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First things first, this will be my first post here so a few words to describe where I'm coming from.

I am Norwegian and live in Norway (just fyi) and for the last two years I have had a cheap Optoma HD100x (budget version of the HD20) which I purchased kind of as an experiment since I desperately needed a new TV but couldn't find any LED's I wouldn't consider for 'useless' in regards to edge lit uniformity. I later supplemented the Optoma with a plasma though.

Well time has now come to take the 'experiment' the rest of the way since my sound system now is leagues ahead of the image.

So due to measurements and demo's at other HT enthusiasts in Norway I have decided on a Sony projector (I have seen the hw50, vw95 and vw1000)

I will be using a 92" screen, since I will be seated maybe 8-10' away if I could find a tab tensioned screen at 88" I would go for that, but the selection here that also fits my budget is limited, and it is easier to project an 88" image on a 92" screen than a 70" screen :P

Throw distance is aprox 9-11' and projector must be mounted to the ceiling (I'm 99% certain this is fine, and ps I have just converted from the metric system on the fly so it may not be entirely accurate.

Now the real reason for the post.
The hw50 is getting phased out for the hw55, and it has therefor dropped 900$ in price and it is very tempting to jump on this if the only major difference between the two are 100000:1 to 120000:1 in contrast and longer lamp life.
This would probably bee easier to answer once we have som proper reviews and calibrated specs for the hw55, but the released specs don't really scream "huge improvements" over the hw50.

And 900$ could get at least two lamp replacements down the line.
(I estimate running about 1500 hours annually)
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The difference will not be big if any, if the new cooling system works as they say the biggest difference will be lamplife. smile.gif

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Yeah, that's pretty much where I'm at as well, can sort of sense it since it's barely been commented on much compared to the the vw500.

Although lamp costs can be scary at first but I'm starting to think it realy isn't that bad, and if say the hw55 loses as much light and color uniformity the first 1000 hours as the hw50 you could wind up having a dim picture for 3-4000 hours or switch the lamp anyways.

Although this is of course wild theory crafting on my end.

PS I'm the same person as the TorTorden on avforum.no, so was your projectors I saw earlier this year smile.gif
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You have asked the $64.00 Question wink.gif Many of us were waffling on the 50...now that the 55 is about to emerge....pricing and availability will be the next thing on everyones mind.

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That's the thing, I checked local store sites friday night, and both online stores peddling the hw50 had dropped it almost 900 USD, the more enthusiast oriented store also has the hw55 listed at exactly the same price as the hw50 used to be.

In short, they list the hw55 at 27990 NOK, ( that price also includes the mandatory 25% sales tax).
And the hw50 is now currently listed at 22990 NOK (including tax).

So I feel relatively certain that the hw55 would go for about 3600$ USD at most and thats just from deducting our sales tax and converting to dollars.Its might be a very rough guesstimate but the cost of launching a product with an erroneous price here in Norway is killer.

Now if the only major difference is lamp life and using the same type of lamp (UHP) you probably won't have a brighter picture with the hw55 at 1500 hours compared to the hw50, they just promise the hw55's lamp wont blow up for another 3000 hours so I suspect I would wind up getting a replacement at about 2k hours with either projector anyways.

So I'm getting mighty tempted with a discounted or lightly used hw50 ...
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Now the real reason for the post.
The hw50 is getting phased out for the hw55, and it has therefor dropped 900$ in price and it is very tempting to jump on this if the only major difference between the two are 100000:1 to 120000:1 in contrast and longer lamp life.
This would probably bee easier to answer once we have som proper reviews and calibrated specs for the hw55, but the released specs don't really scream "huge improvements" over the hw50.

Ask this question again 2 weeks from today, after we've at least seen the new HW55 in person at Cedia ! smile.gif

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I'm baffled, as many places (including PP) still list the 50ES as $3999.

Right now, I'm leaning to the Panny 8000, compared to the 30ES, but would probably rather have the 50ES if I could get it at least at the other end of the same ballpark.

I'm not personally interested in 3D, due to one eye having diminished "brightness" (head injury from motorcycle accident damaged the nerve to one eye 18 years ago) - but 3D is something my 6 & 9 YO daughters would be giddy about. They do not need perfection, they still watch in our theater with my current projector (that I have not been able to tolerate for over 1/2 year).

A just-released Panasonic AE700U, end of 2004, 133" screen. It is dying again - I've already rebuilt it once with LCD panels from a broken projector I bought cheap, and these replacements are doing the same - blue distortion all over the place. I've been waiting for CEDIA since I gave up in like Feb.

I was holding out hope for a true LED (Optoma 90/91 is also a contender) for a couple years now, baffled why it was taking so long when they've had them in RPTVs for years (Phatlight). Oh, I thought I had one, when I bought my Samsung from Costco in 2008. I hadn't noticed my 67A650 was not LED whereas the 67A750 was... and freaked when the bulb died 2 years later, as we left it on so much thinking it was LED!

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I'm baffled, as many places (including PP) still list the 50ES as $3999.

Right now, I'm leaning to the Panny 8000, compared to the 30ES, but would probably rather have the 50ES if I could get it at least at the other end of the same ballpark.

I'm not personally interested in 3D, due to one eye having diminished "brightness" (head injury from motorcycle accident damaged the nerve to one eye 18 years ago) - but 3D is something my 6 & 9 YO daughters would be giddy about. They do not need perfection, they still watch in our theater with my current projector (that I have not been able to tolerate for over 1/2 year).

A just-released Panasonic AE700U, end of 2004, 133" screen. It is dying again - I've already rebuilt it once with LCD panels from a broken projector I bought cheap, and these replacements are doing the same - blue distortion all over the place. I've been waiting for CEDIA since I gave up in like Feb.

I was holding out hope for a true LED (Optoma 90/91 is also a contender) for a couple years now, baffled why it was taking so long when they've had them in RPTVs for years (Phatlight). Oh, I thought I had one, when I bought my Samsung from Costco in 2008. I hadn't noticed my 67A650 was not LED whereas the 67A750 was... and freaked when the bulb died 2 years later, as we left it on so much thinking it was LED!

Every authorized dealer will show the same price of $3,999 for the Sony HW50ES. That is because the MAP price is $3,999. If you find a dealer listing it for lower, you can most likely bet that is not an authorized dealer.

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Do anyone know if the hw55 is going to have the same improvements on motionflow that will be on the vw500 ?
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Mike,
Any lowering of the MAP price of the 50ES now that the 55ES has replaced it with the same MSRP? And given the same MSRP will AVS be selling the 55 for the same price as the 50 pre discontinue?

Having the extra lamp on the 50ES is nullified and then some by the 55ES getting more than twice the battery life.
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Any lowering of the MAP price of the 50ES now that the 55ES has replaced it with the same MSRP? And given the same MSRP will AVS be selling the 55 for the same price as the 50 pre discontinue?

Having the extra lamp on the 50ES is nullified and then some by the 55ES getting more than twice the battery life.

No, nothing announced.

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No shipping dates on the 55ES either? Someone's got to take those Sony boys by the scruff of the neck - they're being much too coy wink.gif
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No shipping dates on the 55ES either? Someone's got to take those Sony boys by the scruff of the neck - they're being much too coy wink.gif


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Mike, do you think the Sony announcements will come during CEDIA or after? Honestly at this point I think I'm leaning towards the 55ES but.when and how much? I know I know - thanks for your patience.
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seems like a relevant thread to revive. Any first-hand comparision? I've read the french review that suggests the new 55 is not as bright.

My main concern is overall image quality and 3D image quality. I keep hearing of "ghosting" in comparision to DLP and the Epson 6030, but I'm curious if, on its own, the Sony 50 produces a 3D image that doesn't distract with problems (ie, if the ghosting and flicker issues are only by comparison, or if they are problems out-right).

Also, any ideas as to the value (image quality gains?) of the RF 3D eyeware on the 55 versus IR on the 50?

Thanks!

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Well i myself ended up buying Andreas21's lightly used hw50 with about 210 hours on the lamp and Im very pleased with it, it is honestly the best image I have ever owned, but that says plenty about me as well.

Anyhoo I should not comment on the hw55 but from a quick note from Andreas21 (who now has the hw55) said he pretty much couldn't have told the 50 apart from the 55 image quality wise, but he wanted the longer lamp life since his kids could watch several pixar movies a day if possible on it.

I have yet to try 3d on my 50, whenever I have tried 3d I have mostly prefered 2d material and swapped back to that and with the rich image from the sony 2d is often 3d enough.😎

I will eventually try 3d, but since I need a new 30' HDMI cable and whatnot first Im not rushing it.
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Well i myself ended up buying Andreas21's lightly used hw50 with about 210 hours on the lamp and Im very pleased with it, it is honestly the best image I have ever owned, but that says plenty about me as well.

Anyhoo I should not comment on the hw55 but from a quick note from Andreas21 (who now has the hw55) said he pretty much couldn't have told the 50 apart from the 55 image quality wise, but he wanted the longer lamp life since his kids could watch several pixar movies a day if possible on it.

I have yet to try 3d on my 50, whenever I have tried 3d I have mostly prefered 2d material and swapped back to that and with the rich image from the sony 2d is often 3d enough.😎

I will eventually try 3d, but since I need a new 30' HDMI cable and whatnot first Im not rushing it.

I had the HW50ES it was a great projector but just moved on to the new 500ES. You will really enjoy this piece, just be sure you have a higher gain screen if you want to play a lot of 3D as you will loose 75% of the brightness using the 3D glasses. Use a smaller screen and mount the PJ as close to the screen as is
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seems like a relevant thread to revive. Any first-hand comparision? I've read the french review that suggests the new 55 is not as bright.

My main concern is overall image quality and 3D image quality. I keep hearing of "ghosting" in comparision to DLP and the Epson 6030, but I'm curious if, on its own, the Sony 50 produces a 3D image that doesn't distract with problems (ie, if the ghosting and flicker issues are only by comparison, or if they are problems out-right).

Also, any ideas as to the value (image quality gains?) of the RF 3D eyeware on the 55 versus IR on the 50?

Thanks!

I would expect brightness to be the same. There is probably some difference in the Reality Creation, but will have to wait for a trusted in-depth review to tell the difference. Lamp life is improved and you now have the ability to use RF glasses without using a 3rd party kit. Any other differences will not be known until we have a few reviews out there.

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I would expect brightness to be the same. There is probably some difference in the Reality Creation, but will have to wait for a trusted in-depth review to tell the difference. Lamp life is improved and you now have the ability to use RF glasses without using a 3rd party kit. Any other differences will not be known until we have a few reviews out there.

Thanks,

I just checked the owners manual and I see no mention of RF ability, connections, or full HD 3D compatibility (so even if the emitter wasn't yet being offered by Sony, I'm confused that the manual says nothing about how it would be connected). Goes into great detail about how to hook up an external IR emitter though.

Thoughts? Getting the 55 to work with RF is my main objective... how is it any "different" than the 50 in this regard (the RF versus IR)? does it have some ability or connection that the manual is not covering?

https://docs.sony.com/release/VPLHW55ES.pdf

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From what I gather the new external emitter is RF but the built in is 'old' IR type blaster.

It uses the the rj-45 connection and it doesn't necessarily has to be Sony emitter, i believe some have had no problems using their old JVC emitter.
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