Official Sony VPL-VW500ES / VW600ES 4K Projector Thread - Page 160 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Baselworld is only a few weeks away. Getting the latest news is easy, Click Here for info on how to join the Watchuseek.com newsletter list. Follow our team for updates featuring event coverage, new product unveilings, watch industry news & more!



Forum Jump: 
 389Likes
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-28-2015, 06:18 PM
Member
 
WIKED's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Gold Coast, Australia
Posts: 141
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 67 Post(s)
Liked: 36
After reading post's on here I am thinking of buying the AEMC CA813 light meter. Has anybody got one?

Last edited by WIKED; 03-28-2015 at 06:27 PM.
WIKED is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 03-28-2015, 10:04 PM
AVS Addicted Member
 
lovingdvd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 10,866
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1582 Post(s)
Liked: 262
Quote:
Originally Posted by WIKED View Post
After reading post's on here I am thinking of buying the AEMC CA813 light meter. Has anybody got one?
Using the CA813 light meter to measure your front projector
lovingdvd is offline  
Old 03-28-2015, 11:53 PM
Advanced Member
 
magicj1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Lake district, England
Posts: 650
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 67 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael9009 View Post
Disable for brightness, enable for contrast.

Really. Why is this please?

I have always been told to leave the DI off when calibrating.
magicj1 is online now  
Old 03-29-2015, 01:06 AM
Member
 
WIKED's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Gold Coast, Australia
Posts: 141
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 67 Post(s)
Liked: 36
Quote:
Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post
Thanks for the link. I did read that thread before I posted in here but that last post was 2yrs ago.

Last edited by WIKED; 03-29-2015 at 01:26 AM.
WIKED is offline  
Old 03-29-2015, 03:15 AM
Newbie
 
Mangiri's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Canberra, Australia
Posts: 9
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Hi All, I'm really loving the 500, but had this fault just appear. Vertical red lines in a couple of bands run across the width of the screen. The lines appear with no source equipment connected, so it is a fault with the projector itself. Has anyone seen this before?
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20150329_201438_resizeda.jpg
Views:	97
Size:	89.2 KB
ID:	633257  
Mangiri is offline  
Old 03-29-2015, 03:19 AM
Newbie
 
Mangiri's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Canberra, Australia
Posts: 9
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Another pic with no equipment connected.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20150329_201824_resizeda.jpg
Views:	129
Size:	119.2 KB
ID:	633265  
Mangiri is offline  
Old 03-29-2015, 04:49 AM
AVS Special Member
 
mariob33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Holbrook, Ma
Posts: 1,876
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 65 Post(s)
Liked: 41
Send a message via Skype™ to mariob33
i had a unit that developed these lines and it needed to be replaced. In particular if you see the lines with no source?

In search of video bliss...
mariob33 is offline  
Old 03-29-2015, 10:25 PM
Advanced Member
 
Michael9009's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Posts: 984
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 253 Post(s)
Liked: 72
Quote:
Originally Posted by magicj1 View Post
Really. Why is this please?

I have always been told to leave the DI off when calibrating.
On my VW1100ES, with the DI disabled (DI Off and Gamma Off), I have to lower the contrast to 89 to avoid clipping the whites. With the DI enabled on Full Auto (Gamma Off), even with the contrast at Max, the whites would not be clipped. So, this suggests that the DI has other effects (on contrast, gamma) than just lowering the output level in dark scenes. Therefore, you should calibrate the contrast with the DI on, if you plan to leave it on when watching video programmes.
magicj1 likes this.
Michael9009 is offline  
Old 03-29-2015, 10:31 PM
Advanced Member
 
Michael9009's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Posts: 984
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 253 Post(s)
Liked: 72
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mangiri View Post
Hi All, I'm really loving the 500, but had this fault just appear. Vertical red lines in a couple of bands run across the width of the screen. The lines appear with no source equipment connected, so it is a fault with the projector itself. Has anyone seen this before?
It appears that the unit is faulty. Contact your dealer or Sony to have the PJ replaced or repaired.
Michael9009 is offline  
Old 03-30-2015, 01:05 AM
Newbie
 
Mangiri's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Canberra, Australia
Posts: 9
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael9009 View Post
It appears that the unit is faulty. Contact your dealer or Sony to have the PJ replaced or repaired.

Thanks Michael, I'll let you know how it goes.


Also, on another subject, was it reported what Firmware 1.20a does? Google comes up with the following on the latest batch:

"Now shipping latest batch VW500ES! Comes with firmware 1.20A!
Latest batch has significantly reduced thermal blue convergence (less color fringing as the panels warm up)"


I'd be interested to know what has been changed to achieve this!
Thanks again all and cheers

Last edited by Mangiri; 03-30-2015 at 01:07 AM. Reason: formatting
Mangiri is offline  
Old 03-30-2015, 09:19 AM
AVS Addicted Member
 
lovingdvd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 10,866
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1582 Post(s)
Liked: 262
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mangiri View Post
Thanks Michael, I'll let you know how it goes.


Also, on another subject, was it reported what Firmware 1.20a does? Google comes up with the following on the latest batch:

"Now shipping latest batch VW500ES! Comes with firmware 1.20A!
Latest batch has significantly reduced thermal blue convergence (less color fringing as the panels warm up)"


I'd be interested to know what has been changed to achieve this!
Thanks again all and cheers
From what I recall with my Sony VW95, its firmware cannot be updated by the user - it must go to Sony for service. Is that still the case with Sony's latest models like the 500/600 and 1100?

Also are you saying that it is firmware 1.20a that addresses the blue convergence during warm up and that the latest batch is shipping with firmware 1.20a, or are you saying that the latest batch has some other tweak (along with 1.20a firmware) that helps with this issue?

How can one purchase a unit and know whether its coming from the latest batch?
lovingdvd is offline  
Old 03-30-2015, 09:33 AM
AVS Special Member
 
mariob33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Holbrook, Ma
Posts: 1,876
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 65 Post(s)
Liked: 41
Send a message via Skype™ to mariob33
Quote:
Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post
From what I recall with my Sony VW95, its firmware cannot be updated by the user - it must go to Sony for service. Is that still the case with Sony's latest models like the 500/600 and 1100?



Also are you saying that it is firmware 1.20a that addresses the blue convergence during warm up and that the latest batch is shipping with firmware 1.20a, or are you saying that the latest batch has some other tweak (along with 1.20a firmware) that helps with this issue?



How can one purchase a unit and know whether its coming from the latest batch?

FW on the 500/600 is able to be upgraded by the user using USB port. I don't think unless you buy from the likes of avs (they do open verify upgrade at least for JVC) who will go the extra mile there is a tried and true method to verify. IMO it's truly luck of the draw. Assuming some form of supply chain excellence chances are you will get something recently produced ~1 year probably less.

In search of video bliss...
mariob33 is offline  
Old 03-30-2015, 09:41 AM
AVS Addicted Member
 
lovingdvd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 10,866
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1582 Post(s)
Liked: 262
Quote:
Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post
FW on the 500/600 is able to be upgraded by the user using USB port. I don't think unless you buy from the likes of avs (they do open verify upgrade at least for JVC) who will go the extra mile there is a tried and true method to verify. IMO it's truly luck of the draw. Assuming some form of supply chain excellence chances are you will get something recently produced ~1 year probably less.
Glad to hear the 500/600 firmware can be upgraded directly by the user. Is the same true for the 1100?
lovingdvd is offline  
Old 03-30-2015, 09:44 AM
Advanced Member
 
George Kouzev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: Canada
Posts: 891
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 232 Post(s)
Liked: 65
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael9009 View Post
On my VW1100ES, with the DI disabled (DI Off and Gamma Off), I have to lower the contrast to 89 to avoid clipping the whites.
I had to lower the Contrast on my VW300ES to 89 avoid clipping the whites, only to realize I should not be doing that. Different pj I know, so number is likely a coincidence but in case. If you are talking Spears & Munsil Bluray, you are supposed to make levels above 235 clip on purpose.
George Kouzev is offline  
Old 03-30-2015, 10:28 AM
AVS Special Member
 
d.j.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Denmark
Posts: 1,500
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 156 Post(s)
Liked: 60
Quote:
Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post
Glad to hear the 500/600 firmware can be upgraded directly by the user. Is the same true for the 1100?

No


dj
d.j. is offline  
Old 03-30-2015, 10:44 AM
Home Theater Lover!
 
Craig Peer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 9,456
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2445 Post(s)
Liked: 2225
Quote:
Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post
From what I recall with my Sony VW95, its firmware cannot be updated by the user - it must go to Sony for service. Is that still the case with Sony's latest models like the 500/600 and 1100?

Also are you saying that it is firmware 1.20a that addresses the blue convergence during warm up and that the latest batch is shipping with firmware 1.20a, or are you saying that the latest batch has some other tweak (along with 1.20a firmware) that helps with this issue?

How can one purchase a unit and know whether its coming from the latest batch?

Updating the firmware on myVW600 was very easy. A tip - unplug your HDMI cable first.


One way to make sure you are purchasing a projector from " the latest batch " is to buy from AV Science. We only sell " fresh " projectors !

AV Science, Inc. Direct (585) 671-2972 craig@avscience.com www.avscience.com Like us on Facebook

Home theater equipment sales and advice. Call to see the JVC RS600 in Northern California

My theater pics - http://www.avsforum.com/photopost/sh...hp?cat=2386514
Craig Peer is offline  
Old 03-30-2015, 10:54 AM
AVS Special Member
 
d.j.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Denmark
Posts: 1,500
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 156 Post(s)
Liked: 60
Quote:
Originally Posted by George Kouzev View Post
I had to lower the Contrast on my VW300ES to 89 avoid clipping the whites, only to realize I should not be doing that. Different pj I know, so number is likely a coincidence but in case. If you are talking Spears & Munsil Bluray,you are supposed to make levels above 235 clip on purpose.



Actully I dont think so, allmost every Sony I ever had adjusted ( 10,30,50,90,95,1000,1100) did begin to clip after about 88 with iris off.




IMO it depends on, if you want to see / have the WTW detail (if and when there is some in the materiel ), or you want to maximaze light output - personally I like to have some headroom and if any WTW detail at all, I want to see / have it - therefore I have it at 88 even that I use the auto full mode ( because I do think that even in auto full, it can clip, it just depends on the materiel and how it adjust the contrast/gamma - but not on the static test pattern from S&M )


your opion may differ


dj
d.j. is offline  
Old 03-30-2015, 11:09 AM
Advanced Member
 
George Kouzev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: Canada
Posts: 891
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 232 Post(s)
Liked: 65
It is good to have some headroom in case these WTW show up from time to time, though 11-12 clicks is an overkill for sure.
George Kouzev is offline  
Old 03-30-2015, 11:13 AM
AVS Addicted Member
 
mark haflich's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Venice, Florida, USA
Posts: 22,167
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1416 Post(s)
Liked: 1006
Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig Peer View Post
Updating the firmware on myVW600 was very easy. A tip - unplug your HDMI cable first.


One way to make sure you are purchasing a projector from " the latest batch " is to buy from AV Science. We only sell " fresh " projectors !

Are they organic as well?
Craig Peer likes this.
mark haflich is offline  
Old 03-30-2015, 11:18 AM
AVS Special Member
 
d.j.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Denmark
Posts: 1,500
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 156 Post(s)
Liked: 60
Quote:
Originally Posted by George Kouzev View Post
It is good to have some headroom in case these WTW show up from time to time, though 11-12 clicks is an overkill for sure.





Not if here sudently "pops" some detail up at 250 ! ( my clips at 251 with contrast at 89 )
d.j. is offline  
Old 03-30-2015, 11:23 AM
Advanced Member
 
George Kouzev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: Canada
Posts: 891
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 232 Post(s)
Liked: 65
Quote:
Originally Posted by d.j. View Post
Not if here sudently "pops" some detail up at 250 ! ( my clips at 251 with contrast at 89 )
Do you know of reference material where these big pops exist? If these are frequent, a larger buffer can make sense.
George Kouzev is offline  
Old 03-30-2015, 12:26 PM
AVS Addicted Member
 
mark haflich's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Venice, Florida, USA
Posts: 22,167
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1416 Post(s)
Liked: 1006
Old wine, aged cigars, young women. and fresh projectors. Could have been George Burns' mantra.
joerod and Craig Peer like this.
mark haflich is offline  
Old 03-30-2015, 01:15 PM
AVS Addicted Member
 
zombie10k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 10,057
Mentioned: 49 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2186 Post(s)
Liked: 1952
Quote:
Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Also are you saying that it is firmware 1.20a that addresses the blue convergence during warm up and that the latest batch is shipping with firmware 1.20a, or are you saying that the latest batch has some other tweak (along with 1.20a firmware) that helps with this issue?

How can one purchase a unit and know whether its coming from the latest batch?
it's possible they are tweaking the digital convergence more so than they currently are. This is one area I didn't like about the VW600 vs. the VW1100. Sony is adjusting these settings at the factory and it can't be turned off. only further adjustments from their 'baseline'.

I would rather have control over this from the start. it let's you see how far off the projector is from the factory.
zombie10k is online now  
Old 03-30-2015, 01:30 PM
Home Theater Lover!
 
Craig Peer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 9,456
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2445 Post(s)
Liked: 2225
Quote:
Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post
Old wine, aged cigars, young women. and fresh projectors. Could have been George Burns' mantra.

What else do you need in life Mark? I'm there buddy !

AV Science, Inc. Direct (585) 671-2972 craig@avscience.com www.avscience.com Like us on Facebook

Home theater equipment sales and advice. Call to see the JVC RS600 in Northern California

My theater pics - http://www.avsforum.com/photopost/sh...hp?cat=2386514
Craig Peer is offline  
Old 03-30-2015, 03:13 PM
Member
 
anmg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Orange County California
Posts: 173
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 46 Post(s)
Liked: 15
I have a 600es and I don't even see the 1.20a on the Sony support website. The latest they have is 1.1.
anmg is online now  
Old 03-30-2015, 04:44 PM
AVS Special Member
 
bweissman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: California
Posts: 1,062
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 200 Post(s)
Liked: 84
Quote:
Originally Posted by anmg View Post
I have a 600es and I don't even see the 1.20a on the Sony support website. The latest they have is 1.1.
We're all seeing that. I have no idea why they haven't put the update on that page.
bweissman is offline  
Old 03-31-2015, 01:41 AM
Advanced Member
 
magicj1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Lake district, England
Posts: 650
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 67 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by George Kouzev View Post
I had to lower the Contrast on my VW300ES to 89 avoid clipping the whites, only to realize I should not be doing that. Different pj I know, so number is likely a coincidence but in case. If you are talking Spears & Munsil Bluray, you are supposed to make levels above 235 clip on purpose.
Hi.

May I ask how you are detecting clipping? I've recently calibrated my vw500 at 100% contrast, I used Agryll/1000 patches, the calibration time was pretty reasonable and the results look spot on to me. Please do not think I am contesting your findings, just wanting to learn more accurate methods.

Thanks
magicj1 is online now  
Old 03-31-2015, 05:37 AM
Advanced Member
 
George Kouzev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: Canada
Posts: 891
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 232 Post(s)
Liked: 65
Quote:
Originally Posted by magicj1 View Post
Hi.

May I ask how you are detecting clipping? I've recently calibrated my vw500 at 100% contrast, I used Agryll/1000 patches, the calibration time was pretty reasonable and the results look spot on to me. Please do not think I am contesting your findings, just wanting to learn more accurate methods.

Thanks
My finding is the same as yours BTW - my PJ is good at 100% contrast. I calibrated using the approach suggested in the S&M disk tutorial (you can Google it). They have a pattern with the top 40-50 levels of white in one bit increment - all the way to 255. With normal signals (as opposed to high dynamic range, I am not sure if they exist for video), the brightest white should not exceed 235. They suggest you map the max contrast of the display to 235 thus clipping all level above in order to max your dynamic range. NOTE: this improves the on/of contrast (another way of saying dynamic range) by 10-20% compared to the 89 contrast setting where you avoid clipping up to 255!
magicj1 likes this.

Last edited by George Kouzev; 03-31-2015 at 05:41 AM.
George Kouzev is offline  
Old 03-31-2015, 06:25 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Ron Jones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: SW Florida
Posts: 6,908
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 841 Post(s)
Liked: 824
Quote:
Originally Posted by WIKED View Post
After reading post's on here I am thinking of buying the AEMC CA813 light meter. Has anybody got one?
I believe the CA813 became popular a decade ago, or more, when there were very few choices for reasonably priced lux meters. Today there are some much less expensive alternatives. I have both a Minolta meter (higher end than the CA813) but I also have a very inexpensive LX1330B (sold under several brand names - Amazon link below). While there very well may be more unit-to-unit variations in the accuracy for the LX1330B (I checked one a friend had purchased and it measured about 10% higher than mine) than for the CA813, but my unit measures within about 1% of what the Minolta reads for light at or near 6500K. One of the problems with any of these meters is the maximum accuracy is for lower color temperatures and in fact AEMC rates the CA813 accuracy at +/- 5% for a 2856K light source (incandescent light) but only +/- 11% for other light sources (see the 2nd link below for the spec. sheet).


http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Meter-Digit...ords=lux+meter


http://www.aemc.com/products/pdf/2121.21.pdf
WIKED likes this.

Ron Jones
Blog + Reviews + Articles: projectorreviews.com

Last edited by Ron Jones; 03-31-2015 at 06:29 AM.
Ron Jones is offline  
Old 03-31-2015, 06:48 AM
Member
 
anmg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Orange County California
Posts: 173
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 46 Post(s)
Liked: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by bweissman View Post
We're all seeing that. I have no idea why they haven't put the update on that page.

Can you get the 1.20a update somewhere else?
anmg is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
 

Tags
Sony Vpl Vw500es , Sony Vpl Vw1000es Projector , Sony Fmp X1 4k Ultra Hd Media Player
Thread Tools


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off