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After reading post's on here I am thinking of buying the AEMC CA813 light meter. Has anybody got one?

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After reading post's on here I am thinking of buying the AEMC CA813 light meter. Has anybody got one?
Using the CA813 light meter to measure your front projector
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Disable for brightness, enable for contrast.

Really. Why is this please?

I have always been told to leave the DI off when calibrating.
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Thanks for the link. I did read that thread before I posted in here but that last post was 2yrs ago.

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Hi All, I'm really loving the 500, but had this fault just appear. Vertical red lines in a couple of bands run across the width of the screen. The lines appear with no source equipment connected, so it is a fault with the projector itself. Has anyone seen this before?
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i had a unit that developed these lines and it needed to be replaced. In particular if you see the lines with no source?

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Really. Why is this please?

I have always been told to leave the DI off when calibrating.
On my VW1100ES, with the DI disabled (DI Off and Gamma Off), I have to lower the contrast to 89 to avoid clipping the whites. With the DI enabled on Full Auto (Gamma Off), even with the contrast at Max, the whites would not be clipped. So, this suggests that the DI has other effects (on contrast, gamma) than just lowering the output level in dark scenes. Therefore, you should calibrate the contrast with the DI on, if you plan to leave it on when watching video programmes.
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Hi All, I'm really loving the 500, but had this fault just appear. Vertical red lines in a couple of bands run across the width of the screen. The lines appear with no source equipment connected, so it is a fault with the projector itself. Has anyone seen this before?
It appears that the unit is faulty. Contact your dealer or Sony to have the PJ replaced or repaired.
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It appears that the unit is faulty. Contact your dealer or Sony to have the PJ replaced or repaired.

Thanks Michael, I'll let you know how it goes.


Also, on another subject, was it reported what Firmware 1.20a does? Google comes up with the following on the latest batch:

"Now shipping latest batch VW500ES! Comes with firmware 1.20A!
Latest batch has significantly reduced thermal blue convergence (less color fringing as the panels warm up)"


I'd be interested to know what has been changed to achieve this!
Thanks again all and cheers

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Thanks Michael, I'll let you know how it goes.


Also, on another subject, was it reported what Firmware 1.20a does? Google comes up with the following on the latest batch:

"Now shipping latest batch VW500ES! Comes with firmware 1.20A!
Latest batch has significantly reduced thermal blue convergence (less color fringing as the panels warm up)"


I'd be interested to know what has been changed to achieve this!
Thanks again all and cheers
From what I recall with my Sony VW95, its firmware cannot be updated by the user - it must go to Sony for service. Is that still the case with Sony's latest models like the 500/600 and 1100?

Also are you saying that it is firmware 1.20a that addresses the blue convergence during warm up and that the latest batch is shipping with firmware 1.20a, or are you saying that the latest batch has some other tweak (along with 1.20a firmware) that helps with this issue?

How can one purchase a unit and know whether its coming from the latest batch?
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From what I recall with my Sony VW95, its firmware cannot be updated by the user - it must go to Sony for service. Is that still the case with Sony's latest models like the 500/600 and 1100?



Also are you saying that it is firmware 1.20a that addresses the blue convergence during warm up and that the latest batch is shipping with firmware 1.20a, or are you saying that the latest batch has some other tweak (along with 1.20a firmware) that helps with this issue?



How can one purchase a unit and know whether its coming from the latest batch?

FW on the 500/600 is able to be upgraded by the user using USB port. I don't think unless you buy from the likes of avs (they do open verify upgrade at least for JVC) who will go the extra mile there is a tried and true method to verify. IMO it's truly luck of the draw. Assuming some form of supply chain excellence chances are you will get something recently produced ~1 year probably less.

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FW on the 500/600 is able to be upgraded by the user using USB port. I don't think unless you buy from the likes of avs (they do open verify upgrade at least for JVC) who will go the extra mile there is a tried and true method to verify. IMO it's truly luck of the draw. Assuming some form of supply chain excellence chances are you will get something recently produced ~1 year probably less.
Glad to hear the 500/600 firmware can be upgraded directly by the user. Is the same true for the 1100?
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On my VW1100ES, with the DI disabled (DI Off and Gamma Off), I have to lower the contrast to 89 to avoid clipping the whites.
I had to lower the Contrast on my VW300ES to 89 avoid clipping the whites, only to realize I should not be doing that. Different pj I know, so number is likely a coincidence but in case. If you are talking Spears & Munsil Bluray, you are supposed to make levels above 235 clip on purpose.
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Glad to hear the 500/600 firmware can be upgraded directly by the user. Is the same true for the 1100?

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From what I recall with my Sony VW95, its firmware cannot be updated by the user - it must go to Sony for service. Is that still the case with Sony's latest models like the 500/600 and 1100?

Also are you saying that it is firmware 1.20a that addresses the blue convergence during warm up and that the latest batch is shipping with firmware 1.20a, or are you saying that the latest batch has some other tweak (along with 1.20a firmware) that helps with this issue?

How can one purchase a unit and know whether its coming from the latest batch?

Updating the firmware on myVW600 was very easy. A tip - unplug your HDMI cable first.


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I had to lower the Contrast on my VW300ES to 89 avoid clipping the whites, only to realize I should not be doing that. Different pj I know, so number is likely a coincidence but in case. If you are talking Spears & Munsil Bluray,you are supposed to make levels above 235 clip on purpose.



Actully I dont think so, allmost every Sony I ever had adjusted ( 10,30,50,90,95,1000,1100) did begin to clip after about 88 with iris off.




IMO it depends on, if you want to see / have the WTW detail (if and when there is some in the materiel ), or you want to maximaze light output - personally I like to have some headroom and if any WTW detail at all, I want to see / have it - therefore I have it at 88 even that I use the auto full mode ( because I do think that even in auto full, it can clip, it just depends on the materiel and how it adjust the contrast/gamma - but not on the static test pattern from S&M )


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It is good to have some headroom in case these WTW show up from time to time, though 11-12 clicks is an overkill for sure.
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Updating the firmware on myVW600 was very easy. A tip - unplug your HDMI cable first.


One way to make sure you are purchasing a projector from " the latest batch " is to buy from AV Science. We only sell " fresh " projectors !

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It is good to have some headroom in case these WTW show up from time to time, though 11-12 clicks is an overkill for sure.





Not if here sudently "pops" some detail up at 250 ! ( my clips at 251 with contrast at 89 )
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Not if here sudently "pops" some detail up at 250 ! ( my clips at 251 with contrast at 89 )
Do you know of reference material where these big pops exist? If these are frequent, a larger buffer can make sense.
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Also are you saying that it is firmware 1.20a that addresses the blue convergence during warm up and that the latest batch is shipping with firmware 1.20a, or are you saying that the latest batch has some other tweak (along with 1.20a firmware) that helps with this issue?

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it's possible they are tweaking the digital convergence more so than they currently are. This is one area I didn't like about the VW600 vs. the VW1100. Sony is adjusting these settings at the factory and it can't be turned off. only further adjustments from their 'baseline'.

I would rather have control over this from the start. it let's you see how far off the projector is from the factory.
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I have a 600es and I don't even see the 1.20a on the Sony support website. The latest they have is 1.1.
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We're all seeing that. I have no idea why they haven't put the update on that page.

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I had to lower the Contrast on my VW300ES to 89 avoid clipping the whites, only to realize I should not be doing that. Different pj I know, so number is likely a coincidence but in case. If you are talking Spears & Munsil Bluray, you are supposed to make levels above 235 clip on purpose.
Hi.

May I ask how you are detecting clipping? I've recently calibrated my vw500 at 100% contrast, I used Agryll/1000 patches, the calibration time was pretty reasonable and the results look spot on to me. Please do not think I am contesting your findings, just wanting to learn more accurate methods.

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