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Quick question, I used the '3D' button on my remote and did a convert 2d>3d, and then i can't figure out how to get out of the 3d mode... anyone have any ideas?
Press 3D button on remote and choose the 2D option.
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Press 3D button on remote and choose the 2D option.
THanks.. i finally figured it out...
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So it appears as though if you have a 16x9 screen, you are always going to get spillover on the right and left sides. Very dumb that there isn't a 16x9 aspect ratio built into this projector.
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So it appears as though if you have a 16x9 screen, you are always going to get spillover on the right and left sides. Very dumb that there isn't a 16x9 aspect ratio built into this projector.
The very tiny black bars, with the good black levels on this projector, are no more distracting than the tiny black bars one still gets watching 2.XX:1 content on a 2.35:1 screen ( since actual content varies from 2.35:1 all the way to 2.55:1 ). They don't bother me in the least !

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So it appears as though if you have a 16x9 screen, you are always going to get spillover on the right and left sides. Very dumb that there isn't a 16x9 aspect ratio built into this projector.
I don't get this... i have a 16:9 screen and there's no spillover...

Click on the 'zoom' button, and you'll see many rectangular lines... you can line up the lines per your screen and the image will fill it properly. for instance, 16:9 movies will like up with the 16:9 line...
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Anyone knows if the Sony 500/600ES can support Sony's 'Mastered in 4K' blu rays? And if so, will it show all the enhancements in these blu rays.. basically i want to know if it's worth buying these Blu Rays...

And lastly, if the projector does support the 'Mastered in 4K discs', do i need a special sony Blu Ray player?
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I did do that so that the 16x9 image fits properly on the screen but there is the extra light with no displayed image to the right and left of it due to the wider aspect ratio (on normal or 1.85) I just wish the light was only cast on the screen. Does that make sense?
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I did do that so that the 16x9 image fits properly on the screen but there is the extra light with no displayed image to the right and left of it due to the wider aspect ratio (on normal or 1.85) I just wish the light was only cast on the screen. Does that make sense?
Strange... how much extra light are there? In my projector, when projecting 16:9 format videos, there weren't any 'extra light'.... it was just the 16:9 image...
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I get a little spillover. I am looking to extend my masking on the screen to cover it.
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Anyone knows if the Sony 500/600ES can support Sony's 'Mastered in 4K' blu rays? And if so, will it show all the enhancements in these blu rays.. basically i want to know if it's worth buying these Blu Rays...

And lastly, if the projector does support the 'Mastered in 4K discs', do i need a special sony Blu Ray player?
Yes it can. As long as your blu-ray player passes the extra color information to the projector. That being said, it's not a spectacular difference.
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Preliminary viewing of the Sony 500ES 4K projector on the Centerstage XD screen.

My initial reaction? Absolutely stunning pictures.

On HD projectors the XD material's weave is visible up to 10 feet or so, but it seems that when you use the 4K projector you can go much closer without seeing the weave.. I do not yet know how to explain this. I mean, a weave is a weave right? But my gut feeling is that the 'weave' we see may be a combination of 'pixel size + weave' rather than just 'weave'.

With the 4K projector, the image is silky smooth, baby bottom smooth... (enter your own analogy here).

When watching 3D, i can even walk up to my 10 feet wide screen and look right through it, like looking out a window. 3D has never been better (not even on the IMAX), as this projector on a 10 feet wide 0.9 gain screen is brighter than the image on the IMAX and with much better contrast and black levels. Space looks like absolute black... stars looks like stars...

Anyways, judge for yourself.. the image is taken about 9 feet away.. zoom in and see if you can see any weave. BTW: this pic was taken by my Samsung phone... the actual image is way smoother and much better colors...

BTW: This is an upscaled 1080p music video from a DTS demo track. Imagine what a 'real' 4K source would be like.

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I get a little spillover. I am looking to extend my masking on the screen to cover it.

See the pic i just posted.. i don't see any spillover at all..
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Yes it can. As long as your blu-ray player passes the extra color information to the projector. That being said, it's not a spectacular difference.
Do you know which of the sony blu-ray players is compatible with this? I have a lower end sony BP, but not sure how to tell if it's compatible with these discs...
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Do you know which of the sony blu-ray players is compatible with this? I have a lower end sony BP, but not sure how to tell if it's compatible with these discs...
Any brand recent bluray player should play it as long as it supports x.v.Color format. That is where Sony is getting the (slightly) wider color range.

You may have to turn it on in the menu of both your bluray and your projector.
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Any brand recent bluray player should play it as long as it supports x.v.Color format. That is where Sony is getting the (slightly) wider color range.

You may have to turn it on in the menu of both your bluray and your projector.
That's just the x.v color part.. what about the 4K part? I heard how sony does it is embed extra algorithm and extra pixel information on space that is not used so that when those information is passed to the blu ray player, it actually re-construct an actual 4K image... not 100% of the pixels of a real 4K, but 'more information' than a HD... I watched the video explaining the 'mastered in 4K' tech by sony...
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See the pic i just posted.. i don't see any spillover at all..
This projector throws a mighty pic! It's hand's down the best projector I've ever owned. Watching blu-rays can be sublime, even though they are upconverted from 1080p.

As for spillover, maybe your masking has covered it, or maybe you put the entire frame into your screen when zooming it. I zoomed using the "inner" 16x9 bars on the internally generated graph. I wouldn't notice spillover at all except my front wall is grey instead of black so I get a very small amount of visible black bars.
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This projector throws a mighty pic! It's hand's down the best projector I've ever owned. Watching blu-rays can be sublime, even though they are upconverted from 1080p.

As for spillover, maybe your masking has covered it, or maybe you put the entire frame into your screen when zooming it. I zoomed using the "inner" 16x9 bars on the internally generated graph. I wouldn't notice spillover at all except my front wall is grey instead of black so I get a very small amount of visible black bars.
Right, it's possible the spillover you're talking about is on my black velvet and can't be seen... i'll zoom out a bit and see if i see any spillover later...
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That's just the x.v color part.. what about the 4K part? I heard how sony does it is embed extra algorithm and extra pixel information on space that is not used so that when those information is passed to the blu ray player, it actually re-construct an actual 4K image... not 100% of the pixels of a real 4K, but 'more information' than a HD... I watched the video explaining the 'mastered in 4K' tech by sony...
My understanding is that "Mastered in 4k" is the bluray equivalent of "Superbit DVD." The master will play within existing bluray players, but has been "optimized" for Sony's upscale algorythms in Reality Creation. You can find the Mastered in 4k Menu on your projector and see if that adds anything to what you see without it.

While I don't have many Mastered in 4k blurays, I do have the Sony FMPx10 and actual 4k movies. The difference is not as profound as one might expect. I think most people would be hardpressed to choose between "The Amazing Spiderman 2" in UHD from the Sony player, "The Amazing Spiderman 2"- Mastered in 4k, or even just the regular bluray release of "The Amazing Spiderman 2".

For the record I don't think the reason for this is bad 4k transfers as much as how awesome the upscaled 1080p from a high bit rate bluray is.
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I'd look closer...it's projecting 'black' but it's there.
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My understanding is that "Mastered in 4k" is the bluray equivalent of "Superbit DVD." The master will play within existing bluray players, but has been "optimized" for Sony's upscale algorythms in Reality Creation. You can find the Mastered in 4k Menu on your projector and see if that adds anything to what you see without it.

While I don't have many Mastered in 4k blurays, I do have the Sony FMPx10 and actual 4k movies. The difference is not as profound as one might expect. I think most people would be hardpressed to choose between "The Amazing Spiderman 2" in UHD from the Sony player, "The Amazing Spiderman 2"- Mastered in 4k, or even just the regular bluray release of "The Amazing Spiderman 2".

For the record I don't think the reason for this is bad 4k transfers as much as how awesome the upscaled 1080p from a high bit rate bluray is.
Now that I have a 4K projector, I really want to play 4K materials..

I downloaded some '4K demo materials' that they used for 4K tv displays in shops and played them on my Dune HD over to the sony projector and the images were night and day difference between my upscaled blu ray vs the 'real 4k demo materials'.. so, i have a feeling that if you're playing 4K movies, those movies aren't mastered right... i take it you're playing the 4K movies that sony have in their 'downloadable site'... maybe they aren't full Blu Ray specs, and more like downloaded 4K content.. or closer to streaming with lower bit rates...

Wait for the real 4K blu rays to hit the market end of this year and next and then we'll know how much of a difference real 4k makes vs upscaled hd content...
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See the pic i just posted.. i don't see any spillover at all..

The 500/600 is no different from the 1000/1100ES. The native chip image is 17/9 and if that aspect is utilized by setting the aspect setting in the menu to 1.85 or 2.35, the only choices available for using the chips in their native resolution (4096 x 2160) the entire horizontal resolution of 4096 will light up on the chips. When you set up the zoom for your screen there are edge markers for 2.35, 1.85, 1.78, and 1.33. The zoom pattern uses the full 4096 x 2160 of the chips. I leave my projector on normal aspect which will light with content 3840 x 2160 leaving 256 horizontal pixels in each row unlit. I set the zoom with the full chip zoom pattern using the 1.78 edge markers. When a 1.78 source frame is displayed the entire width of my 1.78 screen will be lit with active image. With say a letter boxed 2.35 image on a 1.78 souce frame, I could resume once the aspect is set to 2.35 so that the zoom pattern completely fills the screen. This will reduce the size of the bklack bars on top and bottom to 10% of the H each instead of 12.5% each. The problem with doing this for 1920 x 1080 source frames is the scale is not double in both directions but is 2.07 times in each direction. I find doing a scale at 2 results in an image that is sharper to my eyes. Hope this helps. if you have questions please don't hesitate to call me.

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Preliminary viewing of the Sony 500ES 4K projector on the Centerstage XD screen.

My initial reaction? Absolutely stunning pictures.

On HD projectors the XD material's weave is visible up to 10 feet or so, but it seems that when you use the 4K projector you can go much closer without seeing the weave.. I do not yet know how to explain this. I mean, a weave is a weave right? But my gut feeling is that the 'weave' we see may be a combination of 'pixel size + weave' rather than just 'weave'.

With the 4K projector, the image is silky smooth, baby bottom smooth... (enter your own analogy here).

When watching 3D, i can even walk up to my 10 feet wide screen and look right through it, like looking out a window. 3D has never been better (not even on the IMAX), as this projector on a 10 feet wide 0.9 gain screen is brighter than the image on the IMAX and with much better contrast and black levels. Space looks like absolute black... stars looks like stars...

Anyways, judge for yourself.. the image is taken about 9 feet away.. zoom in and see if you can see any weave. BTW: this pic was taken by my Samsung phone... the actual image is way smoother and much better colors...

BTW: This is an upscaled 1080p music video from a DTS demo track. Imagine what a 'real' 4K source would be like.

Thanks for sharing your experience with this projector and XD. I am planning the same but was hoping for 140" wide screen. Do you think that's unreasonable size screen with XD in a totally light controlled room? My calculations say I should get around 18-20 fL but real world experience is useful. Looks great!
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I was never fond of the XD material. It seemed I just couldn't get far enough away and not see the weave from the material. Even past 10 feet. For me I measured I needed to be close to 20' away from the screen material to not see the weave. For those interested I highly suggest getting a sample piece first to see if the weave will bother you. The new Falcon AT screen uses a much finer weave and the ultimate in AT is the Enlightor 4K material.

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I looked hard at the XD and the UF material and went with the UF. It's amazing and perfect if you need to be closer than 12' then get the UF. It's 4k and you'll be happy I promise. Jon and Chris at Seymour AV are as good as they come to work with.
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Thanks for sharing your experience with this projector and XD. I am planning the same but was hoping for 140" wide screen. Do you think that's unreasonable size screen with XD in a totally light controlled room? My calculations say I should get around 18-20 fL but real world experience is useful. Looks great!
For me, 10 feet wide is about as far as i'll go for 3D viewing in terms of brightness. For 2D, you could probably get away with a 140 inch screen, although as the lamp diminishes, you might have to change it more often. Right now, my projector is at maximum zoom in,... so, at it's brightest... and already i won't want the light output to be any less.

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I was never fond of the XD material. It seemed I just couldn't get far enough away and not see the weave from the material. Even past 10 feet. For me I measured I needed to be close to 20' away from the screen material to not see the weave. For those interested I highly suggest getting a sample piece first to see if the weave will bother you. The new Falcon AT screen uses a much finer weave and the ultimate in AT is the Enlightor 4K material.
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I looked hard at the XD and the UF material and went with the UF. It's amazing and perfect if you need to be closer than 12' then get the UF. It's 4k and you'll be happy I promise. Jon and Chris at Seymour AV are as good as they come to work with.
Did you guys try it with the Sony 4K projector or a regular 2D projector? I notice i can go much closer with the 4K projector without seeing the weave.

Also, i notice the XD materials is couarser on one side vs the other.. i am using the 'smoother' side.
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For me, 10 feet wide is about as far as i'll go for 3D viewing in terms of brightness. For 2D, you could probably get away with a 140 inch screen, although as the lamp diminishes, you might have to change it more often. Right now, my projector is at maximum zoom in,... so, at it's brightest... and already i won't want the light output to be any less.





Did you guys try it with the Sony 4K projector or a regular 2D projector? I notice i can go much closer with the 4K projector without seeing the weave.

Also, i notice the XD materials is couarser on one side vs the other.. i am using the 'smoother' side.
I think the XD is the same. One side appears coarser, because of the slight ridge that sticks out. On the other side, this is going in, so it feels smoother and looks smoother, but it actually has the same variation. Does not really matter which side you use, other than you should use the side with the least imperfections. Seymour usually rolls the roll with the intended side in, protected.

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