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My plan too, and in the meantime I am not going to be frustrated if all that takes time
Who knows, maybe in 5-8 years, other technologies might make 'projectors' a thing of the pass...

I can imagine 150 inch quantum dot, 4K tvs (with HDR, Rec 2020 or beyond, and maybe even 8K e-shift) being below 10K in price... this is of course purely speculative. And if LG solves their OLED issues and are able to create really large OLED at high efficiency rates, then perhaps we can even see super large (wall sized) OLEDs you can paste on your wall like wall papers.

On another note, I would like to see TV manufacturers making the Ultimate Screens, say (all the above specs), and separate out the 'guts' or the 'computer, brain power' out into a set top box. That way, new tech can come about, and we can upgrade the 'brain' without having to spend a lot of money on new screens. Basically dumb screens. The reason is because computer chips are evolving so quickly and formats as well, games, etc... everytime we change a projector/tv, we end up spending the money for both the screen and the guts...
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It does:


To me it looks like green and red are "significantly" more saturated, thus affecting just about everything but blue quite a bit.



A few times.



And because we don't have the reasonably priced VW500 available in the US, we have to pay almost double for a VW600.
I have nothing to do with that. I would love for the VW600 to sell at a lower price. I would sell two or three times as many. The price in the US will always be higher though. There are more expenses. You have the packaging and shipping to the US, you have the import taxes, you have a three year warranty rather than a one year warranty and you have better support for the end user here. Not saying that makes up all of the price difference. Just saying the price here will never be near the price in Japan.

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I have nothing to do with that. I would love for the VW600 to sell at a lower price. I would sell two or three times as many. The price in the US will always be higher though. There are more expenses. You have the packaging and shipping to the US, you have the import taxes, you have a three year warranty rather than a one year warranty and you have better support for the end user here. Not saying that makes up all of the price difference. Just saying the price here will never be near the price in Japan.
Oh, I wasn't blaming you, I just quoted you to expand on the reasoning, I know you guys do the best you can. That's why I got my last two projectors from you and will probably get my next one from you, whenever that is. I may well have bought a VW600 when they came out had Sony US not decided to sell them for 50-100% more than in Europe or Canada.
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So what is the input lag on the 600(not german intl one) on firmware 1.1?
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So what is the input lag on the 600(not german intl one) on firmware 1.1?
It is low. I am not a gamer, so I don't remember the exact number, but was thinking it was in the low 30's.

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It is low. I am not a gamer, so I don't remember the exact number, but was thinking it was in the low 30's.
Wow, really? Might have to update it and hook my PS4 up again. When I tried it before I was unimpressed.

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Wow, really? Might have to update it and hook my PS4 up again. When I tried it before I was unimpressed.
There is a new menu item which you have to change in order to disable some extra processing and get the low latency time.
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There is a new menu item which you have to change in order to disable some extra processing and get the low latency time.
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Just saying the price here will never be near the price in Japan.
I remember in the 80's the TVs in Japan were significantly higher than the same models in the US. The US TV companies (RCA, GE) accused Sony and others of dumping. How times have changed.
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Not my point Mike. We all know no one needs to be giving specific street prices. However in trhge
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Because the rules of the forum have always been, quote MSRP, not street price.
Not my point Mike. We all know no one needs to be giving specific street prices here on the forums as general rule. However, in the context of the specific conversation, with MSRP being so vastly different from street price in this case, it was an important point to point out that the vast majority of us did not have to pay full MSRP on our VW500/600's. Which was obviously a strong factor in most people's purchasing decision.

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Not my point Mike. We all know no one needs to be giving specific street prices. However in trhge

Not my point Mike. We all know no one needs to be giving specific street prices here on the forums as general rule. However, in the context of the specific conversation, with MSRP being so vastly different from street price in this case, it was an important point to point out that the vast majority of us did not have to pay full MSRP on our VW500/600's. Which was obviously a strong factor in most people's purchasing decision.
As far as I understand it, in the US, due to Sony SURE pricing, MSRP is not significantly different from street price on the VW600.

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As far as I understand it, in the US, due to Sony SURE pricing, MSRP is not significantly different from street price on the VW600.

That's certainly not the case online presently, a quick check of Google shopping or Amazon will show you there's new units out there from bricks and mortar as well as online retailers for under $10k. I mean sure, my long time experience keeping an eye on Sony projector pricing over last 10 years has shown me that initially it's very difficult to find pricing much below recommended retail, but with in 2-3 months of launch the pricing starts to drop away quite significantly. It was no different for the VW600 in that regard.

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That's certainly not the case online presently, a quick check of Google shopping or Amazon will show you there's new units out there from bricks and mortar as well as online retailers for under $10k. I mean sure, my long time experience keeping an eye on Sony projector pricing over last 10 years has shown me that initially it's very difficult to find pricing much below recommended retail, but with in 2-3 months of launch the pricing starts to drop away quite significantly. It was no different for the VW600 in that regard.
He is talking about authorized dealers. Amazon and Sony are the only on-line authorized Sony dealers. What you are looking at are third party non-authorized dealers on Amazon. I assume you would like a warranty with your new projector.

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Yeah, with a multi-thousand dollar purchase, I don't want to be left holding the bag if something goes wrong after the return policy. And I don't even see the VW600 on Amazon proper, just through 3rd parties. The authorized dealers (I assume) stand out pretty clearly, since they all list it for $14,999.99.

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They were selling the 1000ES as an authorized dealer a few years back, but I don't think they sold too many as the price on their site was MSRP.

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He is talking about authorized dealers. Amazon and Sony are the only on-line authorized Sony dealers. What you are looking at are third party non-authorized dealers on Amazon. I assume you would like a warranty with your new projector.
So Abe's of Maine isn't an authorised dealer? I think I'd be pretty comfortable buying from a business of their ilk.

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Yeah, with a multi-thousand dollar purchase, I don't want to be left holding the bag if something goes wrong after the return policy. And I don't even see the VW600 on Amazon proper, just through 3rd parties. The authorized dealers (I assume) stand out pretty clearly, since they all list it for $14,999.99.
And yes of course, how did I know that because I didn't spoon-feed the fact I was referring to Amazon third party vendors, that my comment would be taken as strictly Amazon. You get that result in a general Amazon search anyway so I thought it could be taken as that.

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I paid a similar price for a VW500ES that I bought from a local dealer, including delivery to my home. After exchanging three units with horrendous blue thermal convergence shift and colour non-uniformity (shading) problems - all explained somewhere in this thread - I returned this model and went instead for the VW1100ES which is in a completely different class. I paid more for the latter and got an excellent deal, too, but not as good as that for the VW500ES.
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Firmware

BTW my new unit did arrive with the 1.20A firmware already installed. The last 500ES I got had firmware 3 releases old. I think that unit may have sat for a while. The one I have now works great.
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So Abe's of Maine isn't an authorised dealer? I think I'd be pretty comfortable buying from a business of their ilk.



And yes of course, how did I know that because I didn't spoon-feed the fact I was referring to Amazon third party vendors, that my comment would be taken as strictly Amazon. You get that result in a general Amazon search anyway so I thought it could be taken as that.
No, Abe's of Maine is not an authorized Sony dealer. Shoot me an email and I will send you a letter from Sony, where Sony specifically states that Abe's of Maine is not an authorized Sony dealer. You can also look at this link and see all authorized Sony dealers: http://store.sony.com/-cms-page.sony...SDOKm-IMgeNguZ
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So Abe's of Maine isn't an authorised dealer? I think I'd be pretty comfortable buying from a business of their ilk.
I learned a long time ago, when I used to buy camera and video gear, that some of these lowball outfits were either selling gray market gear, weren't authorized dealers, and would try to hard sell you accessories up the wazoo. Then slam you with an outrageous shipping charge if you didn't buy the extra crap. Wasn't worth the hassle to save a couple dollars.

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Mike, you are definitely a gamer but not within the meaning of these posts.




Second many sites on Amazon are just advertising fronts for amazon. for example, most of those superstores say fulfilled by Amazon. Amazon answers the phone for them and provides all customer service. They get paid a small commission from Amazon for any sales from those sites. amazon invites people to set up such sires (costs less than $200 for the site development listing a zillion items), then they hire some service for $20 to generate 5000 hits so google will place them on the early pages of a zillion listings. I have a friend who paid for all this and has generated one $200 sale in the first month.

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Mike, you are definitely a gamer but not within the meaning of these posts.




Second many sites on Amazon are just advertising fronts for amazon. for example, most of those superstores say fulfilled by Amazon. Amazon answers the phone for them and provides all customer service. They get paid a small commission from Amazon for any sales from those sites. amazon invites people to set up such sires (costs less than $200 for the site development listing a zillion items), then they hire some service for $20 to generate 5000 hits so google will place them on the early pages of a zillion listings. I have a friend who paid for all this and has generated one $200 sale in the first month.
I am sure they make it sound like it is easy and you will get rich. I think the only one getting rich is Amazon.

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No, Abe's of Maine is not an authorized Sony dealer. Shoot me an email and I will send you a letter from Sony, where Sony specifically states that Abe's of Maine is not an authorized Sony dealer. You can also look at this link and see all authorized Sony dealers: http://store.sony.com/-cms-page.sony...SDOKm-IMgeNguZ
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I learned a long time ago, when I used to buy camera and video gear, that some of these lowball outfits were either selling gray market gear, weren't authorized dealers, and would try to hard sell you accessories up the wazoo. Then slam you with an outrageous shipping charge if you didn't buy the extra crap. Wasn't worth the hassle to save a couple dollars.
Interesting stuff guys. I supposed they would still suck in a few buyers who wouldn't pay mind to the non-authorised situation. Are Sony really that ruthless re honoring warranty on units not coming via 'authorised' outlets? I would have thought the Consumer Affairs and as much as they are pretty toothless, the BBB would have a field day with that. I know here when I bought a PS4 online from an Ebay seller in CA that had the dreaded boot fail scenario, I gave it to my Sony contacts locally and they sent me a new one within 2 weeks. That's an extreme example and relationship driven I know of course. Craig the camera game is so competitive nowadays, I barely flinch buying gear online, usually still from local suppliers, but occasionally from HK - for say point and shoots like RX100's. Of course projectors though... a whole different kettle of fish!


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Interesting stuff guys. I supposed they would still suck in a few buyers who wouldn't pay mind to the non-authorised situation. Are Sony really that ruthless re honoring warranty on units not coming via 'authorised' outlets? I would have thought the Consumer Affairs and as much as they are pretty toothless, the BBB would have a field day with that. I know here when I bought a PS4 online from an Ebay seller in CA that had the dreaded boot fail scenario, I gave it to my Sony contacts locally and they sent me a new one within 2 weeks. That's an extreme example and relationship driven I know of course. Craig the camera game is so competitive nowadays, I barely flinch buying gear online, usually still from local suppliers, but occasionally from HK - for say point and shoots like RX100's. Of course projectors though... a whole different kettle of fish!
Always read the written warranty. It is the controlling document. Denon for example states clearly that warranty repair requires proof of purchase from an authorized retailer - and states that the warranty is not transferable to second hand purchasers. Sony's does not seem to have similar language on either front. That's my take ...

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