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I live in Europa and I ahve made the update. I also have a darbee and previously owned a sony hw50es, so I know very well the reality creation.

The new "super resolution" is NOT at all like the darbee because it sharpens the whole picture...and the noise in it: exactly like the reality creation from sony (maybe a bit less than the RC that I could not really use on the sony because even on 1, the noise from a blu-ray source was always too much amplified).

I did a lot of comparisons with darbee on and off and the "super resolution V2" on 1 to 5, and I must say that both are really complementary.

I use the darbee on 40% and the super resolution on level 2. Already with 3 is the noise in the picture too noticeable (like RC on 1...).

I like the result very much! However even if I am thankfull to epson to have emproved the "super resolution", I think it is sad they did not propose a new menu for it like they actually did on the new epson 6600...
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I live in Europa and I ahve made the update. I also have a darbee and previously owned a sony hw50es, so I know very well the reality creation.

The new "super resolution" is NOT at all like the darbee because it sharpens the whole picture...and the noise in it: exactly like the reality creation from sony (maybe a bit less than the RC that I could not really use on the sony because even on 1, the noise from a blu-ray source was always too much amplified).

I did a lot of comparisons with darbee on and off and the "super resolution V2" on 1 to 5, and I must say that both are really complementary.

I use the darbee on 40% and the super resolution on level 2. Already with 3 is the noise in the picture too noticeable (like RC on 1...).

I like the result very much! However even if I am thankfull to epson to have emproved the "super resolution", I think it is sad they did not propose a new menu for it like they actually did on the new epson 6600...
that's good to know I don't have a darbee but was going to get one, I watched 2 movies last night one was a an animated one for kids and I had SR on 3 and it looked really good no noise at all and super sharp I only saw ringing in the picture twice in 3 hours but I do sit over 4.5m from a 120'' screen. I do believe if you sit close you would want to back it off a bit. Overall I think it has added a lot to the PQ it just looks better to me, think i will still grab a darbee soon and do more testing, cheers.
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I live in Europa and I ahve made the update. I also have a darbee and previously owned a sony hw50es, so I know very well the reality creation.

The new "super resolution" is NOT at all like the darbee because it sharpens the whole picture...and the noise in it: exactly like the reality creation from sony (maybe a bit less than the RC that I could not really use on the sony because even on 1, the noise from a blu-ray source was always too much amplified).

I did a lot of comparisons with darbee on and off and the "super resolution V2" on 1 to 5, and I must say that both are really complementary.

I use the darbee on 40% and the super resolution on level 2. Already with 3 is the noise in the picture too noticeable (like RC on 1...).

I like the result very much! However even if I am thankfull to epson to have emproved the "super resolution", I think it is sad they did not propose a new menu for it like they actually did on the new epson 6600...
Doesn't seem a US update has been released. I tried to register my projector online, but it wouldn't recognize the SN. I called Epson and got no where after 30 minutes and also the call center person told me they don't recommend the update. What?
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Well great, now I have the flashing power and temp lights. I've tried starting it about 5 times tonight and each time it goes to full speed on the fan almost immediately, the lights start blinking, then the shutter closes, and about a minute later the fan stops. I'm getting another replacement. My original projector, which I set up in June, had dust blobs, so I got this one. Seems like a pretty high failure rate for these things, I know I'm not the first to go through multiple projectors.

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I have been following this thread and the 6030 thread as well. Of the Epsons, I have owned the 6500 and now the 6030. Up until the 6030, I installed all my projectors myself. There seems to be a few more problems associated with the 5030, or maybe that is because there are probably many more 5030s sold than 6030s. As an example, there are 119 pages to this thread but only a dozen or so pages for the 6030 thread. But for whatever reason, more people have complaints like yours whereas the complaints with the 6030 are few and far between.

Although the two projectors are virtually the same, I wonder if it has anything to do with the build quality itself and the quality control Epson puts in the 6030? I say that because the dealers these are sold through would not tolerate having to go back to their customers time and again (especially in my case since I live 40 miles from my dealer). Maybe it has something to do with the professional installation process and set up the dealers go through. The main reason I went with the 6030 over the 5030 was because the dealer offered a very good price on installation and has an excellent reputation in the area. I am glad I used this dealer because I was very happy with their work and professionalism - and the projector reflects that. I wonder if anyone has taken both of these projectors side by side to look for any possible differences in actual quality and build factors?

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Here's PC's take on the update comparing one 6030 with it against another without it. PC gives the update two thumbs up.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/cedia_2014.htm?em
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Here's PC's take on the update comparing one 6030 with it against another without it. PC gives the update two thumbs up.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/cedia_2014.htm?em
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"Epson also unveiled a surprising firmware update to the Pro Cinema 6030 and Home Cinema 5030 and 4030. We've got this update in house, and we've been looking at twin 6030's, one with it and one without it. And bottom line, this firmware enhancement produces an obvious (some might say startling) improvement in image quality; detail shows markedly better definition, and contrast appears to be increased in the mid-tones. Rarely does a firmware update produce such a momentous improvement in image quality. This update should be available next month. Epson is currently working out details as to how current owners of the 4030, 5030 and 6030 will be able to avail themselves of the update, so we will report that information here when available. If you own one of these models, this firmware upgrade is one you won't want to pass up."

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I'm really happy that at least there is this firmare to look forward to when I get my 5030ub! No new model but if this firmware improves upon what from what I've heard in this thread what is already an great image them I think this will definitely be the projector for me! I'm really hoping to be getting one by Xmas!

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Hi all:

Have been following AVS for a few years now but posted to the 6030 forum for the first time recently; however, got no response so posting here as well.

I just sold my five-year old Panasonic PT AE-2000u and am looking to upgrade, specifically for 3d capability. Would like owner/enthusiast opinions regarding 3D on the 5030/6030.

I recently demo'd a JVC X500 but couldn't deal with its 3D performance from start-up - too much ghosting/x-talk for my liking. I was told by others in the X500/RS4910 forum that 3D is much improved on the JVC after a warm-up of about 20-30 minutes. While that's great to hear, I don't think I like the prospect of having to wait that long - especially in company - to watch 3D material in spite of a stellar 2D picture. So my question regarding the 5030/6030 (and even the 4030, for that matter) is, does it exhibit crosstalk-free 3D without a warm up period?

Also, I have a dedicated theater room with darkened/treated walls, with a throw distance of 11.5 feet on to an Elite Screens Cinewhite 1.1 gain screen, and a ceiling height of 9 feet. If I sat about a foot behind the projector, will the fan and iris noise be a problem during normal movie viewing? Any feedback will be greatly appreciated, and thanks in advance.
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I had JVC RS40 and RS45. The 45 was worse in 3D mode than the 40, and it took easily a half hour before it warmed up to look its best. I got the Epson 6010, then the 5030. Both are far better than the JVCs in terms of 3D ghosting. I can't say how the new JVCs perform. The 5030 is not ghost free, but it's "respectable," for what that's worth. You won't confuse Epson or JVC for a DLP, but I can live with the Epson's 3D performance. It warms up to a good 3D state in about 5-6 minutes. It's noisier than the JVC, but it wasn't a deal breaker for me. When I remodeled my room, I put it in a "hush box" in the next room, so now it's dead quiet.
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Go ahead and install it. It is definitely an improvement as long as you do not turn it up too much. I would probably use a setting of 2, 3 at the highest. Also if you do not like it, you can select a setting of ")", turning it off.
Any chance of the firmware improving the softness of fast mode? I'm assuming you can't use the new feature while in that mode, right?
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Any chance of the firmware improving the softness of fast mode? I'm assuming you can't use the new feature while in that mode, right?
That is what I am hoping for - a fast mode that preserves full 1080p60 resolution, unlike the current firmware (v102 on mine) that butchers 1080 resolution. First thing I will check after the firmware update. We shall see.
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I have been following this thread and the 6030 thread as well. Of the Epsons, I have owned the 6500 and now the 6030. Up until the 6030, I installed all my projectors myself. There seems to be a few more problems associated with the 5030, or maybe that is because there are probably many more 5030s sold than 6030s. As an example, there are 119 pages to this thread but only a dozen or so pages for the 6030 thread. But for whatever reason, more people have complaints like yours whereas the complaints with the 6030 are few and far between.

Although the two projectors are virtually the same, I wonder if it has anything to do with the build quality itself and the quality control Epson puts in the 6030? I say that because the dealers these are sold through would not tolerate having to go back to their customers time and again (especially in my case since I live 40 miles from my dealer). Maybe it has something to do with the professional installation process and set up the dealers go through. The main reason I went with the 6030 over the 5030 was because the dealer offered a very good price on installation and has an excellent reputation in the area. I am glad I used this dealer because I was very happy with their work and professionalism - and the projector reflects that. I wonder if anyone has taken both of these projectors side by side to look for any possible differences in actual quality and build factors?
There's a possibility more QA goes into the 6030 but I bet there's more of an issue with sampling bias. And perhaps there was a bad run of parts that affected the 5030 more.

I got my replacement yesterday and it seems fine. Took me about an hour to swap them and adjust the geometry. Less than 48 hours from when I called until the new one arrived is pretty good service. Now I just hope this one lasts more than a few months.

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There's a possibility more QA goes into the 6030 but I bet there's more of an issue with sampling bias. And perhaps there was a bad run of parts that affected the 5030 more.

I got my replacement yesterday and it seems fine. Took me about an hour to swap them and adjust the geometry. Less than 48 hours from when I called until the new one arrived is pretty good service. Now I just hope this one lasts more than a few months.
When you have a warranty issue, do they send a new one or a refurbished? No issues here just curious....

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When you have a warranty issue, do they send a new one or a refurbished? No issues here just curious....
My guess is it's refurbished. I noticed the glossy black on the front was smudged/dirty, and there was a scuff on the surface near the mounting points, nothing that is noticeable in use, but I was looking it over good as I was curious about this too. As long as they replace the wearable components and clean it real good it's probably better than new as it'll have been tested thoroughly by a technician.

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I'm looking for sympathy, haha. My dedicated movie room with blackened out windows is now my roommates bedroom. I'm already going through withdrawals. Not sure where I can put the 5030 now.

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Looking at getting a new 1.1 gain 150 inch matte white screen. I am quite sure it will not have a problem on 2d but my question is how will it be on 3d. Does it have enough mmhphh to go that large? I am currently shooting at a 1.0 gain 135inch screen and no problems at about 14.5 feet. but if i went to the 150 it would be between 15 and 20 feet back. Looking forward to the replys.
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Hey folks,
I'm planning on getting a 5030UB for use in my home theater which should be ready by the end of October. I wanted to know if, historically, epson projectors go on discount during Black Friday. If yes, I may have to wait till thanksgiving to make my purchase. Thanks so much.

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One last question which I hope someone can answer, sorry I am new the projector world. I am mounting my 5030UB to the ceiling, my friend mounted his projector relatively flush to the ceiling, using the:

http://www.amazon.com/Peerless-PRGS-.../ref=pd_ybh_12

Should the 5030UB be mounted flush with the ceiling pointing down to the screen or should the projector be mounted using a ceiling plates, which would mount to the ceiling, then the pipe threads into both the plate and the mount, making it more eye level with the screen, as a installer recommended.

My apologies for the basic question but any insight would be appreciated.
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I'm planning on getting a 5030UB for use in my home theater which should be ready by the end of October. I wanted to know if, historically, epson projectors go on discount during Black Friday. If yes, I may have to wait till thanksgiving to make my purchase. Thanks so much.
Epson has never discounted the 5030 on blackfriday or any other day. With their new 3000 line selling at $1900 for the 3600 and $1699 for the 3500 I do not see any price drop coming. Their could be Bstock once in a while.
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epson has never discounted the 5030 on blackfriday or any other day. With their new 3000 line selling at $1900 for the 3600 and $1699 for the 3500 i do not see any price drop coming. Their could be bstock once in a while.
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That is what I am hoping for - a fast mode that preserves full 1080p60 resolution, unlike the current firmware (v102 on mine) that butchers 1080 resolution. First thing I will check after the firmware update. We shall see.
What does fast mode actually do to compromise the picture? "Butchers" is a pretty strong word. Sounds like we might be sensitive to the same kinds of issues.

I am looking to upgrade from my 8350 to a PJ with great 3D and gaming performance, and in my research here I see a lot of contradictory opinions on how the 5030's Fast mode degrades the image.

FWIW I am using a 135" screen in a light controlled room and so normally run my 8350 on the lowest light output.
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1080p60 test patterns from a DVDO EDGE - every-other H and V - single pixel lines - black and white alternating. Granted, this is the most difficult test for the "fast" mode, but you be the judge - is "butchers" too strong a word to describe this?







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I have been following this thread and the 6030 thread as well. Of the Epsons, I have owned the 6500 and now the 6030. Up until the 6030, I installed all my projectors myself. There seems to be a few more problems associated with the 5030, or maybe that is because there are probably many more 5030s sold than 6030s. As an example, there are 119 pages to this thread but only a dozen or so pages for the 6030 thread. But for whatever reason, more people have complaints like yours whereas the complaints with the 6030 are few and far between.

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They are the same projector. You are seeing more problems with 5030 than 6030, because 5030 way out sells the 6030. Failure rate will be the same percentage.

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I have 12' ceilings and I used a Peerless mount with the extension. It drops it down plenty with room to spare. With the lens shift you won't have any issues.
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1080p60 test patterns from a DVDO EDGE - every-other H and V - single pixel lines - black and white alternating. Granted, this is the most difficult test for the "fast" mode, but you be the judge - is "butchers" too strong a word to describe this?
Wow, that's pretty bad! Thanks for the pics.

Fingers crossed for firmware update magic...
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