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I know that there will be multiple threads reporting on CEDIA, but I would encourage everyone to please add this thread as a central repository for information and first hand experience at the exhibits.

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Just a reminder to those attending CEDIA. AVS is hosting a party Friday starting at 5:30. Below is an excerpt from the announcement. If you are going to attend the AVS party you should post on the existing thread HERE.

"Friday evening, Sept. 27, from 5:30 to 8:30 PM at Jazz@Jack's, 500 16th St, #320, Denver, CO 80202; click here for the venue's website."

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Ok, day "zero"... registration, something called a 'media preview' and some press conferences. I doubt that there will be much to report today, but if anyone has attended or otherwise has any inside info of today's limited events, I am sure that we are all ears...biggrin.gif

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Arrived in Denver this afternoon and registered, but didn't attend preview event since not really much there related to HT projectors. Tomorrow starts off with JVC then Sony press conferences (unfortunately overlapping in time).

By the way I'm staying the Curtis Hotel (Doubletree). Any other AVS forum members also staying here?

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Remember to set your cell phone alarm to 8:45 AM in case you doze off during the JVC press conference.
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Remember to set your cell phone alarm to 8:45 AM in case you doze off during the JVC press conference.

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Not really. Ron and I are friends and I posted this suggestion before. The JVC press conference can at times be a little boring and they usually feed you a great breakfast first and its easy to doze off. We know Sony is going to have big projection news and the back to back conferences with distance between them means sneaking out on the first before its over in order not to miss the start of the second.

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I've just posted my first blog from CEDIA Expo 2013 - HERE. Basically JVC, as expected is adding 4K signal inputs to new eShift models, new DILA chips with higher fill factor result in 10% increased light output, and 4K inputs are used directly then digitally sampled to create the two 1080p eshift sub-frames (i.e., no downscaling of the 4K input then upscaling, as some here on AVS had speculated). I'll be back at JVC later today for a one-on-one so stay tuned for more info. As for Sony the 3 new projectors will be priced at $4K for the HW55ES, $15K for the VW600, and $28K for the VW1100ES. The 4K player and android table remote are a $1K option for the VW600 but standard with the VW1100ES. The VW1000ES upgrade will essentially bring that projector up to the features/capabilities of the VW1100ES. Also no lamp pulsing in the 4K projectors so no gain in 3D brightness. Saw short demo of VW600ES and it looks very good. I'll be back to the Sony booth this afternoon so will be posting more info later today.
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I've just posted my first blog from CEDIA Expo 2013 - HERE. Basically JVC, as expected is adding 4K signal inputs to new eShift models, new DILA chips with higher fill factor result in 10% increased light output, and 4K inputs are used directly then digitally sampled to create the two 1080p eshift sub-frames (i.e., no downscaling of the 4K input then upscaling, as some here on AVS had speculated). I'll be back at JVC later today for a one-on-one so stay tuned for more info. As for Sony the 3 new projectors will be priced at $4K for the HW55ES, $15K for the VW600, and $28K for the VW1100ES. The 4K player and android table remote are a $1K option for the VW600 but standard with the VW1100ES. The VW1000ES upgrade will essentially bring that projector up to the features/capabilities of the VW1100ES. Also no lamp pulsing in the 4K projectors so no gain in 3D brightness. Saw short demo of VW600ES and it looks very good. I'll be back to the Sony booth this afternoon so will be posting more info later today.

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Also no lamp pulsing in the 4K projectors so no gain in 3D brightness.

thanks Ron, a lot of people were waiting to hear about that potential feature.


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I've just posted my first blog from CEDIA Expo 2013 - HERE. Basically JVC, as expected is adding 4K signal inputs to new eShift models, new DILA chips with higher fill factor result in 10% increased light output, and 4K inputs are used directly then digitally sampled to create the two 1080p eshift sub-frames (i.e., no downscaling of the 4K input then upscaling, as some here on AVS had speculated). I'll be back at JVC later today for a one-on-one so stay tuned for more info. As for Sony the 3 new projectors will be priced at $4K for the HW55ES, $15K for the VW600, and $28K for the VW1100ES. The 4K player and android table remote are a $1K option for the VW600 but standard with the VW1100ES. The VW1000ES upgrade will essentially bring that projector up to the features/capabilities of the VW1100ES. Also no lamp pulsing in the 4K projectors so no gain in 3D brightness. Saw short demo of VW600ES and it looks very good. I'll be back to the Sony booth this afternoon so will be posting more info later today.

Will JVC be demoing their projectors so you and others can see them in action?

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thanks Ron, a lot of people were waiting to hear about that potential feature.

More info added to my blog (HERE) including JVC press release and more pics. I'm off to see Epson in a few minutes.

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Perhaps the biggest news is JVC is adding a dynamic iris to their projectors. The top of the line JVC projectors (e.g., DLA-RS67, RS6710) now boasts a 150,000:1 native contrast ratio and when the dynamic iris is used up to 1,500,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio is claimed.
It's about time!!

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I had a discussion (along with Art from Projector Reviews) with a JVC consumer projector manager. I asked about the HDMI status on their new 4K input projectors. It turns out both inputs while only certified for HDMI 1.4b can actually accept 4K at 60Hz and in fact they were showing some 4K video at 60Hz coming from a Redray player via a single HDMI cable. So previous reports of having to use two HDMI cables and both HDMI inputs on the projector to enable 60Hz mode were incorrect, perhaps triggered by some not so accurate automated translations from JVC materials provided to dealers overseas.

I'll be posting some info on the new Epson models on the Blog within the next hour.

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I had a discussion (along with Art from Projector Reviews) with a JVC consumer projector manager. I asked about the HDMI status on their new 4K input projectors. It turns out both inputs while only certified for HDMI 1.4b can actually accept 4K at 60Hz and in fact they were showing some 4K video at 60Hz coming from a Redray player via a single HDMI cable. So previous reports of having to use two HDMI cables and both HDMI inputs on the projector to enable 60Hz mode were incorrect, perhaps triggered by some not so accurate automated translations from JVC materials provided to dealers overseas.

I'll be posting some info on the new Epson models on the Blog within the next hour.

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Thoughts on how the jvc looked with a 4k source? Compared to the vw500es, what are your quick impressions?
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Is there no announcement from Onkyo or Integra regarding their new line ups? I want to know if they are updating their pre-pros.

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Is there no announcement from Onkyo or Integra regarding their new line ups? I want to know if they are updating their pre-pros.

Not in this forum. This is front projection territory.
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I had a discussion (along with Art from Projector Reviews) with a JVC consumer projector manager. I asked about the HDMI status on their new 4K input projectors. It turns out both inputs while only certified for HDMI 1.4b can actually accept 4K at 60Hz and in fact they were showing some 4K video at 60Hz coming from a Redray player via a single HDMI cable. So previous reports of having to use two HDMI cables and both HDMI inputs on the projector to enable 60Hz mode were incorrect, perhaps triggered by some not so accurate automated translations from JVC materials provided to dealers overseas.

I'll be posting some info on the new Epson models on the Blog within the next hour.

This won't work. Sure it might be able to accept the signal, BUT a device WON'T send the signal unless Both devices are HDMI 2.0. Or the HDMI group adds 4k 60hz to 1.4 profile. The only way this would work is if JVC had a converter box that would convert the signal. I doubt this would even work because of the new HDCP 2.2 on the new standard.
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Not much going on in this thread, any sign of the RED projector? Apart from the JVC, Sony and Epson news, any other new models?

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This won't work. Sure it might be able to accept the signal, BUT a device WON'T send the signal unless Both devices are HDMI 2.0. Or the HDMI group adds 4k 60hz to 1.4 profile. The only way this would work is if JVC had a converter box that would convert the signal. I doubt this would even work because of the new HDCP 2.2 on the new standard.

I disagree. They may be using a HDMI chip designed to HDMI 2.0, but one that has not been certified as compliant to the 2.0 standard and without that certification it cannot be advertised as being 2.0. Same situation with the original PS3s which used HDMI chips that were certified as ver. 1.2 but in fact had the essential capabilities of ver 1.3 (such as support for 1080p/60) that allowed then to interact correctly with displays that had HDMI 1.3 inputs. I don't know which version of HDCP they support. Perhaps I can find out more from JVC today.

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Red cancelled its show space. Evidently they had nothing ready to show. Reportedly, there is at least one Redray running a loop for some exhibit, I don't remember which.

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Red cancelled its show space. Evidently they had nothing ready to show. Reportedly, there is at least one Redray running a loop for some exhibit, I don't remember which.

I believe they are using a Redray for the JVC E-shift projectors
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Not in this forum. This is front projection territory.

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I disagree. They may be using a HDMI chip designed to HDMI 2.0, but one that has not been certified as compliant to the 2.0 standard and without that certification it cannot be advertised as being 2.0. Same situation with the original PS3s which used HDMI chips that were certified as ver. 1.2 but in fact had the essential capabilities of ver 1.3 (such as support for 1080p/60) that allowed then to interact correctly with displays that had HDMI 1.3 inputs. I don't know which version of HDCP they support. Perhaps I can find out more from JVC today.

U can't firmware update 1.4 to 2.0 like they did with ps3 1.2 to 1.3. Ps3 was RECOGNIZED as 1.3 after update. JVC will not be seen as a 2.0 device because of this. Not sure what u mean by certified. Its either 1.4 or 2.0. Can't have 1.4 chips and be compatible with all new 2.0 chip. Best ask JVC what they are doing.
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Sony is reportedly using this approach. The new 2013 4K display devices have 2.0 capable chips, even if they were released as 1.4 units (such as their most recent 4K TV), and will be updated via firmware. JVC could do the same. I imagine both are embers of the HDMI alliance and would have had the knowledge necessary to design this in.

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This increase the risk of compatibility issues.
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So how significant is a 10% bump in brightness for the JVC's? Will this equate to a 10% bumb in best picture mode? If so, wouldn't that bring it up into Sony territory - 990 vs 1000?
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In order to double the perceived brightness to your eyes, a 400% increase in brightness is needed. A 10% increase in brightness will translate to about a 3 to 4% increase in perceived brightness to your eyes. While I believe JVC has improved their machines significantly this year, the brightness increase is not significant and is essentially meaningless except for advertising purposes. All the manufacturers do this and JVC is merely following suit. Not something to hold against them and an increase is better than a decrease done merely to raise contrast numbers.

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