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Been reading up on the newly announced 4K spec & to a layman like me it's completely confusing..
Will this pj be compatible or not?
Just wondering if i've bought in to this thing too early, even this thread seems pretty quiet.
Are people that own this considering jumping ship??
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Sort of. It had HDMI ports that support HDCP 2.2 and 10 bit color and the panels themselves can display 10bit color. The projector does not support a color gamut larger than REC709 so you won't be able to take advantage of any movie released with meta-data that creates a color gamut larger than REC709 as per SMPTE 2084. For that you'd need to step up to the VPL-VW1100ES with it's P3 color filter. Arguably the only thing the 1100ES will miss out on in this initial phase of UHD blu-ray is HDR, but I suspect projectors in general won't be able to do HDR for a while considering how much brighter a display needs to be to do HDR. If we do see this feature in projectors it will most likely necessitate the use of a fairly small screen.

So it supports SOME features, but not all of them.
To add to this, screen size, room conditions and screen gain will have to be considered for use of the P3 filter, since it cuts light output 30 to 35%. So if your screen is large and low gain and/or have a lot of ambient light, (mine fits this category, large/low gain) then you might not be able to use the filter.

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Correct. Though with a new bulb you can still get 1200+ color accurate lumens from the 1100ES (high lamp mode) with the P3 filter in place. That's still brighter than most home theater projectors out there.
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True, but the actual cost was less for the Lumis repair ! My point being that Sim's repair charges are extremely reasonable IMO.
I have a much different experience then again I am not a dealer!!
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I have a much different experience then again I am not a dealer!!
I do not think Craig was a dealer at the time.

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I bought the Lumis, then had it serviced a year after I had left AV Science. Perhaps you should have bought your Sim projector through AV Science - having a good dealer that stands behind you can make all the difference !

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To add to this, screen size, room conditions and screen gain will have to be considered for use of the P3 filter, since it cuts light output 30 to 35%. So if your screen is large and low gain and/or have a lot of ambient light, (mine fits this category, large/low gain) then you might not be able to use the filter.
Not that easy this pj game, seems a lot of variables to deal with..
Is anyone with one of these considering a new pj when they get announced, or are you still happy with this Sony?
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Not that easy this pj game, seems a lot of variables to deal with..
Is anyone with one of these considering a new pj when they get announced, or are you still happy with this Sony?
Perfectly happy with my 600. I am not recommending anyone to upgrade from a 350 or 600.

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Not that easy this pj game, seems a lot of variables to deal with..
Is anyone with one of these considering a new pj when they get announced, or are you still happy with this Sony?
I too am happy with my VW600. The improvement year to year in projectors is small and incremental at best. If there are giant leaps forward, they come with giant price tags !

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I too am happy with my VW600. The improvement year to year in projectors is small and incremental at best. If there are giant leaps forward, they come with giant price tags !
Yeah i guess so, many thanks for your replies..

Just one last one, can anyone recommend some settings, i keep having a play but not really a clue what i'm doing, i realise everyone's will be different due to room & screen etc, but it would be appreciated none the less.

I will have it fully calibrated professionally once i have it set up in my other room that's being revamped.

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Yeah i guess so, many thanks for your replies..

Just one last one, can anyone recommend some settings, i keep having a play but not really a clue what i'm doing, i realise everyone's will be different due to room & screen etc, but it would be appreciated none the less.

I will have it fully calibrated professionally once i have it set up in my other room that's being revamped.

All the best
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Reference mode is best - by far (others are pretty bad for shadow details tracking)
D65 for sure, until you calibrate
Color space 3
Color - 42
Contrast - 97
Sharpness - 0
Hue - 50/middle
Brightness - 52 with Contrast Enhancer Off, or
Brightness - 54 with Contrast Enhancer Low
Gama 2.4 or 2.2 - I am still experimenting
RC On, with low settings
Motion either Smooth Low or True Cinema, avoid Impulse and Combination as they reduce light output and native contrast

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Not Craig, but you can try these:

Reference mode is best - by far (others are pretty bad for shadow details tracking)
D65 for sure, until you calibrate
Color space 3
Color - 42
Contrast - 97
Sharpness - 0
Hue - 50/middle
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Brightness - 54 with Contrast Enhancer Low
Gama 2.4 or 2.2 - I am still experimenting
RC On, with low settings
Motion either Smooth Low or True Cinema, avoid Impulse and Combination as they reduce light output and native contrast
Many thanks, i 'll give those a whirl
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In terms of vertical lens shift, how far can the 600es be mounted beneath a screen if it is placed 13' from a 120" screen?
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In terms of vertical lens shift, how far can the 600es be mounted beneath a screen if it is placed 13' from a 120" screen?
Has nothing to do with throw. It works off of screen height. If your screen is 59" high and you have the lens centered horizontally, then you have around 85% lens shift. So the projector lens can be 85% of the screen height above the center of the screen, all the way to 85% of screen height below center of the screen.

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So .85 x 59" = 50". So you have 100" of total length to work with. Another way of putting it. Anywhere from 20.5" above the top of the image to 20.5" below the bottom of the image. Now this projector like most projectors that have lens shift, gives you more than you should ever use. Try to get the lens so that it fits within the top and bottom of the image for best results.

Sony also has an ios or android App that can be downloaded, that will give you this information.

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Has nothing to do with throw. It works off of screen height. If your screen is 59" high and you have the lens centered horizontally, then you have around 85% lens shift. So the projector lens can be 85% of the screen height above the center of the screen, all the way to 85% of screen height below center of the screen.

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So .85 x 59" = 50". So you have 100" of total length to work with. Another way of putting it. Anywhere from 20.5" above the top of the image to 20.5" below the bottom of the image. Now this projector like most projectors that have lens shift, gives you more than you should ever use. Try to get the lens so that it fits within the top and bottom of the image for best results.

Sony also has an ios or android App that can be downloaded, that will give you this information.
Ah, I see. Thank you very much Mike.
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