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The projector has separate modes for 3d. All the same names too, cinema film 1, 2, reference, game, etc.

Colors look great through the glasses. The glasses are very light too, lighter than the monsters I used before with the vw95

Btw, the lamp can be set to low or high in 3d mode.

I might try how it looks on my regular screen first then. thanks
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The projector has separate modes for 3d. All the same names too, cinema film 1, 2, reference, game, etc.

Colors look great through the glasses. The glasses are very light too, lighter than the monsters I used before with the vw95

Btw, the lamp can be set to low or high in 3d mode.

Has anyone figured out whether or not the external IR emitter will work with the 500/600 to use the original Sony IR glasses?
It is shown as an accessory for the 500 overseas, just wondering if someone figured it out one way or another. I have 8 pairs
Of the IR rechargeable glasses that I would prefer to keep, at least for a while anyway.
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Would be interesting to get that reading now for the low lamp mode, could you measure that one, too?

OK, have 2180 hrs on the lamp of my 1000ES. As said, in high lamp I measure ~ 780 lumens, which gives me ~ 27 ftL off my HP screen. In low lamp i measure ~ 580 lumens, which gives ~ 20 ftL off the screen. I'm using high lamp now.
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Pretty interesting read.

I will say that the blacks, while not as good as the highest end jvc projectors, is much better than my old vw95, and that was supposed to be comparable to the x70 series.

Also, there is definately a little more lag, It doesn't feel like 100ms. I wonder if they tested in game mode with all processing off (motionflow, iris, rc)
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Did they calibrate? Screen type? Gamma?

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For those who are interested in Bluray 4K and are following the progress of my bet with Mark, I have pre-ordered a PS4 as from the specs it looks like it's bluray drive is a BDXL model able to read triple and quadruple BDXL layers (100Gb and 128Gb), and we already know that 100Gb BDXL discs are likely to be used for the first gen 4K blurays, as per the recent Singulus press release. I also want an x.v.color / Mastered in 4K compatible bluray player to do some tests, so it will be used right away. Of course no intention to play any game on it. None at all smile.gif.

Anyway I believe that the PS4 will be one of the first (if not the first) bluray 4K player available, through a simple f/w upgrade, as it has already been confirmed the PS4 ships with a 10.8Gbit HDMI 2.0 interface and should be HDCP 2.2 compliant as well.

The main question still is when will the BDA publish the specs for Bluray 4K, as they are delayed by this legal wrangle over the rights for the H265/HEVC codec, but I expect the f/w update making the PS4 a Bluray 4K player to ship within a couple of months - if not weeks - after the publication of the specs.

How is that for a little hope? smile.gif

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You just keep bringing good news to us.. wink.gif


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Did they calibrate? Screen type? Gamma?

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yeah, basic test, nothing in depth. Still, it says something (good)
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If it has 4K pass through, then I do not see a problem. You connect the server to your AVR just like any other device. If your AVR did not have 4K pass through, then you would need a second cable feeding directly from server to projector and an HDMI feeding from the second HDMI output on the server to your AVR.

Thanks. Feel better now. Almost had a bloody heart attack!
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Guys,

It seems more important now to be closer to the screen.
So what is the screen size and distance you're using?
What's ratio between those two? (Height to distance)

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Pretty interesting read.

I will say that the blacks, while not as good as the highest end jvc projectors, is much better than my old vw95, and that was supposed to be comparable to the x70 series.

Also, there is definately a little more lag, It doesn't feel like 100ms. I wonder if they tested in game mode with all processing off (motionflow, iris, rc)

blacks: Well, most of my movie are not made out of black, so while it is important, it is not that much important. At least to me.
"Burried" is rather dark though smile.gif

I saw a you short video, youtube?, where game mode was tested. He didn't mention lag or the absence of it.
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OK, have 2180 hrs on the lamp of my 1000ES. As said, in high lamp I measure ~ 780 lumens, which gives me ~ 27 ftL off my HP screen. In low lamp i measure ~ 580 lumens, which gives ~ 20 ftL off the screen. I'm using high lamp now.

Thanks, great info! So you are at roughly half of the starting light output of 1200 lumens in low lamp mode.
This is not too bad after more than 2000 hours and more than I thought one would get.
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Thanks. Feel better now. Almost had a bloody heart attack!

I think the server needs a HDMI 2.0 hand shake ...per my sony technical rep...4k pass through is not good enough. I guess theyre triying to protect the content as best they can...It wont go through Sonys own flagship receiver the 5800
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If it has 4K pass through, then I do not see a problem. You connect the server to your AVR just like any other device. If your AVR did not have 4K pass through, then you would need a second cable feeding directly from server to projector and an HDMI feeding from the second HDMI output on the server to your AVR.


I think the server needs a HDMI 2.0 hand shake ...per my sony technical rep...4k pass through is not good enough. I guess theyre triying to protect the content as best they can...It wont go through Sonys own flagship receiver the 5800
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Guys,

It seems more important now to be closer to the screen.
So what is the screen size and distance you're using?
What's ratio between those two? (Height to distance)

-R

It varies quite a bit. I sit fairly close--10 to 11 ft from a 6 ft high screen, i.e, just below 2 PH (pic heights)--though there are some who sit even closer. Sony advertises that 4K allows one to sit as close as 1.6 PH, approximately the front row of a movie theater.
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Manni,

You just keep bringing good news to us.. wink.gif

To be honest these are more educated guesses but I do hope these will turn into news at some point smile.gif

I'm sure the BDXL inside the PS4 will be confirmed soon by an owner.
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Would anyone know where I could get the manual to control these with IP control?

Failing this, could anyone point me to the IP control codes for the closest model?

Thanks!
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Crap. Literally just got the receiver to replace my older one. I wonder if ps4 and xbox1 will cause issues too... This is a problem...
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I got two vw500es projectors at home right now. I noticed that blue was off by one whole pixel on cold start and so I adjusted it and then 30 minutes later it was off again. Looks like blue is affected the most by temperature. Red was spot on the whole time, not even a slight bleed. Blue just moved exactly one up or one down.

As far as initial impressions, the thing is a frighten light cannon compared to my 4810. I'm using an HP screen and my eyes were seriously hurting.

I only spent an hour with it yesterday and today I'll check the other one out. But so far this projector needs a smoother screen than my HP. I can't make out the pixels due to
The texture of the HP. I'm only at 100 inches so a bigger screen would be best.

Definitely notice the lag though. I haven't tried gaming mode yet. That'll be next.



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I'd be very interested in hearing your impressions between the 4810 and the 500ES. I currently have a JVC DLA-X55R which is the pro version of the 4810. I'm particularly interested in hearing your thoughts on image sharpness, contrast performance between the two, and motion handling.

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I got two vw500es projectors at home right now. I noticed that blue was off by one whole pixel on cold start and so I adjusted it and then 30 minutes later it was off again. Looks like blue is affected the most by temperature. Red was spot on the whole time, not even a slight bleed. Blue just moved exactly one up or one down.

As far as initial impressions, the thing is a frighten light cannon compared to my 4810. I'm using an HP screen and my eyes were seriously hurting.

I only spent an hour with it yesterday and today I'll check the other one out. But so far this projector needs a smoother screen than my HP. I can't make out the pixels due to
The texture of the HP. I'm only at 100 inches so a bigger screen would be best.

Definitely notice the lag though. I haven't tried gaming mode yet. That'll be next.




Try auto limited iris setting or manual iris and turn down the brightness (if these settings do exist on the 500) especially with a small screen.
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As far as initial impressions, the thing is a frighten light cannon compared to my 4810. I'm using an HP screen and my eyes were seriously hurting.

I only spent an hour with it yesterday and today I'll check the other one out. But so far this projector needs a smoother screen than my HP. I can't make out the pixels due to
The texture of the HP. I'm only at 100 inches so a bigger screen would be best.

Turn the RC off and bring up the focus pattern, it's easier to focus when RC is off. imo it's difficult to know exactly when it's in focus since you aren't going to easily see an individual pixel like on the 4810. I am running UHD test patterns on my 1000 and I can finally tell whether the focus was right or not.

since you have the 500, you can go with a much bigger screen. Fill up the wall if you can.

have fun with your new projector. smile.gif


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Not really hearing a lot of people being unanimously blown away upon receipt and setup. Should I be worried?
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The HP screen is not that smooth and I can imagine the problem in obtaining perfect focus using it. That said, if you are close to spot on focus and sit a bit away the diffference in obtaining the exact precise focus will not be that apparent and nothing as bothersome as always seeing the fabric and knowing you are viewing light bouncing off a fabric. Da-lite I suspect would state HP is not a 4K fabric, that is one appropriate for viewing 4K. However, it will work. Any screen will work.

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I have other screen materials I've tested, I still think it's a bit difficult if you're trying to get it dead on. The UHD patterns on the HTPC make it much easier.

my 3840 x 2160 PC desktop looks remarkably sharp and detailed on the HP, I know it can be better but I don't think it's quite as bad as we think after seeing these native test patterns.

This lens handles CA well and the very small fonts are nice and sharp on all 4 corners of the 142". It will be curious to see if the 500/600 lens can handle this well.


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my 3840 x 2160 PC desktop looks remarkably sharp and detailed on the HP,

I'm curious: does it look that way both up close and at a viewing distance?

I found with my HP (2.8, when I had it up and compared with neutral gain material) that up close pixels were definitely more blurred by the optical coating. But stepping away from the screen at a normal viewing distance,
the image no longer looked more blurred, it actually looked a bit sharper than the neutral gain screen, owing to the brighter image no doubt. If I found 1080p pixel resolution blurry looking up close on the HP, I'd have guessed 4K pixels to look even less distinct. Though, again, at a normal viewing distance I wonder if there'd be any difference. I'm not sure if anyone has done an apples-to-apples comparison for 4K resolution; viewing 4K resolution patterns (or other material) on an HP and a neutral gain screen, with brightness equalized. (And that is probably tough to do in of itself, without bringing in other variables).

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Obviously, the 500/600ES won't do it as well but will be good enough. On the 1000ES and on my Snomatt, I can resolve the pixel on the Sony built in focus pattern. Every once in a while I check it but it hasn't moved a bit.

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I'm curious: does it look that way both up close and at a viewing distance?

I found with my HP (2.8, when I had it up and compared with neutral gain material) that up close pixels were definitely more blurred by the optical coating. But stepping away from the screen at a normal viewing distance,
the image no longer looked more blurred, it actually looked a bit sharper than the neutral gain screen, owing to the brighter image no doubt. If I found 1080p pixel resolution blurry looking up close on the HP, I'd have guessed 4K pixels to look even less distinct. Though, again, at a normal viewing distance I wonder if there'd be any difference. I'm not sure if anyone has done an apples-to-apples comparison for 4K resolution; viewing 4K resolution patterns (or other material) on an HP and a neutral gain screen, with brightness equalized. (And that is probably tough to do in of itself, without bringing in other variables).

it's surprisingly clear up close, I can take some close up shots later and show you. If very small text looks this clear and legible, I don't really have any fear that it's taking some major amount of PQ away from watching regular content.

I just purchased a number of 4K test patterns from:

http://www.burosch.de/4k-uhdtv-uhd.html

Also downloaded a series of 4K material shot on the Red EPIC, very high quality content, not compressed like the youtube 4K.

http://www.elementaltechnologies.com/resources/4k-test-sequences

If the 2.8HP passes with top shelf 4K content, it can stay for a little while since I am still digging bright 3D.


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Hi , I think I am the only one here ! But it seems that there have other one that got the same issue ! My blue is the same as you ! Every time I adjust the pixel correctly , but after a few hour the blue is shift to somewhere else itself ! It was really annoying ! So how can u fix it ? Thx ,
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