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Yes, but on the other hand, the VW600 has one of the brightest and best pictures I've seen, with Blu Rays, and HDTV - both of which will be around for many years. So I'll be enjoying mine for the next 4 or 5 years while the whole 4K UHD mess sorts itself out. If it ever does. Then I can see if I need to replace it. Or not.
If I could get one at dealer cost I would buy one but paying $15,000 when it is sold in Japan for less than $7,000 is a problem for me !

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If I could get one at dealer cost I would buy one but paying $15,000 when it is sold in Japan for less than $7,000 is a problem for me !
I read this then looked at your signature. You have a sweet set up so I'm surprised by your comments 'although I know what you mean'
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Trying to dig up official/reputable confirmation of an upcoming firmware update that will address input lag (and whatever else). Where is this information coming from? As far as I can tell, various forum members are bringing it up, but nothing from AVS, Sony, etc... which to me just leaves it as your typical internet hearsay... "I heard from a guy whose best friend interned in sony's call center" type stuff Dare I get my hopes up?

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Trying to dig up official/reputable confirmation of an upcoming firmware update that will address input lag (and whatever else). Where is this information coming from? As far as I can tell, various forum members are bringing it up, but nothing from AVS, Sony, etc... which to me just leaves it as your typical internet hearsay... "I heard from a guy whose best friend interned in sony's call center" type stuff Dare I get my hopes up?

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We were told at CEDIA that an update was coming.

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Thanks Mike! I couldn't dig that up through the searches I did. Any indication of the time-frame?
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Thanks Mike! I couldn't dig that up through the searches I did. Any indication of the time-frame?
It's also mentioned here:

http://www.cine4home.de/tests/projek...vw300_test.htm

(search for "input lag")

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Home cinema manufacturers have been rushing to release new AV receivers with 4K capable HDMIs, yet only one AVR brand has implemented HDCP 2.2 and that's Onkyo. Five of its new receivers, plus one processor, offer the copy protection, albeit on a single HDMI (STB/DVR).



The new Sony ZA3000ES has 2 HDMI 2.2 inputs and 2 HDMI 2.2 outputs.

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Home cinema manufacturers have been rushing to release new AV receivers with 4K capable HDMIs, yet only one AVR brand has implemented HDCP 2.2 and that's Onkyo. Five of its new receivers, plus one processor, offer the copy protection, albeit on a single HDMI (STB/DVR).

The new Sony ZA3000ES has 2 HDMI 2.2 inputs and 2 HDMI 2.2 outputs.

Onkyo has HDCP 2.2 (only on one input and out output) but it only supports HDMI 2.0 level B (same bandwidth as HDMI 1.4, 10Gb/s limited to 4K 60p at 4:2:0 8 bits).


The others manufacturers don't have HDCP 2.2 but they support HDMI 2.0 level A (full 18Gb/s bandwidth).

Do you mean that the Sony ZA3000ES has both HDMI 2.0 level A and HDCP 2.2 on 2 inputs/outputs?
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But it doesn't have Atmos.

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But it doesn't have Atmos.
Thanks, I won't waste time looking it up then
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I think if it has 2.2 it doesn't need 2.0. I would think its backwards compatible. I am waiting on Sony to return my call regarding the 2.2 specs. Getting more sources to input 2 my 600 ES via AV switching is my immediate goal. Currently outputting 4096x2160/60 to the 600ES from my HTCP with a NVIDIA 760 graphic card

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Don't hold your breadth. Sony after the last layoff is slow to respond.

I do believe you are a little confused about what is being discussed here. 2.2 means HDCP 2.2. That means the receiver will act as a HDCP 2.2 relayer. It will pass HDCP 2.2 as well as all earlier HDCP versions. Sony 4K content is protected by HDCP 2.2 and the display must be HDCP 2.2 compliant protected and all things in the video chain must be able to relay or send HDCP 2.2 if the source material at 4K is protected by HDCP 2.2.


HDMI is something else. Its is a method of transmission and it is bandwidth limited. HDMI 2.0 technically has a bandwidth of 18 GBS. HDMI chips need to accept 18 GBS to be fully HDMI 2.0 compliant. We nerds around here, but no one else,stuck up techies like us have our own idiotic labeling to save posting bandwidth.. We call chips with 18 GBS bandwidth HDMI 2.0 A. Most stuff out there because of chip unavailability use chips with only 10.2 GBS bandwidth. This can be remembered because it rhymes with Tippecanoe and Tyler Too. Our UK friend, Manni01 is sloppy. He cites 10.0 GBS when as a video nerd he should say 10.2. But he is English and can be forgiven for not knowing this old political slogan. We call these 10,2 chips HDMI 2.0 B. This bandwidth is used on say the Sony 4K projectors and because of the limited bandwidth will as far as 4K or UHD signals are concerned only pass 60 fps info at 8 bits with only chroma subsampling at 4:2:0.

This is deemed as low quality by us and pretty much all video nerds in the free or other worlds. We want more, say 10, 12, or 16 bits at a minimum of 4:2:2 subsampling. At 24 or 30 fps there is enough band width to up the bits and subsampling to make us happier than pigs taking a mud bath. We are basically simple nerds.
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