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Lamp indicator

Last night I ran Audyssey after making some speaker position changes and the lamp indicator on my still very new 5030 was flashing. I turned the projector off for a few minutes then back on and it worked normal. I have 30 hours on the lamp; should I contact Epson or could this have just been a non-issue.


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Have you read the write up at Projector Reviews ? They have some good info on various settings. Worth a read.


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Changed point 3 from "SDE" to read "visible pixel structure"

3D issue

Just got my 5030ub a couple of days ago. My first LCD projector. Very pleased except for three issues: 1) 3D crosstalk 2) 3D glasses fitting 3) visible pixel structure

1) 3D crosstalk. Seems to vary across blu-rays. But Iron Man 3 is very bad. I have tried adjusting depth (and screen size) in the 3D settings to reduce crosstalk but adjustment is not uniform across the picture. Specifically, if I adjust to eliminate ghosting at one part of the picture, it gets worse at another. It seems related to the depth position of the image - eg. if I fix the part of the image popping out, ghosting in middle depth part of the image increases.

See here for a fuller explanation: http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/3d...alk-artifacts/


2) Glasses fit. I wear big wayfarer glasses and the 3D glasses fit over them is not good. Does anyone know how to remove the nose support? It doesn't seem to be attached by hex or phillips screws.

3) I sit very close to the screen 3m (10'). At 100" sized screen I get minimal visible pixel structure. But at 120" (the size I was planning to go to) - it's very noticeable. For comparison, my Optoma HD33 DLP projector is fine at 120" (but too dim - hence my upgrade to the Epson). Anyway, live and learn. nothing wrong with the projector - moral of the story - do full research first!

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3D issue

Just got my 5030ub a couple of days ago. My first LCD projector. Very pleased except for three issues: 1) 3D crosstalk 2) 3D glasses fitting 3) screendoor effect

1) 3D crosstalk. Seems to vary across blu-rays. But Iron Man 3 is very bad. I have tried adjusting depth (and screen size) in the 3D settings to reduce crosstalk but adjustment is not uniform across the picture. Specifically, if I adjust to eliminate ghosting at one part of the picture, it gets worse at another. It seems related to the depth position of the image - eg. if I fix the part of the image popping out, ghosting in middle depth part of the image increases.

See here for a fuller explanation: http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/3d...alk-artifacts/


2) Glasses fit. I wear big wayfarer glasses and the 3D glasses fit over them is not good. Does anyone know how to remove the nose support? It doesn't seem to be attached by hex or phillips screws.

3) I sit very close to the screen 3m (10'). At 100" sized screen I get no screen door effect. But at 120" (the size I was planning to go to) - it's very noticeable. For comparison, my Optoma HD33 DLP projector is fine at 120" (but too dim - hence my upgrade to the Epson). Anyway, live and learn. nothing wrong with the projector - moral of the story - do full research first!
Pixel spacing is closer together on an LCOS projector. That is one reason why people like the Sony's and JVC's. Screen door is not an issue with them.

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Hey guys. I've been wondering for some time now if my Epson 5030 projector would benefit from doing a panel alignment. I've attached a couple pics to get some opinions. Also, I've went back and read the steps posted on how to perform a panel alignment and it doesn't really make sense. Can someone explain exactly how that works? Thanks for the help.








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1) 3D crosstalk. Seems to vary across blu-rays. But Iron Man 3 is very bad.
Watched Tron last night - the problem is not nearly as bad - I still suspect that my old Optoma HD33 was better - but possibly the overall better picture quality of the Epson makes the crosstalk more apparent.

Thanks for the LCOS suggestion - will checkout - anything price-wise comparable you can suggest?
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How close to a 120 inch screen do you need to be with the 5030ub to start to see SDE? I will be somewhere between 10 - 14 feet away.
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How close to a 120 inch screen do you need to be with the 5030ub to start to see SDE? I will be somewhere between 10 - 14 feet away.
I have a 120" screen as well and sit about 13 feet away from mine and can't detect any SDE whatsoever.

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Would I be ok at 10 feet do you think? The wife wants a back sitting ledge behind the couch and If I do that it pushes my main seating up to around 10 - 11ish feet or so. I really don't want to go smaller on the screen. And my plan is to leave the back "ledge" free floating so when not needed I can push it back against the wall flush and the couch can be back 3 feet or so. But I'm concerned for anyone sitting closer. I guess at what distance from your screen do you start to detect SDE?

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How close to a 120 inch screen do you need to be with the 5030ub to start to see SDE? I will be somewhere between 10 - 14 feet away.
At 10', yes it is a very real possibility. At 14' no. 10' viewing is 1.15 screen widths. 14' is 1.62 screen widths.

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OK thanks. I'll be shining it on the wall first before deciding on a screen so i guess when the time comes I'll be able to judge for myself. I wish my room was a bit deeper!
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Would I be ok at 10 feet do you think?
At roughly 12' I have a difficult time focusing on the entire image with a 120" diagonal image. Such that you can't see or focus on the entire image at once. I rarely see this "issue" addressed. At any closer I would probably be viewing half the image at any one time. Even now I'd guess I see roughly three quarters of it... without forcing myself to focus on the entire image which quickly gets rather uncomfortable.
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At roughly 12' I have a difficult time focusing on the entire image with a 120" diagonal image. Such that you can't see or focus on the entire image at once. I rarely see this "issue" addressed. At any closer I would probably be viewing half the image at any one time. Even now I'd guess I see roughly three quarters of it... without forcing myself to focus on the entire image which quickly gets rather uncomfortable.
Besides SDE and other artifacts one can see being close to the screen, your post illustrates how one needs to figure out if they are a front row, middle of the theater or near the back of the theater person. That helps determine how big a screen and how close. Me, 12' 6" from a 122" diagonal 16:9 and 128" diagonal 2.35:1 screen seems about right !

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Besides SDE and other artifacts one can see being close to the screen, your post illustrates how one needs to figure out if they are a front row, middle of the theater or near the back of the theater person.
I agree there is the "How close one prefers to sit" comfort factor but I think this is some what of a different issue. I guess I would define it more as how many degrees (wide) can one focus on for any length of time. I know for a fact I can't focus on my entire screen for any length of time. My eyes are too stained. When I watch a movie my eyes only focus on a section of the screen at a time. I have seen 30 degrees recommended as a minimum... I wonder what the maximum should be. THX states 40 degrees should be the maximum (1.2 viewing distance).

I'm not saying that's a bad thing per se rather I'm just commenting on that fact (for me) I never really see the entire image as I would in my den with my 60" diagonal image from roughly the same distance.
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Maybe, but this is " home theater ". 60" = big TV. I don't find my screens seem all that big anymore. I watched another episode of 24 last night - no problem focusing on the entire screen!

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Well I went down and did some closer measuring. So if I do a small sitting ledge with a width of 12 or 13 inches (yes pretty small but will do) that would push my seating up to 11-12 inches to your eyeballs. With it pushed back to the wall when not using the sitting ledge the viewers eyes will be closer to 14-15 inches from the screen. Again I'll be shining the pj on the wall before purchasing any screens so i can play with size and ratios. But I think I'll be good. I guess I could if I have to go down to around the 110 inch diag screen. We shall see.

I'm really interested to see what the 5040ub will have to offer next month! I doubt there will be any difference in the SDE issue but It will be nice to see if the new model will be worth picking up or if it will be just as good to find a 5030 on sale.
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At roughly 12' I have a difficult time focusing on the entire image with a 120" diagonal image. Such that you can't see or focus on the entire image at once. I rarely see this "issue" addressed. At any closer I would probably be viewing half the image at any one time. Even now I'd guess I see roughly three quarters of it... without forcing myself to focus on the entire image which quickly gets rather uncomfortable.
Is your screen 16:9 or scope? I view a 9' wide 2.40 from 9', no problem, but no way I could I view a 9' wide 16:9 screen from 9'. It is the height, not width that is the limiting factor for 16:9.

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Is your screen 16:9 or scope?
Mine is 16:9 and it's mounted at pretty close to a perfect height... my eyes line up roughly 1/3 the way up the screen's height. I'm guessing closer to 40 per cent would be ideal. I just sat in the center seat and tried to focus on each edge of the screen. For top and bottom I can feel my eyes move ever so slightly. For each side I can feel my eyes move dramatically farther... I'm guessing several times. Which leads me to believe I can only focus on roughly half the screen at any one time.

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Mine is 16:9 and it's mounted at pretty close to a perfect height... my eyes line up roughly 1/3 the way up the screen's height. I'm guessing closer to 40 per cent would be ideal. I just sat in the center seat and tried to focus on each edge of the screen. For top and bottom I can feel my eyes move ever so slightly. For each side I can feel my eyes move dramatically farther... I'm guessing several times. Which leads me to believe I can only focus on roughly half the screen at any one time.
I have the same issue with focus. No matter how much I try, I can only get about 70% of the screen in close to perfect focus. It's either, slightly blurry left and right sides with a perfectly focused center, or vice versa. For some reason, no matter what focus adjustment I'm on, I can never get the bottom right of the screen in perfect focus. It's just frustrating that I seem to always have to re-adjust almost every time I restart the projector.

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I have the same issue with focus. No matter how much I try, I can only get about 70% of the screen in close to perfect focus.
Sorry, it's not explained well but this is completely different. Nothing to do with the projector or its image. Rather my eye site. However most projectors warm up and their focus will change during this period so it's best not to focus right after turning it on. Wait 30 minutes (or longer) and have patience the next time you turn it on... don't check it until it's warmed up.
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Sorry, it's not explained well but this is completely different. Nothing to do with the projector or its image. Rather my eye site. However most projectors warm up and their focus will change during this period so it's best not to focus right after turning it on. Wait 30 minutes (or longer) and have patience the next time you turn it on... don't check it until it's warmed up.
Sorry about that :-) Thanks for the info!

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I just mounted my new 5030ub yesterday to replace my Panny AU200. I had a little issue with alignment onto my screen with my Panny but it's worse with the a Epson. The issue is if I get the image large enough to fit the top and bottom I have a good amount of spill over on the sides. If I get it lined up on the sides I have 2-3 inches of black on top and bottom. I can't for the life of me figure out how to correct this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. It's ceiling mounted about 20 feet back from my 106 inch screen BTW.
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^^ Sounds to me like your screen does not have an aspect ratio of 16:9. Measure the width of the screen area, then divide by the measured height of the screen area. You'll probably find it's marginally smaller than 1.78.

Assuming that all four edges of the image are parallel to their respective edges of the screen, this is the only explanation that I can think of.

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...The issue is if I get the image large enough to fit the top and bottom I have a good amount of spill over on the sides. If I get it lined up on the sides I have 2-3 inches of black on top and bottom...

Make sure you're not using any keystone correction, because that blanks out part of the picture so it's no longer exactly 16:9.

If that's not it, and the projected picture is a perfect rectangle (not skewed), then the screen may well not be exactly 16:9.

Use the PATTERN button on the remote to put up a picture that's good for checking if all four sides of the picture are parallel to the screen edges.
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I think you maybe right. The screen looks off. Always have and the terrible company I used wouldn't fix it. Thanks.
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Regarding 3d, for what it's worth my opinion is that dynamic setting with 3D brightness (glasses) at low produces the most watchable image with the least amount of ghosting. A post a while back offered some calibration settings for 3D dynamic and I've mostly followed those settings; although it still has a bit too much red. The Owls of Ga'hoole has the best at home 3D picture I've seen on the Epson. Simply stunning. My depth setting was at 0. Yet on Gravity it's better at 2. Noah in 2D was overall the best image I've seen on blu ray. Amazing on the Epson. I say this because people still post if there is something wrong with their projector or set up. The picture should look outstanding! If it doesn't, something is amiss. Thank you for letting me post. I love this projector! And mine is quiet at 3D dynamic too!
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