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My processor is still a ~10 year-old Lexicon MC-8 which does wonderfully in most cases; for Blu-ray I use the analog outs of my Oppo BDP-105.

Just replaced my 11 year-old TH-50PD6UY Panasonic plasma.

Amplifier is about 15 years old, though the speakers got a refresh two years ago (but I still have the 25 year-old speakers they replaced set up in another room.)
I'm still using my Macintosh mx135 pre pro paired with my oppo 105 for bluray. Love it!
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- Projector I would love every 7 years after I decide to upgrade to 4K then I know 8K is around the corner but that will be in at least ten to 15 years
Just for the fun of of it on 8k. Here is the resolution seating distance chart:

http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html

Imagine the 8k slice slotted right below the 4k one. On a 120" screen with 8k you have to:

- sit 7 feet from the screen to even begin to see differences
- sit 2-3 feet from the screen to fully appreciate it

Unless we start using 8k for different applications and in a different environment, it remains an utter non-sense aimed to convince people to spend money on something that they definitely do not need. Not to mention the increased cost of infrastructure/technology that will have to support it. The megapixel race with digital cameras seems to have cooled down, I see something similar happening with displays as well.

I see the argument about 8k being more than increased resolution and these other things may be super cool, though dragging all in one bag and pushing the 8k res as part of the package may not be a good idea for end users.
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At 64K what would the distance be to fully appreciate the difference. At some point you would have to put your nose just off the screen and a front projector would be out because you head would block any pixels you could otherwise see. But it would be viable for a panel.

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25 year old speakers probably need the caps replaced.
And the surrounds.

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Just for the fun of of it on 8k. Here is the resolution seating distance chart:

http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html

Imagine the 8k slice slotted right below the 4k one. On a 120" screen with 8k you have to:

- sit 7 feet from the screen to even begin to see differences
- sit 2-3 feet from the screen to fully appreciate it

Unless we start using 8k for different applications and in a different environment, it remains an utter non-sense aimed to convince people to spend money on something that they definitely do not need. Not to mention the increased cost of infrastructure/technology that will have to support it. The megapixel race with digital cameras seems to have cooled down, I see something similar happening with displays as well.

I see the argument about 8k being more than increased resolution and these other things may be super cool, though dragging all in one bag and pushing the 8k res as part of the package may not be a good idea for end users.



And then there are all the movies shot and restored in 8 K for now : ..........................none..........


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And the surrounds.
Especially if foam or rubber and not cloth. Had to re-foam the drivers in my JBL 8340's when I bought them.

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And the surrounds.

Definitely on the foam surrounds. Very likely the caps especially if polyprops. Maybe the seating gaskets. Also new binding posts if strips were used instead of posts.

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A Tripp Lite SMART1300LCDT (720W version). If I were doing again the CyberPower CP1000PFCLCD would be considered.
The cyberpower's are good units. I have four of the 1500va models. Two powering AV components, and two powering computers/NAS/networking. Less expensive and better than the minutemen and APC models I have (or had) around the house on other equipment.
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Especially if foam or rubber and not cloth. Had to re-foam the drivers in my JBL 8340's when I bought them.
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Just for the fun of of it on 8k. Here is the resolution seating distance chart:

http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html

Imagine the 8k slice slotted right below the 4k one. On a 120" screen with 8k you have to:
It's not a fixed/sharp cutoff though, it's a curve, and it's not necessarily that simple. If I did my math right, it looks like that chart is using an assumed angular resolution of the eye of 65 pixels per degree, others say it's more like 100 pixels/degree:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/19840...a_display.html

NHK did a study, and found that "realness" is a function of angular resolution:
http://www.nhk.or.jp/strl/results/an...0_chapter1.pdf

They also found that realness "saturates" at around 65 cycles per degree (130 pixels per degree), and becomes indistinguishable from the real thing at 155 cpd (310 pixels/degree).

4k at 130 pixels per degree is about 3.5 picture heights.

If you're going for indistinguishable from reality, 310 pixels/degree, that's over 8 picture heights.

Or to put it another way, for a 120" 2160 image:
  • For "realness" saturation, you could sit as far as 17 feet.
  • For indistinguishable, you could sit as far as 39 feet.
For 8k: it would be, well half that, 8.5 ft and 19.5 ft.

See what an anamorphoscopic lens can do, see movies the way they were meant to be seen
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Interesting... assuming there is some practical truth in this, it does make the case for 4k vs. HD even stronger. It would be interesting to A-B once we have top notch identical footages. Exciting times ahead,,,
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Just for the fun of of it on 8k. Here is the resolution seating distance chart:

http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html

Imagine the 8k slice slotted right below the 4k one. On a 120" screen with 8k you have to:

- sit 7 feet from the screen to even begin to see differences
- sit 2-3 feet from the screen to fully appreciate it

Unless we start using 8k for different applications and in a different environment, it remains an utter non-sense aimed to convince people to spend money on something that they definitely do not need. Not to mention the increased cost of infrastructure/technology that will have to support it. The megapixel race with digital cameras seems to have cooled down, I see something similar happening with displays as well.

I see the argument about 8k being more than increased resolution and these other things may be super cool, though dragging all in one bag and pushing the 8k res as part of the package may not be a good idea for end users.
8K will be great for monitors
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Hi Folks,

I noticed something rattleing/vibrating in there when I put the device on it's shelf. Doesn't do it when running, just when I (gentle) tap on the left air outlet, the side where the IR sensor is, I hear it loud and clear. (no matter if in on or off state)

Now not sure if my old one did that as well, but I'm almost certain I would have noticed.
Also we all here think it is louder with an additional higher tone than the old one.
Anyway, maybe we are just over sensitve now since the whole Situation is really annoying! But the strange rattleing is really making me nervous.

Can anyone here with an VW500ES2/3 try slightly tapping the left air outlet area and listen if itr vibrates on your's as well? (really not to heavy. just as if you would be tapping your fingers on a table when waiting for something - hard to explain, sorry.)
I have the exact same rattle (on my VW350ES). On right side (but I'm ceiling mount so it's really the left side). Slight tap and rattle rattle. Was going to make a fuss but, since it only rattles when I tap it, I just stopped tapping it.
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