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pacemaker's Avatar pacemaker 11:24 AM 08-19-2014
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Sorry if theses questions gave been asked before but need quick answers to following

Why is this PJ so overpriced in the UK? Should be around £1800 when compared to $ prices?
Upgrading from a TW3600 which had to be swapped out a number of times due to bad convergence. Does the digital adjustment eliminate the problem?

Considering this alongside the new Sony HW40es which has lcos panel alignment plus costs a lot less in UK.

Thanks
sorry to quote myself, but anyone got answer for me
cheers

willymo's Avatar willymo 08:48 AM 08-20-2014
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What brand screen are you using, and what gain? Also since this is an lcd projector, are you not going to get SDE no matter what?
I'm using a Vapex tab-tensioned 100 inch electronic drop down screen. It has a 1:1 gain and I feel it's a terrific bargain. I personally don't see SDE from my seating position and have to get pretty close to the screen to see the individual pixels, but others have had some issues with it. It has got to be based on the throw distance and seating distance, I would imagine.
McGuireV10's Avatar McGuireV10 08:56 AM 08-20-2014
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I'm using a Vapex tab-tensioned 100 inch electronic drop down screen. It has a 1:1 gain and I feel it's a terrific bargain. I personally don't see SDE from my seating position and have to get pretty close to the screen to see the individual pixels, but others have had some issues with it. It has got to be based on the throw distance and seating distance, I would imagine.
That's a good point to mention. On my setup at 1080P I don't see individual pixels (which I would think is similar to SDE-range) until I'm standing about five or six feet from the screen, about a third of the correct seating distance, far far too close for useful viewing of any sort. I have normal 20/20 vision, for what it's worth.
McGuireV10's Avatar McGuireV10 09:00 AM 08-20-2014
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Upgrading from a TW3600 which had to be swapped out a number of times due to bad convergence. Does the digital adjustment eliminate the problem?
The only comment I can offer is that I looked at the alignment adjustment screens and mine seemed to be pretty dead-on correct straight out of the box. If I walked right up to the screen, literally two or three feet away, I could see a faint vertical offset on the red on *some* of the grid lines, but it vanished at four or five feet, and is definitely not visible at seating distances of 16 to 18 feet.

Not sure if that helps at all or not.
Ron Jones's Avatar Ron Jones 09:04 AM 08-20-2014
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I'm using a Vapex tab-tensioned 100 inch electronic drop down screen. It has a 1:1 gain and I feel it's a terrific bargain. I personally don't see SDE from my seating position and have to get pretty close to the screen to see the individual pixels, but others have had some issues with it. It has got to be based on the throw distance and seating distance, I would imagine.

Of course if you have 20:15 vision you will see SDE a little further back from the screen than someone with 20:20. I agree that SDE should not be an real world issue for the vast majority of people when using a 1080p 3LCD projector and with any reasonable viewing distance. I've used a couple of 1080p Epson projectors in my home theater, as well as a JVC LCoS, and have not seen SDE from my normal viewing distance (120" screen with about a 12 ft. viewing distance).
McGuireV10's Avatar McGuireV10 10:02 AM 08-20-2014
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Of course if you have 20:15 vision you will see SDE a little further back from the screen than someone with 20:20. I agree that SDE should not be an real world issue for the vast majority of people when using a 1080p 3LCD projector and with any reasonable viewing distance. I've used a couple of 1080p Epson projectors in my home theater, as well as a JVC LCoS, and have not seen SDE from my normal viewing distance (120" screen with about a 12 ft. viewing distance).
Only for very small values of "a little further back".

20/20 means your vision is normal at 20 feet, whereas 20/15 means you see what a normal person would see at 15 feet instead of 20 -- a 25% improvement.

So if you see SDE at about 5 feet, for example, that means a person with 20/15 would see it at about 6 feet. Not a significant factor relative to normal seating distances.

I have read that the best human vision ever recorded was 20/8, a 60% improvement versus normal vision. As long as seating position is more than about 8 or 9 feet away, even that person probably shouldn't be expected to see SDE on a decent quality setup.
SBuger's Avatar SBuger 01:20 PM 08-20-2014
Hello all. I have a few questions for you guys. I'm getting ready to order the Epson 5030 and will be projecting onto a 120" diagonal 16:9 Seymour retractable AT screen that will drop down in front of my speakers. I'm in the process of doing the layout in my living room. I'll be setting 12' away from the screen and the projector will be mounted 3-4' directly overhead. I originally had intentions of using a low profile ceiling mount (that would put it ~ 3' above my head). Now I'm thinking it might cool if I put it in the column directly above that (I've attached pics to show this). Although, there may be a couple of problems with this. First would be space above the top of projector for enough ventilation to stay cool. Front, back, and sides would be fine I think because the front of the column would be totally open (for the air intake and output on the front of projector) as well as the back of the column and I could make it as wide as needed for space on the sides. The only thing that would be pretty tight would be the top. Projector dimensions are: 18.3"W x 6.2"H (with feet) x 15.5"D and column dimensions are 8.5" H x 19"D. I don't think the column is load barring/supporting of the ceiling (2 story with loft above) but depending on how the bracing is set up I know I will not have that much height to work with unless I can make some space above the column. Also having a sturdy platform the projector to set on will take up some space.

If that all worked out and the projector would stay cool enough, the next possible problem would be enough vertical lens shift (without using keystone) to have the top of the 120" diagonal image 13" from the top of the ceiling. I read a 5030 review the other day saying that from the middle of the lens to the top of a 100" diagonal image could go down as far as 22.5". That's quite a bit of vertical lens shift so I think it would go down far enough for my 120". Do you guys know if PQ or lumens is effected when approaching maximum lens shift? The last possible problem would be some of the projected light hitting the tip of the fan blade if it was on (would be close I think).

The wife definitely likes the idea of the projector being mostly hidden with a cleaner look. I think it would be cool as well. I'm really into 3D so I'm sure I'll be watching a lot with the Dynamic 3D mode (for the brightest possible image) with the fan at its noisiest/fastest. So putting the projector in the column would put it about a foot higher above my head than with a ceiling mount to the bottom of the column. That and the somewhat enclosed projector would probably cut down a little bit on the high speed fan noise. Do you guys think this is a good idea and would work or should I just stick with the original plan and use the ceiling mount to mount to bottom side of the column?

One other question ...sorry for the long winded post. I'm ready to purchase this projector soon but keep trying to talk myself into waiting to see if Epson comes out with a 5040 soon after CEDIA. My screen wont be here for 3-4 weeks anyway. I'm pretty much maxed out on my budget but may be able to swing a few hundred more dollars if its around $2700 ish. Do you guys think it would be worth waiting to see? If so what do you think the earliest to purchase would be (I'm thinking maybe end of October possibly)? I'm so excited I don't know if I can wait that long

Thanks,
Shelby
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McGuireV10's Avatar McGuireV10 01:43 PM 08-20-2014
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First would be space above the top of projector for enough ventilation to stay cool. Front, back, and sides would be fine I think because the front of the column would be totally open (for the air intake and output on the front of projector) as well as the back of the column and I could make it as wide as needed for space on the sides.

That's quite a bit of vertical lens shift so I think it would go down far enough for my 120". Do you guys know if PQ or lumens is effected when approaching maximum lens shift? The last possible problem would be some of the projected light hitting the tip of the fan blade if it was on (would be close I think).

I'm ready to purchase this projector soon but keep trying to talk myself into waiting to see if Epson comes out with a 5040 soon after CEDIA.
I'm by no means an expert but I wanted to comment on these three points.

First, ventilation is through the front only, both in and out. However, the top should be accessible to your hand to adjust lens shift, zoom, and focus. There are no vents anywhere but the front.

The lens shift on this is definitely great. I read that it automatically compensates for the minimal keystoning that is unavoidable with lens shift. I couldn't see it and I'm using about a third of the full range of vertical shift. There is also a chart I saw somewhere online (sorry, can't find it) that shows lumen loss at maximum shift. I want to say it was something like 12% but that's off the top of my head and might be totally wrong. Search around, you can probably dig it up. Here again, I'm using about a third of the v-shift range and I'm amazed at how bright this thing is.

As for waiting, I think I read that Epson was one of the only companies to roll out a major update last year -- my guess is they'd sit back and ride this one out while everybody else plays catch-up.

On my last PJ, I kept waiting and waiting for The Next Big Thing -- there will always be a Next Big Thing. The 5030UB is pretty awesome -- buy it and enjoy it, I say.
climber07's Avatar climber07 02:07 PM 08-20-2014
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Originally Posted by SBuger View Post
Hello all. I have a few questions for you guys. I'm getting ready to order the Epson 5030 and will be projecting onto a 120" diagonal 16:9 Seymour retractable AT screen that will drop down in front of my speakers. I'm in the process of doing the layout in my living room. I'll be setting 12' away from the screen and the projector will be mounted 3-4' directly overhead. I originally had intentions of using a low profile ceiling mount (that would put it ~ 3' above my head). Now I'm thinking it might cool if I put it in the column directly above that (I've attached pics to show this). Although, there may be a couple of problems with this. First would be space above the top of projector for enough ventilation to stay cool. Front, back, and sides would be fine I think because the front of the column would be totally open (for the air intake and output on the front of projector) as well as the back of the column and I could make it as wide as needed for space on the sides. The only thing that would be pretty tight would be the top. Projector dimensions are: 18.3"W x 6.2"H (with feet) x 15.5"D and column dimensions are 8.5" H x 19"D. I don't think the column is load barring/supporting of the ceiling (2 story with loft above) but depending on how the bracing is set up I know I will not have that much height to work with unless I can make some space above the column. Also having a sturdy platform the projector to set on will take up some space.

If that all worked out and the projector would stay cool enough, the next possible problem would be enough vertical lens shift (without using keystone) to have the top of the 120" diagonal image 13" from the top of the ceiling. I read a 5030 review the other day saying that from the middle of the lens to the top of a 100" diagonal image could go down as far as 22.5". That's quite a bit of vertical lens shift so I think it would go down far enough for my 120". Do you guys know if PQ or lumens is effected when approaching maximum lens shift? The last possible problem would be some of the projected light hitting the tip of the fan blade if it was on (would be close I think).

The wife definitely likes the idea of the projector being mostly hidden with a cleaner look. I think it would be cool as well. I'm really into 3D so I'm sure I'll be watching a lot with the Dynamic 3D mode (for the brightest possible image) with the fan at its noisiest/fastest. So putting the projector in the column would put it about a foot higher above my head than with a ceiling mount to the bottom of the column. That and the somewhat enclosed projector would probably cut down a little bit on the high speed fan noise. Do you guys think this is a good idea and would work or should I just stick with the original plan and use the ceiling mount to mount to bottom side of the column?

One other question ...sorry for the long winded post. I'm ready to purchase this projector soon but keep trying to talk myself into waiting to see if Epson comes out with a 5040 soon after CEDIA. My screen wont be here for 3-4 weeks anyway. I'm pretty much maxed out on my budget but may be able to swing a few hundred more dollars if its around $2700 ish. Do you guys think it would be worth waiting to see? If so what do you think the earliest to purchase would be (I'm thinking maybe end of October possibly)? I'm so excited I don't know if I can wait that long

Thanks,
Shelby
You are most likely going to run into issues if you attempt to cut a space out for the projector. First, the height of the column is barely enough to house a 5030. Secondly, there are most likely 2x4 cross-members there, taking 1 3/4" away from that available space. Lastly, the section is undoubtedly load bearing, meaning you cannot modify it in any way.

My recommendation is to purchase a high quality low profile mount and take the easier route.

Here's an excellent mount that you can take a look at. It offers micro adjustments.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000TXNS6G/...SQNY80RS&psc=1


metalguy's Avatar metalguy 10:05 AM 08-21-2014
I have a very long room, so it it best to have it set up where its at mid zoom, all the way open, or closed mostly? I would guess its best to have it all the way open as you are using the bulb anyways, its not like the bulb dims if you have it closed down more? So what do you guys think?
McGuireV10's Avatar McGuireV10 10:54 AM 08-21-2014
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I have a very long room, so it it best to have it set up where its at mid zoom, all the way open, or closed mostly? I would guess its best to have it all the way open as you are using the bulb anyways, its not like the bulb dims if you have it closed down more? So what do you guys think?
You always want the shortest throw that will fill your screen.
kriktsemaj99's Avatar kriktsemaj99 11:27 AM 08-21-2014
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You always want the shortest throw that will fill your screen.

If you need maximum brightness yes, but there are downsides (image quality, depth of field...).
McGuireV10's Avatar McGuireV10 11:34 AM 08-21-2014
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If you need maximum brightness yes, but there are downsides (image quality, depth of field...).
I should say "I" always want the shortest throw ... admitted light-cannon addict here. I defer to the experts, a big bright picture makes me grin like an idiot and I'm done.
metalguy's Avatar metalguy 12:47 PM 08-21-2014
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If you need maximum brightness yes, but there are downsides (image quality, depth of field...).
Can you please elaborate on this? Make it as long as you need. Also talk about the wide open mid and closed please
kriktsemaj99's Avatar kriktsemaj99 01:20 PM 08-21-2014
^ The difference in brightness between the ends of the zoom range is often measured by the review sites. It's not the same amount for all projectors, but it's always brighter at the short throw end (projector as close as possible to the screen for a given image size).

What's harder to quantify are the other effects. Depth of field is reduced with short throw which makes it harder to achieve perfect focus (and can make it impossible to get perfect focus over the entire screen if things aren't perfectly aligned). Image contrast is also reduced with a shorter throw, and any aberrations caused by imperfect optics will be more noticable (but there won't necessarily be a big difference).

If you absolutely need the max brightness then go for the closest mounting position, otherwise you might want to mount it a bit further back. I can't really quantify it.
SBuger's Avatar SBuger 09:30 AM 08-22-2014
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Originally Posted by McGuireV10 View Post
I'm by no means an expert but I wanted to comment on these three points.

First, ventilation is through the front only, both in and out. However, the top should be accessible to your hand to adjust lens shift, zoom, and focus. There are no vents anywhere but the front.

The lens shift on this is definitely great. I read that it automatically compensates for the minimal keystoning that is unavoidable with lens shift. I couldn't see it and I'm using about a third of the full range of vertical shift. There is also a chart I saw somewhere online (sorry, can't find it) that shows lumen loss at maximum shift. I want to say it was something like 12% but that's off the top of my head and might be totally wrong. Search around, you can probably dig it up. Here again, I'm using about a third of the v-shift range and I'm amazed at how bright this thing is.

As for waiting, I think I read that Epson was one of the only companies to roll out a major update last year -- my guess is they'd sit back and ride this one out while everybody else plays catch-up.

On my last PJ, I kept waiting and waiting for The Next Big Thing -- there will always be a Next Big Thing. The 5030UB is pretty awesome -- buy it and enjoy it, I say.
Thanks for all the info! So glad to hear this thing is that bright. Good call on being able to get my hand up in there to make adjustments - probably going to be a bit to snug. As for the waiting on the possible 5040 ....thanks I think that is what I wanted to hear
SBuger's Avatar SBuger 09:49 AM 08-22-2014
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You are most likely going to run into issues if you attempt to cut a space out for the projector. First, the height of the column is barely enough to house a 5030. Secondly, there are most likely 2x4 cross-members there, taking 1 3/4" away from that available space. Lastly, the section is undoubtedly load bearing, meaning you cannot modify it in any way.

My recommendation is to purchase a high quality low profile mount and take the easier route.

Here's an excellent mount that you can take a look at. It offers micro adjustments.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000TXNS6G/...SQNY80RS&psc=1

Thank you for your thoughts! I've had a few contractors look at it a while back when I was having some other work done and they said they didn't think it was load bearing and the thing seams pretty hollow throughout. I still kind of think it may be load baring, at least somewhat. But not doubt, there will definitely be 2x4's in there. Even if it isn't load baring, I'm thinking now that's its just going to be to tight of a fit including 2x4's etc.

I was thinking of going with this exact mount or the Chief RPAU (might even be a little more low profile with micro adjustments). It's about $50 more though. This should put the projector about 3.5' above my head and wont have to worry about problems other than maybe the louder of fan noise on dynamic 3D mode. When switching to this mode I assume the projector automatically switches to high speed mode for good reason.
McGuireV10's Avatar McGuireV10 10:46 AM 08-22-2014
This is my third projector and the fan is surprisingly quiet, even with the light-cannon dialed all the way up to "kill". In a very quiet room you can hear the iris adjusting, though it isn't as noisy as my Epson 400.
WestCDA's Avatar WestCDA 12:03 PM 08-22-2014
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... I still kind of think it may be load baring, at least somewhat.

I've never heard of a builder putting a bulkhead across the middle of a ceiling as a decorative touch - chances are very good that it's there to either cover a load beam or HVAC ductwork. What direction to the floor joists run for the floor above - are they perpendicular to that bulkhead? Do you have HVAC floor registers in the room(s) above in line with that bulkhead? It looks like you have a speaker installed in the vertical bulkhead on the side wall that is underneath it, so have an access opening there - what is inside those vertical columns?
chmorgan's Avatar chmorgan 12:15 PM 08-23-2014
Does anyone use this projector for gaming? I've been reading that the lag time is pretty poor unless you turn off all video processing, which then PQ suffers. I've also read some people saying that they have no issues at all with lag when gaming.

Any thoughts/opinions on this?
McGuireV10's Avatar McGuireV10 12:35 PM 08-23-2014
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Does anyone use this projector for gaming? I've been reading that the lag time is pretty poor unless you turn off all video processing, which then PQ suffers. I've also read some people saying that they have no issues at all with lag when gaming.

Any thoughts/opinions on this?
I run it in the regular processing mode and I haven't noticed any problems, although I tend to stick mainly to racing games rather than FPS twitch-fests. Beautiful and smooth at 1080P/60... when my sub-par in-wall CAT5 wiring lets the signal through.
chmorgan's Avatar chmorgan 01:05 PM 08-23-2014
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I run it in the regular processing mode and I haven't noticed any problems, although I tend to stick mainly to racing games rather than FPS twitch-fests. Beautiful and smooth at 1080P/60... when my sub-par in-wall CAT5 wiring lets the signal through.
Thanks for the info. I think if it works well for a racing game, it should work well for most games with maybe the exception of the twitchy ones. I'm not a big twitch-fest player either. Not much for online MP as well. I do like to play sports games locally, so I wonder how it would work for those?

I've been debating getting the UBE for the wireless, but that's not essential just a nice option so I do not have to run any cable. It would be interesting to know if any extra lag is introduced there.
climber07's Avatar climber07 01:15 PM 08-23-2014
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I've never heard of a builder putting a bulkhead across the middle of a ceiling as a decorative touch - chances are very good that it's there to either cover a load beam or HVAC ductwork. What direction to the floor joists run for the floor above - are they perpendicular to that bulkhead? Do you have HVAC floor registers in the room(s) above in line with that bulkhead? It looks like you have a speaker installed in the vertical bulkhead on the side wall that is underneath it, so have an access opening there - what is inside those vertical columns?
A stud finder will tell the tale.
scubasteve2365's Avatar scubasteve2365 02:43 PM 08-23-2014
Just got my 5030 up and running. Upgraded from an 8700ub, makes it nice and easy and don't even have to redo any remote macros in iRule or Harmony.

This is the first 3D device I've had and I've remained pretty ignorant about glasses. I'm probably going to want more than the two that came in the box. Can I use any RF pair? Do they have to be the same that came with the PJ? If not, is there a consensus favorite among the group for adults and young kids (4 year old)?
SBuger's Avatar SBuger 10:32 PM 08-24-2014
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This is my third projector and the fan is surprisingly quiet, even with the light-cannon dialed all the way up to "kill". In a very quiet room you can hear the iris adjusting, though it isn't as noisy as my Epson 400.
Awesome .....very glad to hear that about the fan Not as worried about noise from the iris.
SBuger's Avatar SBuger 11:09 PM 08-24-2014
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I've never heard of a builder putting a bulkhead across the middle of a ceiling as a decorative touch - chances are very good that it's there to either cover a load beam or HVAC ductwork. What direction to the floor joists run for the floor above - are they perpendicular to that bulkhead? Do you have HVAC floor registers in the room(s) above in line with that bulkhead? It looks like you have a speaker installed in the vertical bulkhead on the side wall that is underneath it, so have an access opening there - what is inside those vertical columns?
The floor joists do run perpendicular to the bulkhead. If they ran parallel I think it could have been cool to possibly put the case that the retractable screen roles up in out of sight up in the ceiling (if nothing was in the way) instead of mounting to the ceiling. The rooms above have registers in the ceilings with the duct work in the attic.

I do have access to see what in the side columns ...I posted a couple pics. I'm installing new in-wall speakers anyway (to match my other KEF Q series speakers), so I got to see what was in there. Quite a few 2x4's and just barely enough room for the new speakers. As far as the column overhead goes, the stud finder shows them a couple inches farther out to each side and nothing running perpendicular. I guess I'll see when I go to attach the mount, as I'll have to get in there to put some cross members to attach to and run all the wiring.
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bigly's Avatar bigly 12:28 AM 08-25-2014
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Thanks for the info. I think if it works well for a racing game, it should work well for most games with maybe the exception of the twitchy ones. I'm not a big twitch-fest player either. Not much for online MP as well. I do like to play sports games locally, so I wonder how it would work for those?

I've been debating getting the UBE for the wireless, but that's not essential just a nice option so I do not have to run any cable. It would be interesting to know if any extra lag is introduced there.
I have the wireless UBE version.
Video lag is consistently between 160-180ms with full (fine) processing applied.
I know this because that's the audio delay I always have to apply to achieve lip sync.
(Not sure what standard wired video delay is.)

Even on FPS games like Halo and COD, I don't notice it but you would if you were serious about gaming. (And your competitors didn't have a similar lag.)
presenter's Avatar presenter 03:25 PM 08-26-2014
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This is the first 3D device I've had and I've remained pretty ignorant about glasses. I'm probably going to want more than the two that came in the box. Can I use any RF pair? Do they have to be the same that came with the PJ? If not, is there a consensus favorite among the group for adults and young kids (4 year old)?
You'll want "universal" glasses that are compatible. Basically Epson and Sony and some others use the same RF protocol, creating a 3rd party market for glasses.

But there are "universal" glasses for DLP-Link, and for some IR glasses as well, so be sure to go "RF" There are some super light Samsung glasses that sell online for $20 a pair, or a touch less. I have several pair of those to complement the Epson glasses. They weigh in at less than 1 oz (about 2/3 of the Epsons which are fairly light). They run on button batteries, not rechargeable, but since you should get 50-100 hours for a $1 or so battery, who cares. Especially since they should shut down when the 3D goes away.

I can't recall the model off the top of my head, but I do mention it in our review of the 6030UB 5030UB, but you should be able to figure out which when shopping on Amazon, etc. -art
McGuireV10's Avatar McGuireV10 06:14 AM 08-27-2014
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You'll want "universal" glasses that are compatible. Basically Epson and Sony and some others use the same RF protocol, creating a 3rd party market for glasses.

But there are "universal" glasses for DLP-Link, and for some IR glasses as well, so be sure to go "RF" There are some super light Samsung glasses that sell online for $20 a pair, or a touch less. I have several pair of those to complement the Epson glasses. They weigh in at less than 1 oz (about 2/3 of the Epsons which are fairly light). They run on button batteries, not rechargeable, but since you should get 50-100 hours for a $1 or so battery, who cares. Especially since they should shut down when the 3D goes away.

I can't recall the model off the top of my head, but I do mention it in our review of the 6030UB 5030UB, but you should be able to figure out which when shopping on Amazon, etc. -art
We bought a couple pairs of these, though I haven't used them yet:

Samsung SSG-5150GB

http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00INO6JX2/
AV Science Sales 5's Avatar AV Science Sales 5 07:52 AM 08-27-2014
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I'm by no means an expert but I wanted to comment on these three points.

First, ventilation is through the front only, both in and out. However, the top should be accessible to your hand to adjust lens shift, zoom, and focus. There are no vents anywhere but the front.

The lens shift on this is definitely great. I read that it automatically compensates for the minimal keystoning that is unavoidable with lens shift. I couldn't see it and I'm using about a third of the full range of vertical shift. There is also a chart I saw somewhere online (sorry, can't find it) that shows lumen loss at maximum shift. I want to say it was something like 12% but that's off the top of my head and might be totally wrong. Search around, you can probably dig it up. Here again, I'm using about a third of the v-shift range and I'm amazed at how bright this thing is.

As for waiting, I think I read that Epson was one of the only companies to roll out a major update last year -- my guess is they'd sit back and ride this one out while everybody else plays catch-up.

On my last PJ, I kept waiting and waiting for The Next Big Thing -- there will always be a Next Big Thing. The 5030UB is pretty awesome -- buy it and enjoy it, I say.
In my opinion the change from 5020 to 5030 was a smaller change than what JVC did by adding a dynamic iris to the 49 and up models. Also Sony bringing out a new 4K model for nearly half the price of the VW1000 was pretty significant. I agree with you, that there is always going to be improvements and if waiting until you think is the perfect time to jump in, just means you will be waiting forever.
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