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Hi guys,

I got Vw500 today!!!!!!! I am planning on installing it tonight and I have one question. I already have ceiling mount from my current projector. It is the one with the extension arm (so the projector is some 50cm from the ceiling). The mount is centrally positioned.
Since Sony has electronic lens, would it possible to mount it without this extension arm, since Sony is huge projector and it would be low positioned (so that basically is some 5-10cm from the ceiling)? My screen has 50cm drop, so would this affect the picture in any way, or would it be fine? I hope you understand what I mean.
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Thanks Craig. I understand that I can use vertical shift. My question was would this degrade the picture in any way, because for my previous projector was recommended that it should sit in line with the top of the screen, and in this case, Sony would be some 20 inches above?
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Thanks Craig. I understand that I can use vertical shift. My question was would this degrade the picture in any way, because for my previous projector was recommended that it should sit in line with the top of the screen, and in this case, Sony would be some 20 inches above?
I wouldn't use more lens shift than absolutely necessary - I would try to get the lens close to the top of the screen. That's where I have mine. Whether having it further above the screen will " degrade " the picture - hard to say - try it. You can always lower the projector, can't you?

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I wouldn't use more lens shift than absolutely necessary - I would try to get the lens close to the top of the screen. That's where I have mine. Whether having it further above the screen will " degrade " the picture - hard to say - try it. You can always lower the projector, can't you?

No. Its not hard to say. It will soften the picture toward the areas undergoing the largest reposition from lens center and CA will worsen. 20 inches is huge. Of course if one sits far enough away and for one who is very uncritical re PQ, they may conclude it looks the same and is great.


But a better answer to will it degrade PQ, the answer is YES if you mount the projector with lens center above screen top. However, ou ma not become aware of the degradation depending on a variety of factors.

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No. Its not hard to say. It will soften the picture toward the areas undergoing the largest reposition from lens center and CA will worsen. 20 inches is huge. Of course if one sits far enough away and for one who is very uncritical re PQ, they may conclude it looks the same and is great.


But a better answer to will it degrade PQ, the answer is YES if you mount the projector with lens center above screen top. However, ou ma not become aware of the degradation depending on a variety of factors.

I didn't see distance to screen, screen size etc. - so there are a lot of variables. I wouldn't mount it that high.

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Ok, understood, so its a no no.
Screen is 110inch and distance is 3.3m or 10,28 feet or 130 inches (I am in Europe, w measure everything in m and cm).
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Could you tell me which HDMI (1 or 2) should I use for Bluray?
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Could you tell me which HDMI (1 or 2) should I use for Bluray?


I am using HDMI # 2 myself.

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Hero4 4K issues with VW 600ES

I just returned from a Safari and stay at Giraffe Manor in Kenya. I got some amazing 4K video which I can play direct to the 600ES via HDMI but of course it does not have sound. So I have hooked it up with a powered HDMI splitter and it sends the 4K video to the 600ES but when I run the second HDMI to the AUX input on my Integra AV system, I still get no sound. However, when I run direct from the Hero4 to the AUX input on the Integra, I get what looks like an upscaled image but not 4K and still no sound. Yet if I hook the Hero4 up to a 1080P TV via HDMI I get 1080P with sound using the same HDMI cables that I used on the hookups to the 600ES. Now when I run 3D source through the AUX input on the Integra, I get good 3D and sound with no issues. I must say though that if I run 3D source through the splitter, and then through the Integra, I get good 3D image but the sound keeps cutting out, which acts like a HDMI handshake issue, which you can audibly hear the click as the sound goes in and out. Hence, why I have been running 3D source, my own videos, from the Fuji W3 to the Integra via the AUX input and that works fine. The weird thing is that running the Hero4 through the splitter gives me a great 4K picture but I can't seem figure a way to get sound with it.


Has any body run in to issues with sound output from a 4K source with any AV system matched with either the 600ES or the 1000ES? I have tried just about everything I can think of.
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I can't help but I did visit Giraffe manor for a few hours on my first photo shoot to Kenya and Tanzania. I have spent about two weeks total at Little Governor's Camp in the Mara my favorite shooting location/base in Kenya. All my shooting was in slide
film days although my wife shot DV with a Canon X1. I have spent far more time in Tanzania shooting in Terengeri, Nagorogora, and the Serengeti. Forgive misspellings.

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Okay, so there really is a Santa Claus. I opened gifts tonight and found a J Tech Digital HDMI audio extractor under my tree. So what works is taking the Monoprice HDMI splitter and take the 2nd HDMI output off the Monoprice HDMI splitter and connect it to the J Tech Digital HDMI audio extractor. Then use RCA cables to connect the J Tech audio out to the Integra Aux audio input. Not real elegant but it works. I am getting 4K from the Hero4 and splitting off the sound to the Integra. I had my doubts before the trip, but the 4K produced by the Hero4 are truly amazing, the detail is unbelievable, I recommend that everyone put Africa on their bucket list.


And for Mark, yeah Giraffe Manor has been on our bucket list for years. We stayed there 2 and a 1/2 days and I got unbelievable, 4K, 3D and 1080P HD videos and stills. We also stayed at Emmakoko Lodge and did two vehicle safaris. I got 4K, 3D, and 1080P video and stills, of Lions, Rhinos, Giraffes, Hippos, Crocs, Gazzelles, Zebras, Water Buffalos, Elans, Wart Hogs, Ostriches, Guinea Hens, Baboons, Sykes Monkeys, dozens of bird species, and a bunch of others that I am forgetting at the moment. We got both adult and babies of all of the above. I need to go back and look at all the footage again, looks like tomorrow is going to be a fun day, with sound.


And for everyone else. Google Giraffe Manor and go down the results page to the images, click on the images and they tell you all you need to know. Giraffe Manor is a life experience like no other
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Could someone share their settings, especially for the iris (full, limited, how much brightness etc)? Which ones are best at default (Cinema, Reference...)?

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Has anybody compared VW600ES vs VW1000ES live? Choosing between the new 600 and the used 1000 - is there a visible difference due to better contrast/brightness levels? Plan to use with 92'' screen watching at 4 meters. The problem is that it won't be always fully darken room - plan to use it also as a screen for watching HDTV in daytime - will the difference in brightness play significant role here?
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I did not compare both models "live" but I went through 3 (three!) 500ES units and was very disappointed with their colour uniformity - a potential issue also identified by Cine4Home in their review - and the thermal convergence drift after startup. So I switched to an 1100ES which does not have those problems. The latter has a slightly sharper, brighter and more contrasty image, but the difference is not striking.

For best picture quality, I'd recommend you get the 1000ES, but do ensure it's a unit in excellent condition - I personally don't like buying used equipment - and that the projector has been updated to 1100ES (new signal input board), or else you will not have HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2.

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Hi guys,

I got Vw500 today!!!!!!! I am planning on installing it tonight and I have one question. I already have ceiling mount from my current projector. It is the one with the extension arm (so the projector is some 50cm from the ceiling). The mount is centrally positioned.
Since Sony has electronic lens, would it possible to mount it without this extension arm, since Sony is huge projector and it would be low positioned (so that basically is some 5-10cm from the ceiling)? My screen has 50cm drop, so would this affect the picture in any way, or would it be fine? I hope you understand what I mean.
Thank you for the help
Your HT configuration is not clear. In principle, there may be some additional distortions present with larger amounts of lens shift. However, from my experience, these distortions are minimal.

The centre of my projector's lens is 28 cm below the ceiling and the top of my screen is 48 cm below the ceiling, so the lens is 20 cm higher than the top of the screen. The screen is 133 in diagonal (16:9) and the throw distance is 464 cm (15 ft).

I had the following projectors installed: VW50, VW60, VW500ES, WV1100ES. I had no visible image degradation with any of them, except for a very mild, barely noticeable pincushion effect (bottom edge of the picture slightly hogging) for the VW60 and VW1100ES.

You should try to mount the projector at the higher location and project the image normally as well as with the lens centred (i.e. no shift), and compare the quality of the bottom parts of the image in each case. If you see no difference or the differences are minimal and acceptable, you will be able to leave the projector like that; otherwise, install the extension arm.
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Thanks for your comment. I installed it where the previous one was, and it is fine, I was just thinking about putting it higher, because it is a behemoth of the projector and it looks quite striking suspended 50cm from the ceiling.
Anyway, as I wrote above, my screen is 110inches and the distance between seating position and screen is 3,5m (11,48 feet). The 3,3m is the distance between lens and the screen.

I have tried settings from cine4 and to my eyes they look very good. Coming from Benq1070, I was not expecting such a difference. I am not saying to justify the price that I have paid, but I have to admit that there is just a huge difference in everything. From black to sharpness to uniformity. Also, I have tested 3d, and to my eyes it look much better that Benq (depth is just more in your face as well as overall quality of the picture).

My model was made in December 2014 and I am not experiencing any of the problems that have been mentioned in reviews, such as panels not aligning etc. As you have seen from the reviews of vw300, there are no such problems in that model, so I presume that Sony has managed to better their production and have it without problems.
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Thanks for your comment. I installed it where the previous one was, and it is fine, I was just thinking about putting it higher, because it is a behemoth of the projector and it looks quite striking suspended 50cm from the ceiling.
Anyway, as I wrote above, my screen is 110inches and the distance between seating position and screen is 3,5m (11,48 feet). The 3,3m is the distance between lens and the screen.

I have tried settings from cine4 and to my eyes they look very good. Coming from Benq1070, I was not expecting such a difference. I am not saying to justify the price that I have paid, but I have to admit that there is just a huge difference in everything. From black to sharpness to uniformity. Also, I have tested 3d, and to my eyes it look much better that Benq (depth is just more in your face as well as overall quality of the picture).

My model was made in December 2014 and I am not experiencing any of the problems that have been mentioned in reviews, such as panels not aligning etc. As you have seen from the reviews of vw300, there are no such problems in that model, so I presume that Sony has managed to better their production and have it without problems.

I haven't had any problems with my VW600 either. It is the best projector I've owned so far ( my Lumis runs a very close 2nd ) !! Enjoy !

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This may have already been asked, and I did search for the answer, but had no luck finding it.. What chief mount should be used to install the VW600es? I know that the sony has only 3 holes to mount and was just wondering which chief mount works best.
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anything on settings, pleeeease
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This may have already been asked, and I did search for the answer, but had no luck finding it.. What chief mount should be used to install the VW600es? I know that the sony has only 3 holes to mount and was just wondering which chief mount works best.

http://www.chiefmfg.com/Products/RPMA020

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Try these, and do the firmware update first if you want ( unplug all HDMI cables first - trust me on this ) -




RC Resolution - 20 Noise Filtering - 10 General Sharpening 10 OR -



RC Resolution - 10 Noise Filtering - 7 General Sharpening 10? OR -




RC Resolution - 5 Noise Filtering - 0 General Sharpening 10 ?





You might try each of the above and see which looks best / cleanest.



Aspect - Normal ( 3840 x 2160 ) - sharpest setting.


I use Motion Flow on " True Cinema " , and gamma 2.4.


Auto Iris - Full. go to advanced settings - Black Level Adjustment - Medium or High.


Note that some don't like the iris on full. It looks good on my unit, but I've also used Chromapure to set brightness and do some other tweeks. As always, YMMV. And you can always reset back to factory default settings and start over !

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Okay, so there really is a Santa Claus. I opened gifts tonight and found a J Tech Digital HDMI audio extractor under my tree. So what works is taking the Monoprice HDMI splitter and take the 2nd HDMI output off the Monoprice HDMI splitter and connect it to the J Tech Digital HDMI audio extractor. Then use RCA cables to connect the J Tech audio out to the Integra Aux audio input. Not real elegant but it works. I am getting 4K from the Hero4 and splitting off the sound to the Integra. I had my doubts before the trip, but the 4K produced by the Hero4 are truly amazing, the detail is unbelievable, I recommend that everyone put Africa on their bucket list.
that's an interesting solution, it's good to hear it worked. I use an HTPC to view the 4K content from the Hero on the Sony. The video card passes sound through the DVI port so it's HDMI to the projector @ 4K and the DVI->HDMI to the AVR.

I agree on the 4K content from the Hero 4. I've been taking aerial photography with the Hero 4 + a DJI F450 I built recently. It looks excellent on the Sony in native res. I take this little 4K camera with me everywhere I go now.
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that's an interesting solution, it's good to hear it worked. I use an HTPC to view the 4K content from the Hero on the Sony. The video card passes sound through the DVI port so it's HDMI to the projector @ 4K and the DVI->HDMI to the AVR.

I agree on the 4K content from the Hero 4. I've been taking aerial photography with the Hero 4 + a DJI F450 I built recently. It looks excellent on the Sony in native res. I take this little 4K camera with me everywhere I go now.
Doesn't having an HTPC solve so many of these problems? For the time invested in learning about what to build it really pays off in the end.

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Thanks Craig for the settings. I already have latest firmware installed (1.2, my unit is from December 2014).

I will try it and see how it looks like.
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Almost pulled an all-nighter with my 300ES trying to address what seemed to be disturbing test result. Picture looked amazing but I decided to throw test patterns to check for sharpness and uniformity. Full white screen showed just a tiny color temperature shift, which was an area of complaint I saw here. So it is good here...


Then I threw an full HD alternating black and white horizontal lines pattern. Picture was scary in a way - lots of colour shift and non uniformity, all due to panel misalignment. A touch of blue shift adjustment took care of much of the screen but there were spots where the zone adjustment had to be deployed. All in all, there were about 15 zones I had to touch where I moved the Blue upwards by 2 to 4 notches max. I am not sure if all that is to be expected -after all the shift zone adjustment is provided for a reason and I will assume my PJ is OK (within spec).. or should I?


Here are the pictures:


Top left - before adjustment: full white screen looks good. I had done shift adjustment with the internal PJ patterns.
Top right - the horizontal lines pattern (1080 alternating lines), looked bad
Bottom left - after a touch of shift adjustment and just a few zones tweaked
Bottom right - almost done with adjustment. I could do better but was tired


I will soon repeat while using alternating vertical lines to nail the horizontal alignment as well. If you think your 500/600/300 is well aligned - throw these patterns and see if it is the case. Any similar experiences?


P.S. Just watched the first two episodes of Marco Polo on Netflix - looks stunning on this projector while sitting at 2x the screen height. Can't wait for the 4K on Netflix.
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Thanks, IIRC, zombie10k made similar comments about these. I will have to search for his post after the holiday's.

I will order the Sony glasses with my VW600 code when they are back in stock.

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I really did a great comparison last night between the three choices of 3D glasses and without a doubt, the Xpand are the better of the lot. They are better in every way except being a little heavier and to be honest that is not really significant. Actually, that is not exactly correct they are actually significantly better in one way.......the price , I think they were almost triple the others .
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Almost pulled an all-nighter with my 300ES trying to address what seemed to be disturbing test result. Picture looked amazing but I decided to throw test patterns to check for sharpness and uniformity. Full white screen showed just a tiny color temperature shift, which was an area of complaint I saw here. So it is good here...


Then I threw an full HD alternating black and white horizontal lines pattern. Picture was scary in a way - lots of colour shift and non uniformity, all due to panel misalignment. A touch of blue shift adjustment took care of much of the screen but there were spots where the zone adjustment had to be deployed. All in all, there were about 15 zones I had to touch where I moved the Blue upwards by 2 to 4 notches max. I am not sure if all that is to be expected -after all the shift zone adjustment is provided for a reason and I will assume my PJ is OK (within spec).. or should I?


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Top left - before adjustment: full white screen looks good. I had done shift adjustment with the internal PJ patterns.
Top right - the horizontal lines pattern (1080 alternating lines), looked bad
Bottom left - after a touch of shift adjustment and just a few zones tweaked
Bottom right - almost done with adjustment. I could do better but was tired


I will soon repeat while using alternating vertical lines to nail the horizontal alignment as well. If you think your 500/600/300 is well aligned - throw these patterns and see if it is the case. Any similar experiences?


P.S. Just watched the first two episodes of Marco Polo on Netflix - looks stunning on this projector while sitting at 2x the screen height. Can't wait for the 4K on Netflix.
George your projector is very much within spec. That test pattern is very tough. I have never seen one that is perfect on a 3 chip projector.
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Thanks, good to hear. The last picture in my post above was taken with 24Mp camera so I cropped/magnified a small section to show how the screen looked after the adjustment. There is a bit of moiré due to camera pixel interference.
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Hi Guys,

Any Canadians here who are enjoying 4K content? I've got the 300es, and I was sure I would be able to watch some 4K content from Netflix from my PC but that's not gonna happen. Looks like you NEED an HEVC decoder and as the projector obviously doesn't have built in HEVC decoder I'm wondering what fellow Canadians are using to watch 4K content. The Sony media streaming box looks like it's not compatible in Canada.
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There seem to be Ultra HD content (4k) available on the US Netflix - 24 titles in total. I am pretty sure my boxes (PS3 and a Blu ray player) do not support more than 1080p (???).





In any case, I found Marco Polo (one of the Ultra HD) titles simply amazing on my 300ES, great details, shadow detail, colours and motion. I have RC on and motion flow set to Low. I just cannot believe it looked better than most blue rays in my collections.
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