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So far it's a mixed bag. I don't watch any 3D myself, so that isn't an issue for me. The Lumis looks better to me with HDTV, and I prefer motion handling on the Lumis. However, Blu Rays look outstanding on the VW600. I haven't had time to really do a comparison since I was on vacation last week, so more to follow. At least they are both permanently installed now, for easy use of either one.

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Stacked VW600 and SIM Lumis Host. Twin projectors and twin screens. I'm losing my mind over here !





Are you a spend thrift or what That stacking system probably cost you about $15 if you already had the mount for the Sim2. why didn't you just buy 2 more cheap shelf brackets, another piece of what and shelf mount them both and just flea bay your sim2 mount. you would have turned a profit. And what's with the cooling flexible ducts hanging on either side of the Sony? Are they hooked up? And why don't you now provide some ventilation for the Sim2? The wood appears to block any aid from those flexible ducts.


BTW. If you get even a small quake, those projectors will be destroyed with that mounting system.

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Are you a spend thrift or what That stacking system probably cost you about $15 if you already had the mount for the Sim2. why didn't you just buy 2 more cheap shelf brackets, another piece of what and shelf mount them both and just flea bay your sim2 mount. you would have turned a profit. And what's with the cooling flexible ducts hanging on either side of the Sony? Are they hooked up? And why don't you now provide some ventilation for the Sim2? The wood appears to block any aid from those flexible ducts.


BTW. If you get even a small quake, those projectors will be destroyed with that mounting system.

I was wondering where you were Mark. You're slow this week. Those shelf brackets are heavy steel - they could hold you and your dog. And yes, the ventilation system works - the duct for the Lumis is moved out of the way " for illustration purposes only ".


Who cares about the projectors in an earthquake - I've got 1350 bottles of wine that exceeds the MSRP of both projectors combined x 2.5 !




This is exactly why The Wizard never wanted them to see what was behind the curtain - " haters gonna hate " !

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Serious question, I wonder if a steel shelf might have some affect on the electronics inside the projector case?

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Serious question, I wonder if a steel shelf might have some affect on the electronics inside the projector case?
It looks like the shelf is a piece of 3/4" plywood with a piece of 3/4" MDF on top of it. It also looks like the shelf is screwed to the shelf brackets, so the shelf is fairly well fixed in place. I use a similar shelf system for demo projectors.

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I reread Craig's post and I stand corrected. Craig said the brackets were heavy steel. I have no problem with using a cheap shelf mounting system. I just wonder with using that system in a frequent earth quake zone and wonder why using a ceiling mount for one of the two projectors. Why not shelf mount both? The ceiling mount in this case doesn't add anything. It may be necessary for the Sim2 though because its lens shift system only works in one direction.

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I reread craig's post ad I stand corrected. craig said the brackets were heavy steel. I have no problem with using a cheap shelf mounting system. I just wonder with using that system but not in a frequent earth quake zone and wonder why using a ceiling mount for one of the two projectors. Why not shelf mount both? The ceiling mount in this case doesn't add anything. It may be necessary for the Sim2 though because its lens shift system only works in one direction.
You are correct about the SIM - due to my screen / projector geometry, it works only in a traditional ceiling mounted position. My previous DPI dVision 1080p worked shelf mounted. Plus, adding a shelf, even if it worked, would lessen the ventilation / air flow in the closet. One reason I used the heavy duty twin steel shelf bracket system is future flexibility. I plan to live here until I kick the bucket. So, I need to be able to raise, lower, maybe mount 2 ( or even 3 ? ) projectors at a time, shelf mount, " ceiling mount " - if I still had an NEC HT1000, it would have to be mounted upside down hanging above where the VW600 is now to work due to it's offset.

I'm not in an earthquake zone - I'm in the Sierra Nevada foothills. Didn't feel a thing from that last Napa quake. In fact, I would trust that shelf to hold at least 10 cases ( that's about 480 pounds ) of Petrus or Romanee Conti, and a box of Cuban cigars !! Or 35 year old single malt if you prefer. This heavy duty Rubermaid steel shelving is super strong - I have hundreds of pounds of climbing, camping and Burning Man ( skipping this year ) gear hanging on it in my garage ! The shelf is 3/4" finish plywood.

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You are correct about the SIM - due to my screen / projector geometry, it works only in a traditional ceiling mounted position. My previous DPI dVision 1080p worked shelf mounted. Plus, adding a shelf, even if it worked, would lessen the ventilation / air flow in the closet. One reason I used the heavy duty twin steel shelf bracket system is future flexibility. I plan to live here until I kick the bucket. So, I need to be able to raise, lower, maybe mount 2 ( or even 3 ? ) projectors at a time, shelf mount, " ceiling mount " - if I still had an NEC HT1000, it would have to be mounted upside down hanging above where the VW600 is now to work due to it's offset.

I'm not in an earthquake zone - I'm in the Sierra Nevada foothills. Didn't feel a thing from that last Napa quake. In fact, I would trust that shelf to hold at least 10 cases ( that's about 480 pounds ) of Petrus or Romanee Conti, and a box of Cuban cigars !! Or 35 year old single malt if you prefer. This heavy duty Rubermaid steel shelving is super strong - I have hundreds of pounds of climbing, camping and Burning Man ( skipping this year ) gear hanging on it in my garage ! The shelf is 3/4" finish plywood.
I use the same brackets in my shelf system. One of the few out there with 20" deep shelf brackets. Have had as many as three projectors mounted on it.

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I'd like to see that!

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See that? I'd like someone to bring some over so I could drink that ! 5 decanters, no waiting !!


I messed around with my VW600 Sunday, trying to get it dialing in and experimenting with some settings. Got it to the point that it looks really good with HDTV ( watched a few episodes of " Extant " off the Dish Hopper, and a few minutes of " American Ninja Warrior " among other things ). Low lamp on my 122" diagonal 16:9 Cima Neve - 815.42 lumens / 20.44 foot lamberts ! Watched Skyfall on Blu Ray last night with some friends - absolutely stunning picture on the 128" diagonal 2.35:1 StudioTek 130 ! Still getting around 18 foot lamberts on that screen without an anamorphic lens ! The night scenes in Shanghai and Macau were stunning ( as was the final act ). This projector rocks ! I like it better in my theater than I did at Cedia!

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Ah "le Nectar de la Romanée Conti"...

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I messed around with my VW600 Sunday, trying to get it dialing in and experimenting with some settings. Got it to the point that it looks really good with HDTV.
I agree. Comcast 720p & 1080i both upscale beautifully on the 600. Best broadcast/cable TV picture I've ever seen.
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The scaling rings on the 500/600 and on the 1000/1100. Tthe ringing bothers me and some others but can be completely eliminated with the current 4k 60 out Lumagens.

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The scaling rings on the 500/600 and on the 1000/1100. the ringing bothers me and some others but can be completely eliminated with the current $k 60 out Lumagens.

How do you setup the Sony and the Lumagen to do this Mark?


I have both but want to make sure I have it set correctly...

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If you feed the Sony UHD (3840 x 2160) at 60 from the Lumagen with 720p 60 or 1080i 60 video sources you will bypass the sony deinterlacing and/or scaling. I don't presently have the Lumagen 4K processor, I am not sure whether the best results re ringing elimination or feeding the Sony UHD vs 4K. The image is sharper feeding UHD.

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I am trying decide between a 16:9 screen and a 2.35:1 screen for a 600ES I am about to purchase. I looked through the manual and saw something that spooked me. It seems to indicate that you can't mess with the aspect ratio when 4k is being displayed. So what happens if you have a 2.35:1 screen? The WAF of having to mess with projector settings is troubling me (she can barely turn my current one on).
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The scaling rings on the 500/600 and on the 1000/1100. Tthe ringing bothers me and some others but can be completely eliminated with the current 4k 60 out Lumagens.

I think the picture looks cleaner with RC off, Motion Flow on " combination " and sharpening lowered to 10, as recommended in this thread. Skyfall looked absolutely sharp as a tack wonderful. Motion, while maybe not quite like my Lumis, looked very good. This projector is growing on me.

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fmp-X10 500ES Compatibility

Okay...I have scoured this forum and may have missed it. Has anyone had success in pairing the FMP-X10 with the 500ES? I live in Canada and really don't want to limit myself with the X5...as that will basically only add Netflix 4K access. I was kind of hoping they might have a firmware update to the PS4 that would do that decoding.

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I am trying decide between a 16:9 screen and a 2.35:1 screen for a 600ES I am about to purchase. I looked through the manual and saw something that spooked me. It seems to indicate that you can't mess with the aspect ratio when 4k is being displayed. So what happens if you have a 2.35:1 screen? The WAF of having to mess with projector settings is troubling me (she can barely turn my current one on).
I believe you're referring to the mention of the Aspect control on p. 31 of the manual. This is more like what we usually call a Zoom control. The actual aspect ratio control which switches between 16:9 and 2.35:1 is called Position on this projector. Once you have set the correct Position based on the aspect ratio of the source material, you can set the Aspect to ensure the screen is filled as much as possible. The manual does say you can't use the Aspect control in 4K. But (I assume) you can still use the Position control to get the aspect ratio right.

I have a 2.35:1 screen and wouldn't go back to 16:9. But the WAF could be problematic. The viewer must recognize which screen "Position" is appropriate for each program being viewed and set the Position control accordingly. It's not automatic.

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Okay...I have scoured this forum and may have missed it. Has anyone had success in pairing the FMP-X10 with the 500ES? I live in Canada and really don't want to limit myself with the X5...as that will basically only add Netflix 4K access. I was kind of hoping they might have a firmware update to the PS4 that would do that decoding.

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Thanks for the info. Was there any special set-up required?...i.e. to input 2? Are you able to access the Sony download site? Did you have to do anything special to get access.

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John,
Yes input 2. You need to use a VPN to access the content to download etc.

Once you have the content on the X10 you don't need a VPN to watch it etc.

If you haven't created a Sony account then you will have to with a US address (make one up).

Then buy Sony PSN gift cards to populate your wallet.
They are on eBay but they want about 20% more so I created Amazon account under the same US address I use on the Sony account and buy through them. A $100 card =$99. Better than eBay's $125+.

You can only have $150 max in your wallet.

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If you feed the Sony UHD (3840 x 2160) at 60 from the Lumagen with 720p 60 or 1080i 60 video sources you will bypass the sony deinterlacing and/or scaling. I don't presently have the Lumagen 4K processor, I am not sure whether the best results re ringing elimination or feeding the Sony UHD vs 4K. The image is sharper feeding UHD.


Ok I understand, looks like I don't need to do that as I only use BDs.


My 500 will be replaced with my new 1100 on the 15th Sept, hope the changeover is noticeable!

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Hi 500/600 owners, it's been a while since my last post

Just want to share that I upgrade my screen to a 138 inch 2.35:1 Da-lite HD Pro 0.9 (JKP)

After couples of days of testing, I found this screen to be really a good match with the Sony. The high brightness of the Sony combine with the texture free JKP screen make the image really look at is best. Pretty happy so far.

I also make myself a big gift and order a Carada CIH masking. I know couple of owner here already use Carada masking so cant wait to try that one... It should be here next week.
If I remember well, you had before an Elunevision reference 4k 100 screen and were pretty happy with it. Why did you upgrade to the jpk 0.9 and which qualities do you feel have been upgraded?
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I believe you're referring to the mention of the Aspect control on p. 31 of the manual. This is more like what we usually call a Zoom control. The actual aspect ratio control which switches between 16:9 and 2.35:1 is called Position on this projector. Once you have set the correct Position based on the aspect ratio of the source material, you can set the Aspect to ensure the screen is filled as much as possible. The manual does say you can't use the Aspect control in 4K. But (I assume) you can still use the Position control to get the aspect ratio right.

I have a 2.35:1 screen and wouldn't go back to 16:9. But the WAF could be problematic. The viewer must recognize which screen "Position" is appropriate for each program being viewed and set the Position control accordingly. It's not automatic.
No problem I have watched 4k widescreen content using a 2.35 "stored" position
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So ...

4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in Late 2015

and:

4K Blu-ray discs arriving in 2015 to fight streaming media

Is there:
  • a good chance
  • a slight chance
  • no chance

that our illustrious 4K projector will support this new standard?

Apologies if this horse has been beaten to death elsewhere.

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So ...

4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in Late 2015

and:

4K Blu-ray discs arriving in 2015 to fight streaming media

Is there:
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  • a slight chance
  • no chance
that our illustrious 4K projector will support this new standard?

Apologies if this horse has been beaten to death elsewhere.

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I refer you back to the 4K Blu Ray thread, where this is discussed. Looks like at least the first version of 4K Blu Ray will work with VW600 / 1100's just fine. But of course there are a lot of additional details to come.

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If you feed the Sony UHD (3840 x 2160) at 60 from the Lumagen with 720p 60 or 1080i 60 video sources you will bypass the sony deinterlacing and/or scaling. I don't presently have the Lumagen 4K processor, I am not sure whether the best results re ringing elimination or feeding the Sony UHD vs 4K. The image is sharper feeding UHD.
Is this true for 3840x2160 @ 60 or just for 4096x2160 @ 60? I ask because I am effectively bypassing Sony's scaling when feeding 4096x2160 @ 60 with my PC but not 3840x2160 @ 60. I know I am bypassing the scaler for two reasons: 1) input lag is gone, 2) the ASPECT control in the remote shows NOT APPLICABLE (or NOT AVAILABLE) when feeding in 4096x2160 @ 60.

When I input 3840x2160 @ 60 to the Sony, the ASPECT control still works and the input lag is there... so it looks like I am not bypassing the scaler.

Can anyone actually confirm there is a way to effectively bypass the scaler (and hence input lag) at 3840x2160 @ 60 with the VW500/600?

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I refer you back to the 4K Blu Ray thread, where this is discussed. Looks like at least the first version of 4K Blu Ray will work with VW600 / 1100's just fine. But of course there are a lot of additional details to come.
Except regarding p3 support. Only the vw1x00es has the filter that allows for it (using a filter, which causes a loss of lumens).


Sony claims DCI compatibility for the 300/500/600ES but they forget to specify it's only for the true 4K resolution, not for the gamut.


There is hopefully a mechanism to convert p3 to rec709 in the bluray 4K delivery mechanism, so these models should be fine but not regarding displaying the full p3 gamut, if this is what's required for bluray 4K as rumoured.
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