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I watched Oblivion again about a month ago and yes it looks great.
Also got my Xpand Lite RF 3D glasses last week and the 3D looks great with hardly any loss of light.

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Question - from my Samsung F8500 purchase, I have about 8 pairs of compatible Samsung 3D glasses. They are the current 5150s and some older 4100s - they all work with my current 55ES using the Xpand adapter.

Will these glasses work with the 600ES?
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if they work with the 55 using the Xpand adapter, they will work with the 600 as well.
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You would think so. But when I turned off the D.I. in my VW600, the difference was hard to tell. The " Contrast enhance " feature made a huge difference IMO picture wise. And that is still on the VW350.
I used the contrast pattern from the Spears & Munsil BD to verify the contrast setting on my VW1100ES. With the Dynamic Iris off, the whites were slight clipped, so I had to lower the contrast setting to 88. With the Dynamic Iris on Full Auto, whites were not clipped even with the contrast set at Max.

Now, turning the Dynamic Iris on and off while watching regular content does not have any obvious effect, so it seems that, with the Dynamic Iris on Full Auto, the VW1100ES adjusts the Gamma slightly only at the high end to avoid clipping.

Perhaps this is why measurements show a higher light output on the Sony PJs with the Dynamic Iris set to off.
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With all the discussion here on the virtues of the VW350es VS the more expensive VW600es, I should say that I paid 7499 for the new VW500es with Troy including shipping from Nebraska to New England. The introductory price on the VW350es was still MORE at 7999 at Crutchfield.
I paid a similar price for a VW500ES that I bought from a local dealer, including delivery to my home. After exchanging three units with horrendous blue thermal convergence shift and colour non-uniformity (shading) problems - all explained somewhere in this thread - I returned this model and went instead for the VW1100ES which is in a completely different class. I paid more for the latter and got an excellent deal, too, but not as good as that for the VW500ES.
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Where are you guys finding the physical unit (500/600) build dates?
It's very simple. This post of mine and the subsequent post: Sony VPL-vw1000 show the two locations of the manufacturing date for my VW1100ES.

All the Sony PJs that I had had the manufacturing date clearly indicated on them (VW50, VW60, 3x VW500ES, VW1100ES).
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Just connected a dune to my 600es through denon reciever the dune logo appears than says frequency out of range. Anyone have any suggestions as to what could be wrong?
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Just connected a dune to my 600es through denon reciever the dune logo appears than says frequency out of range. Anyone have any suggestions as to what could be wrong?
Never mind. Its working Call me Mr. impatient
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It's very simple. This post of mine and the subsequent post: Sony VPL-vw1000 show the two locations of the manufacturing date for my VW1100ES.

All the Sony PJs that I had had the manufacturing date clearly indicated on them (VW50, VW60, 3x VW500ES, VW1100ES).
I have a 600 and there is no build date on mine.
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I watched Oblivion again about a month ago and yes it looks great.
Also got my Xpand Lite RF 3D glasses last week and the 3D looks great with hardly any loss of light.

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Are 3D glasses NOT created equal? I have a few pairs of the Sony glasses and Samsungs and they all seem similar to me.
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Seriously considering the 600ES upgrade from a 55ES.

Question -- has Sony announced what support and future upgrades they plan to bring to the 600ES? They seem to have provided pretty upgrade upgrade support to the 600ES through firmware -- with functional upgrades like the lag reduction setting. I understand that 1.2 firmware may be out offering further functional upgrades.

We have also seen Sony make available hardware upgrades to the 1000ES customers.

So ... if i make the big investment, is Sony going to provide some upgrade path for things like 12-bit color or further implementations of HDMI (beyond 2.0)? Just wondering if any such announcements have been made.

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Seriously considering the 600ES upgrade from a 55ES.

Question -- has Sony announced what support and future upgrades they plan to bring to the 600ES? They seem to have provided pretty upgrade upgrade support to the 600ES through firmware -- with functional upgrades like the lag reduction setting. I understand that 1.2 firmware may be out offering further functional upgrades.

We have also seen Sony make available hardware upgrades to the 1000ES customers.

So ... if i make the big investment, is Sony going to provide some upgrade path for things like 12-bit color or further implementations of HDMI (beyond 2.0)? Just wondering if any such announcements have been made.

Thanks!
I would not expect an upgrade for full HDMI 2.0. Even if it was upgraded to full HDMI 2.0, it will be years before we have source material that meets full HDMI 2.0 spec. Those that think they will buy a full HDMI 2.0 projector and be playing REC2020 4K BD's next year are going to be disappointed.

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I bet Rec. 2020 is years away. As I understand it, all of the studio masters are P3 anyway and I haven't heard anywhere about this changing any time soon.

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I would not expect an upgrade for full HDMI 2.0. Even if it was upgraded to full HDMI 2.0, it will be years before we have source material that meets full HDMI 2.0 spec. Those that think they will buy a full HDMI 2.0 projector and be playing REC2020 4K BD's next year are going to be disappointed.
But I (and maybe a "lot" of others) are hoping we'll be able to buy a "full" HDMI 2.0 projector that can do P3 and play P3 coded 4K BDs next year. It will probably take a good bit of willpower, but I intend not to purchase a 4K projector that doesn't support at least P3.

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Are 3D glasses NOT created equal? I have a few pairs of the Sony glasses and Samsungs and they all seem similar to me.
Who knows. These are my first and only ones I will ever buy for my 500ES.

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But I (and maybe a "lot" of others) are hoping we'll be able to buy a "full" HDMI 2.0 projector that can do P3 and play P3 coded 4K BDs next year. It will probably take a good bit of willpower, but I intend not to purchase a 4K projector that doesn't support at least P3.
I guess the only thing you can do is decide on the plan and stick to it, no matter what. When these 4k p3 machines are available (aside from the pricier Sony 1100), say optimistically mid next year, the 2020 may still be a few years away, but it will be closer than it looks now
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I guess the only thing you can do is decide on the plan and stick to it, no matter what. When these 4k p3 machines are available (aside from the pricier Sony 1100), say optimistically mid next year, the 2020 may still be a few years away, but it will be closer than it looks now
That means, you switch the game plan to wait and wait and wait. There will always be something on the horizon. Mean while, I will enjoy my projector for at least 3/4 years, (once 4K BD's give me a good improvement over what my 600 is capable of) and then replace.
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I have a 600 and there is no build date on mine.
I am not sure what to say. It appears to me that the units sold through Sony USA do not have the manufacturing date sticker on them. I bought all my Sony projectors in Canada, distributed by Sony Canada, and all had the date on them, no exception.

It would be interesting to find out if the projectors sold outside of North America have the dates on them or not. Anyone?...

I can also tell that all TVs I had in recent years - two Sony CRTs (27" and 40") and two Panasonic plasmas (both 65") - bought in Canada, all had the manufacturing date on the back.
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Are 3D glasses NOT created equal? I have a few pairs of the Sony glasses and Samsungs and they all seem similar to me.



No, there can be very much difference between glasses and their performence - and even the same glasses can performe better with some projectors then others


Sorry to have to say it , but you need to really check / look before you Invest in glasses ( BTW. in my opion, its very importent too get some ,who is comfortable to Wear too )


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I am not sure what to say. It appears to me that the units sold through Sony USA do not have the manufacturing date sticker on them. I bought all my Sony projectors in Canada, distributed by Sony Canada, and all had the date on them, no exception.

It would be interesting to find out if the projectors sold outside of North America have the dates on them or not. Anyone?...

I can also tell that all TVs I had in recent years - two Sony CRTs (27" and 40") and two Panasonic plasmas (both 65") - bought in Canada, all had the manufacturing date on the back.
I am guessing that Canadian law requires a build date.

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It may be the case for Canada, my 300ES has Nov 2014 build date besides the serial number. The made in Japan label is particularly satisfying.
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I guess the only thing you can do is decide on the plan and stick to it, no matter what. When these 4k p3 machines are available (aside from the pricier Sony 1100), say optimistically mid next year, the 2020 may still be a few years away, but it will be closer than it looks now
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That means, you switch the game plan to wait and wait and wait. There will always be something on the horizon.
There's an important distinction with P3, there is tons of P3 content available, everything that's seen a digital cinema release. 2020 I agree is probably a lot farther out.

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Mean while, I will enjoy my projector for at least 3/4 years, (once 4K BD's give me a good improvement over what my 600 is capable of) and then replace.
I know we kind of go back and forth on this, but if I managed to scrape together the funds to get a 600ES today, I'd be stuck with it for quite a while recouping that "investment", say 5+ years. I'm guessing there will be a decent amount of P3 Ultra HD Blu-ray before then. I'd rather wait, and save for a year or maybe two for things to shake out.

Of course I will be enjoying (greatly) my Planar 8150 in the mean time. I personally just can't fathom spending $15k (MSRP) on a projector that doesn't support what is (hopefully) the baseline of a new format coming out the same year, well not unless $15k is "disposable".

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There's an important distinction with P3, there is tons of P3 content available, everything that's seen a digital cinema release. 2020 I agree is probably a lot farther out.



I know we kind of go back and forth on this, but if I managed to scrape together the funds to get a 600ES today, I'd be stuck with it for quite a while recouping that "investment", say 5+ years. I'm guessing there will be a decent amount of P3 Ultra HD Blu-ray before then. I'd rather wait, and save for a year or maybe two for things to shake out.

Of course I will be enjoying (greatly) my Planar 8150 in the mean time. I personally just can't fathom spending $15k (MSRP) on a projector that doesn't support what is (hopefully) the baseline of a new format coming out the same year, well not unless $15k is "disposable".
The P3 color space is not much bigger than what I have now, so don't think I am going to feel like I am missing out. When 2020 finally gets here, that is when I feel that I am missing out.

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Here are the numbers on spectrum coverage:


709 - 33%
P3 - 41%
2020- 57%


Seeing the triangles superimposed tells the story even better.


Now the pragmatic approach, not that there is no difference, but how many times you watched a bluray at home after you have seen the movie in the theaters and you felt colours in your HT were lacking or less accurate?
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Of course I will be enjoying (greatly) my Planar 8150 in the mean time. I personally just can't fathom spending $15k (MSRP) on a projector that doesn't support what is (hopefully) the baseline of a new format coming out the same year, well not unless $15k is "disposable".
Why quote as you say MSRP when everyone knows the old saying, 'only suckers pay full retail'? I'm at the extreme end but I paid more like $8K for my VW500. Compared to my VW1100, I won't lose that much sleep about how far down the road the VW500 will last me before the content capabilities of 4K surpasses its spec limitations. However, like a lot of owners of the Sony 4K models, I'm enjoying superior image performance right now even with 1080p content. A lot us bought ourselves a ticket on to the early adopter 4K boat and have to take the good as well as accept the risks associated with early adoption.
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Why quote as you say MSRP when everyone knows the old saying, 'only suckers pay full retail'? I'm at the extreme end but I paid more like $8K for my VW500. Compared to my VW1100, I won't lose that much sleep about how far down the road the VW500 will last me before the content capabilities of 4K surpasses its spec limitations. However, like a lot of owners of the Sony 4K models, I'm enjoying superior image performance right now even with 1080p content. A lot us bought ourselves a ticket on to the early adopter 4K boat and have to take the good as well as accept the risks associated with early adoption.
Because the rules of the forum have always been, quote MSRP, not street price.

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That means, you switch the game plan to wait and wait and wait. There will always be something on the horizon. Mean while, I will enjoy my projector for at least 3/4 years, (once 4K BD's give me a good improvement over what my 600 is capable of) and then replace.
Exactly my thoughts.

I have seen the 500ES and other projectors. It's a no brainer. The current improvements on 'current 1080p' blu rays are already worth it.

And even if you can buy a newer 4K projector with expanded color space, there are far more important things like HDR (that perhaps only laser light sources can deliver)... which may take a few more years down the road.

My plan, buy the 500ES now, enjoy it for a few years, until 4K lasers are easily available for the home market with HDR, rec2020, and all the goodies that comes with it.
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Here are the numbers on spectrum coverage:


709 - 33%
P3 - 41%
2020- 57%


Seeing the triangles superimposed tells the story even better.
It does:


To me it looks like green and red are "significantly" more saturated, thus affecting just about everything but blue quite a bit.

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Now the pragmatic approach, not that there is no difference, but how many times you watched a bluray at home after you have seen the movie in the theaters and you felt colours in your HT were lacking or less accurate?
A few times.

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Because the rules of the forum have always been, quote MSRP, not street price.
And because we don't have the reasonably priced VW500 available in the US, we have to pay almost double for a VW600.

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My plan, buy the 500ES now, enjoy it for a few years, until 4K lasers are easily available for the home market with HDR, rec2020, and all the goodies that comes with it.

My plan too, and in the meantime I am not going to be frustrated if all that takes time
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