blue Ray gives me on my Panasonic plasma 65" TV. I see 4K in my future in 3-5 years.

I agree - 3 to 5 years seems realistic. In the mean time I too continue to buy Blu Rays at fairly inexpensive prices.

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I am looking forward to 4K becoming more common place -

Prices of Blue Rays will fall making it easier to add to my library.
4K TV potentially could produce a better looking output of Blue Ray 1080p (dithering etc.)
End many speculative discussions on how large a TV (and how close one sits) to get the goodness of 4K
and the list goes on...

Am I interested in getting 4K media playback of 4K media.....for now...uh no. I like exactly what Blue Ray gives me on my Panasonic plasma 65" TV. I see 4K in my future in 3-5 years.
It's blu-ray, just to be technically accurate.

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OK. Prediction. We will see a 4K blu ray standard no later than some time next year. We will see 4K blu-ray players at Cedia 2015. Specifically in what month in 2015 or 2016 we will see a 4K blu-ray of the 5th Element? That one is missing from my collection of all versions.

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I agree - 3 to 5 years seems realistic. In the mean time I too continue to buy Blu Rays at fairly inexpensive prices.
Not to side track, but Walmart is now carrying Mill Creek (Sony titles) double features for $2.96 - including my guilty pleasure of Hudson Hawk which I picked up tonight.
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OK. Prediction. We will see a 4K blu ray standard no later than some time next year. We will see 4K blu-ray players at Cedia 2015. Specifically in what month in 2015 or 2016 we will see a 4K blu-ray of the 5th Element? That one is missing from my collection of all versions.
Hope you're right, Mark. I'm ready for a Oppo 4K player, with a good selection of disks available.
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Not to side track, but Walmart is now carrying Mill Creek (Sony titles) double features for $2.96 - including my guilty pleasure of Hudson Hawk which I picked up tonight.
Careful with Mill Creak. They can have some pretty shabby releases.

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Careful with Mill Creak. They can have some pretty shabby releases.
True. I haven't watched it yet, but the screenshots look pretty good for HH.

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OK. Prediction. We will see a 4K blu ray standard no later than some time next year. We will see 4K blu-ray players at Cedia 2015. Specifically in what month in 2015 or 2016 we will see a 4K blu-ray of the 5th Element? That one is missing from my collection of all versions.
There might be a chance we'll see a 4K release of the 5th Element "soon", since the newer Gaumont master (used for the Nordic, Japan and UK (?) release) is rumoured to be 4K. However, AFAIK Sony has not released a Blu-Ray based on the Gaumont master yet, so I'm not sure if they have access to that master.

Cedia 2015 for 4K Blu-Ray players sounds reasonable, if maybe slightly optimistic. But I'm usually optimistic myself, so yeah, sounds good to me...
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True. I haven't watched it yet, but the screenshots look pretty good for HH.
Beware, Hudson Hawk blu-ray audio is dual mono. They stuffed up. The DVD & LD were stereo.
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I believe the same thing myself. ...And in a new improved BD, with 100Gb of storage capacity.

I still think that it makes no sense that Sony would have done all it has in the 4K area without bringing software to play on it at some point. I thought we would have seen something by the end of this year but I still think we will see it.


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Just going on gut but I doubt Oppo will be an earlier issuer of 4K blu-ray players. They appear to be a refiner rather than a first to market ground up design company. A lot depends on what the standard will be and the availability and cost of full HDMI 2.0 chips with HDCP 2.2.

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Beware, Hudson Hawk blu-ray audio is dual mono. They stuffed up. The DVD & LD were stereo.
That's a bad goof-up. At least the video is decent. Glad I didn't pay more than $3.

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And you honetly think people who only needed to buy one thing (a 3D capable TV) are now going to completely renovate a room to install a whole slew of extra speakers to take advantage of Atmos in the home? If Dolby thinks average consumers are going to do this then they are naive and don't know the average consumer very well. If anything, "Atmos" is just a marketing catch phrase to get people to buy a new receiver even though 99% of them will never take advantage of the technology. 7.1 is still ultra rare what makes you think more channels is the answer to the slump in profits? Atmos is anything but the answer. We need something more easily obtainable. Higher bit depth, larger color spaces, larger screens, higher contrast/dynamic range, and higher resolution is the answer. The sum of those parts are visibly better than what we have now. It isn't something gimmicky like Atmos will be in the home.
Thank goodness for this sensible answer. DTS is claiming that with their object based metaengine they can do the object based thing without the need for additional speakers. Your last sentences from "Higher bit depth....." make the most sense Seegs. Atmos, as it is being marketed, will be a bust in the highest order with the general consumer market. In otherwords, a niche for the hardcore addicts that will be short lived.

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