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Sorry, thought I put that in there. 170" wide.
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The Schneider Optics CD 1.33x is a horizontal expansion lens. From basically the same distance as what the projector on its own could do, this anamorphic lens will shorten that length by 1.33x (you just need to factor in the extra length of the anamorphic lens, that's why I said 'basically the same distance'). So as an example, if you were using a 100" wide screen, the Sony on it's own (with it's 1.31 - 2.68 lens) could fill that screen if the lens is placed anywhere from 131 inches to 268 inches. But add in the anamorphic lens and it shortens the throw by 1.33x so you'd be close to 98 inches to 202 inches with the lens in place.

I think the Cine Digitar is better in terms of pincushion over the UH480. I've had both here. The UH480 can accommodate shorter throws however before vignetting occurs. Both are excellent in terms or retaining image sharpness.
170" wide 2.35 screen and 17' of throw, he is going to have a lot of pincushion on a flat screen and a curved screen would be the recommended screen to use. The minimum recommended throw for that size image using a flat screen is 21'-6" when using an A-lens. If you go with the 17' of throw, expect to see about 1.25" of pincushion top and bottom.

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Thanks Mike. My screen is DIY convertible curved using track linear actuators.
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Thanks Mike. My screen is DIY convertible curved using track linear actuators.
To calculate the range of the throw for an A-lens, you use the height of the image. 170" wide 2.35 screen gives you a 72.34" high image. That is the size image in 16:9 that you have to look at. Using a VW600, you can shoot that size image from 14'-9" to 30'-4". So if you had a flat screen, you would use the range of 21'-6" to 30'-4" and with a curved screen, from 14'-9" to 21-'-6", depending on the curvature. If you have the standard 45' radius curve, then 17' to 18' should be pretty good.

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This is when its totally warmed up, and when I say warm I mean its the same after running a couple of full length films.

Blue is 20 notches up and 10 left which is 2+1 pixels according to you guys.

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I don't think it's considered a lemon. Definitely not optimal performance. But most don't get perfect convergence and I believe 2 pixels off is still within Sony's quality control limits.
At first when I read this I thought oh wow, how can he not think 2 pixels off was not a HUGE misalignment error. Then it dawned on me - we are talking about pixels on a 4K projector. So at 1/4 the size of 1080p pixels, that means being off by 2 pixels is 0.5 1080p pixels. That's still less than what I'd consider good, but understandably no longer in the "huge" department.
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What is Sony's current Advanced Replacement Policy for projectors in the US? I assume the VW600 and VW1100 fall under this. As of 3 years ago when I got my VW95 the policy was within the first 90 days Sony would send you out a new unit over night and then you'd put your bad unit in that box and ship it back. Then I think I heard they changed it to two months instead of three. Anyway, I haven't followed along in recent years - can someone say if this is still how their policy works?
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At first when I read this I thought oh wow, how can he not think 2 pixels off was not a HUGE misalignment error. Then it dawned on me - we are talking about pixels on a 4K projector. So at 1/4 the size of 1080p pixels, that means being off by 2 pixels is 0.5 1080p pixels. That's still less than what I'd consider good, but understandably no longer in the "huge" department.
Yep 4K Panel... I don't mind that amount once its warm but it takes at least an hour of horrible convergence before it settles on 2+1 pixels out, I can get it looking perfect with Alignment tool and to me there is no loss of sharpness whatsoever when I use it so thats not really an issue I guess.

I am swapping my unit for a stuck pixel issue though, although a separate issue that's the reason I am actually swapping it for. Hopefully my replacement has even better alignment and no stuck pixels...

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Yep 4K Panel... I don't mind that amount once its warm but it takes at least an hour of horrible convergence before it settles on 2+1 pixels out, I can get it looking perfect with Alignment tool and to me there is no loss of sharpness whatsoever when I use it so thats not really an issue I guess.

I am swapping my unit for a stuck pixel issue though, although a separate issue that's the reason I am actually swapping it for. Hopefully my replacement has even better alignment and no stuck pixels...
I wonder at what point does Sony repair these projectors or just puts units like the one your sending back into resirculation and sells them as b stocks
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Yep 4K Panel... I don't mind that amount once its warm but it takes at least an hour of horrible convergence before it settles on 2+1 pixels out, I can get it looking perfect with Alignment tool and to me there is no loss of sharpness whatsoever when I use it so thats not really an issue I guess.

I am swapping my unit for a stuck pixel issue though, although a separate issue that's the reason I am actually swapping it for. Hopefully my replacement has even better alignment and no stuck pixels...
In a way you should feel lucky about the stuck pixel as your next unit is likely to be better with convergence too.
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I wouldn't be concerned with globally correcting panel non alignment in full pixel increments at all. I wouldn't consider a 3 pixel error to be any worse than 2 pixels or one pixels. FULL pixel correction has for all practicality no adverse impacts on picture quality except for the loss of a line per pixel corrected at the edge of the image and those lines are normally overscanned on the screen border. I would MUCH MUCH more have a full three pixel error than a 1/2 pixel error whose correction would introduce artifacts to the really anal viewer. If you can't see the misconvergence from your viewing on your thrown seat, leave the convergence controls alone except for full pixel global corrections.

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Yep 4K Panel... I don't mind that amount once its warm but it takes at least an hour of horrible convergence before it settles on 2+1 pixels out, I can get it looking perfect with Alignment tool and to me there is no loss of sharpness whatsoever when I use it so thats not really an issue I guess.

It has nothing to do with what you see or don't see, there are no loses in sharpness with global full pixel correction. Loses occur with subpixel corrections which are absolutely there no matter how non acute you are as an observer. A set that as a full pixel error is better than a set with a half pixel error if you insist on correcting subpixel errors.

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What is Sony's current Advanced Replacement Policy for projectors in the US? I assume the VW600 and VW1100 fall under this. As of 3 years ago when I got my VW95 the policy was within the first 90 days Sony would send you out a new unit over night and then you'd put your bad unit in that box and ship it back. Then I think I heard they changed it to two months instead of three. Anyway, I haven't followed along in recent years - can someone say if this is still how their policy works?
It is now 30 days.

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I wonder at what point does Sony repair these projectors or just puts units like the one your sending back into resirculation and sells them as b stocks
I don't think they sell them as B-stocks. I have sold a lot of B-stocks and have never had a B-stock with a stuck pixel.

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Would this be an upgrade from my UH480?
This is not an answer to your question but you may want to read this article by Ron Jones here. Be sure to read the reply by ozvids. He implies the crystalmorphic by Tony Drummetts is the only one available that will pass 4K. Please note the article is a year old and things may have changed in the world of anamorphic lens.
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This is not an answer to your question but you may want to read this article by Ron Jones here. Be sure to read the reply by ozvids. He implies the crystalmorphic by Tony Drummetts is the only one available that will pass 4K. Please note the article is a year old and things may have changed in the world of anamorphic lens.

I've been perfectly happy zooming on my 2.35:1 screen with my VW600.

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Same here except for reading menus, when zoomed, from BD player and FMP-X10 media player.

I can not find any info on "crystalmorphic by Tony Drummetts". Thought sure I had a reference but can not find it anymore
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Same here except for reading menus, when zoomed, from BD player and FMP-X10 media player.

I can not find any info on "crystalmorphic by Tony Drummetts". Thought sure I had a reference but can not find it anymore

Try this - http://xeitoptics.com/xeit-v-isco-shootout/

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Wow. Even firmware 1.20a won't fix that. Obviously the unit was dropped, probably in shipment, severely damaging the optical block. Surely, the problem didn't arise after time on the unit.
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Wow. Even firmware 1.20a won't fix that. Obviously the unit was dropped, probably in shipment, severely damaging the optical block. Surely, the problem didn't arise after time on the unit.
I think you underestimate the power of 1.20A.
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