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That's good/bad news. Glad to hear that we should be good on the bandwidth front, but am a bit disappointed by the confirmation of REC.709 only.

Thanks for the nifty cheat sheet.

That all being said, does anyone (barring Barco, Christie, DPI) make a 4K projector with REC.2020 support?
There are no consumer displays that can do REC2020. I don't just mean projectors, I mean flat panel TVs too. What we'll be seeing at first on UHD blu-ray is DCI-P3 color gamut and/or possibly REC709 content to begin with on the first few titles. We won't be getting REC2020 for a while. We still need displays capable of REC2020 before that can happen and content that's actually capturing a color gamut this large. If you check the $20000+ forum there is a thread about a new commercial cinema projector which uses direct laser illumination and can do REC2020, the first of it's kind. It will be many years before you see REC2020 become a mainstream feature on economically sensible displays.

The only projector out right now that is native 4K/UHD, has support for P3 color space, and has enough bandwidth and HDCP 2.2 to faithfully reproduce UHD bluray is the Sony VPL-VW1100ES, though I suspect we'll be getting 2-3 more projectors this fall when they're announced at CEDIA.
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There are no consumer displays that can do REC2020. I don't just mean projectors, I mean flat panel TVs too. What we'll be seeing at first on UHD blu-ray is DCI-P3 color gamut and/or possibly REC709 content to begin with on the first few titles. We won't be getting REC2020 for a while. We still need displays capable of REC2020 before that can happen and content that's actually capturing a color gamut this large. If you check the $20000+ forum there is a thread about a new commercial cinema projector which uses direct laser illumination and can do REC2020, the first of it's kind. It will be many years before you see REC2020 become a mainstream feature on economically sensible displays.

The only projector out right now that is native 4K/UHD, has support for P3 color space, and has enough bandwidth and HDCP 2.2 to faithfully reproduce UHD bluray is the Sony VPL-VW1100ES, though I suspect we'll be getting 2-3 more projectors this fall when they're announced at CEDIA.
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There are no consumer displays that can do REC2020. I don't just mean projectors, I mean flat panel TVs too. What we'll be seeing at first on UHD blu-ray is DCI-P3 color gamut and/or possibly REC709 content to begin with on the first few titles. We won't be getting REC2020 for a while. We still need displays capable of REC2020 before that can happen and content that's actually capturing a color gamut this large. If you check the $20000+ forum there is a thread about a new commercial cinema projector which uses direct laser illumination and can do REC2020, the first of it's kind. It will be many years before you see REC2020 become a mainstream feature on economically sensible displays.
I don't even think there is any content being made/filmed with rec. 2020 is there?

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I don't even think there is any content being made/filmed with rec. 2020 is there?
I don't know if there are any popular/mass-available cameras that can capture REC2020. I think the closest out there right now is the Sony F65. Don't quote me though as I don't really follow the camera/recording device scene.



REC2020 is a bit larger than the F65's "S-Gamut" especially in the direction of green.
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I did realize how much larger "print film" (which I assume is analog 35mm) is compared to DCI.

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If you want to get really confused, here's a ton of gamuts you can compare:



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Funny how some of them go out of visible color.

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DPI claims "close" to 2020 on the Insight 4K LED.
http://www.digitalprojection.com/dp-...nsight-led-4k/

You may have to sell your house though to buy one.

Unless you need a projector right now, I'd just sit tight and see what comes out this fall. There should be options below the VW1100 price point that are 4K with at least P3 (most likely "implemented" gamut for UHD BD) gamut.

One thing I think is important to realize about Rec2020, is I don't think it's really important than anything actually gets all the way there. What I mean is, think of it like a protocol. HDMI 2.0 has bandwidth to 18Gbps, but nothing really needs all of it. The important thing with Rec 2020 is that it's big enough to support just about any practical gamut that comes up, and with SMPTE 2086, that can be mapped appropriately to whatever a display is capable of. So we won't have a situation like Blu-ray where it was spec'd out early on with 709 because that's what TVs were capable of, only to be handicapped and unable to use full DCI masters for the life of the format.

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Thanks Seegs108. Simply confirms that I should have bought the 1100ES
Movie theaters have been DCI for many years and yet I don't recall ever seeing a post on AVS, saying how the colors at the theater look so much better than what I get at home.

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I will just say the color from rec 610 to rec 709 was rather significant and noticeable to my eyes. That was one of the largest improvements of going to HD. I'm not sure if going from rec 709 to DCI-P3 will be of the same magnitude or not.

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Movie theaters have been DCI for many years and yet I don't recall ever seeing a post on AVS, saying how the colors at the theater look so much better than what I get at home.
Mike, I wasn't being serious. I love the VW600ES and am comfortable with my decision in purchasing it (Thanks again BTW). I just want to be ready for 4K BD so I can FINALLY take advantage of owning a 4K projector.
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Movie theaters have been DCI for many years and yet I don't recall ever seeing a post on AVS, saying how the colors at the theater look so much better than what I get at home.

I have posted that statement several times in various projector threads. for what it's worth, P3 is much more noticeable than going from 601 to 709. The changes are dramatic in the reds and yellows but the only reason for so much chatter is what the potential increase is rather than any perceived deficiencies in rec 709. The vast majority of consumers thing their sets display every color visible to the human eye already.

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