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post #5401 of 5693 Old 09-25-2015, 01:27 PM
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I am pretty sure you know this, but to clarify to others, JVC and Sony both use the same technology.
Right, they are both LCOS technology just different variations of it and that SXRD has higher ANSI contrast and DILA is higher in native contrast. Sorry, I should've mentioned that.
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Right, they are both LCOS technology just different variations of it and that SXRD has higher ANSI contrast and DILA is higher in native contrast. Sorry, I should've mentioned that.
Still not 100% correct. It's more along the lines of light engine and optical design that help each technology (SXRD and DiLA) give these projector's those traits. That is, it's not entirely the micro display that gives each manufacturer's projectors those traits you talk about. If Sony wanted to they could change up their light engine and optics to give higher on/off contrast and the same thing goes for JVC when it comes to ANSI contrast.

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Still not 100% correct. It's more along the lines of light engine and optical design that help each technology (SXRD and DiLA) give these projector's those traits. That is, it's not entirely the micro display that gives each manufacturer's projectors those traits you talk about. If Sony wanted to they could change up their light engine and optics to give higher on/off contrast and the same thing goes for JVC when it comes to ANSI contrast.
Gotcha......so I just should have said in Sony's and JVC's implementation of LCOS that Sony's implementation has higher ANSI contrast and JVC's implementation has higher native contrast.
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Gotcha......so I just should have said in Sony's and JVC's implementation of LCOS that Sony's implementation has higher ANSI contrast and JVC's implementation has higher native contrast.
Yes, currently that's the case. In the future they may take on different characteristics. Hopefully, always for the better.
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Alex, I have a 133 in diagonal, 16:9, Da-Lite HD Progressive 1.3 in a light controlled room which is not a bat cave (light coloured walls). The image from my VW1100ES is phenomenal.

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Hey guys. What kind of 16x9 screens are you using in 100% light controlled room with this PJ? I currently use EliteScreens CineGray screen and for some reason the left and bottom edge of each line of the grid used for Focus, is blurry. Are yours doing the same? My RS4910 did something similar.



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Is anyone also annoyed that the 500ES has got no possibility to do vertical stretch in the 4K mode whereas 2,35:1 is no problem? It even lacks the modes for 1,85:1 and squeeze. Even my Oppo 103 could do that in 4k mode (while it unfortunately still does not deliver hdcp 2.2 so I cannot use 4k sources like new Fire TV)
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Is anyone also annoyed that the 500ES has got no possibility to do vertical stretch in the 4K mode whereas 2,35:1 is no problem? It even lacks the modes for 1,85:1 and squeeze. Even my Oppo 103 could do that in 4k mode (while it unfortunately still does not deliver hdcp 2.2 so I cannot use 4k sources like new Fire TV)
No, your Oppo can't do that. Your Oppo can do vertical stretch in 1080P mode and then upconvert to 4K. The Sony can do that already. This is why I have been waiting for the Lumagen or some other device to do vertical stretch of 4K content.

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No, your Oppo can't do that. Your Oppo can do vertical stretch in 1080P mode and then upconvert to 4K. The Sony can do that already. This is why I have been waiting for the Lumagen or some other device to do vertical stretch of 4K content.
Well I plugged my Sony FMP-X1 into the Oppo´s HDMI in and used the vertical stretch Function on the movie preview (because they are not hdcp encoded) and it worked. So if what you are saying is true, that would mean that the Previews on the FMP-X1 are not 4k.
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Is anyone also annoyed that the 500ES has got no possibility to do vertical stretch in the 4K mode whereas 2,35:1 is no problem? It even lacks the modes for 1,85:1 and squeeze. Even my Oppo 103 could do that in 4k mode (while it unfortunately still does not deliver hdcp 2.2 so I cannot use 4k sources like new Fire TV)

Since I zoom and do not use an anamorphic lens, that's not a problem for me anyway.

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Well I plugged my Sony FMP-X1 into the Oppo´s HDMI in and used the vertical stretch Function on the movie preview (because they are not hdcp encoded) and it worked. So if what you are saying is true, that would mean that the Previews on the FMP-X1 are not 4k.
Actually according to the specs, the Oppo doesn't support 4K input, so you're only getting 1080p from your FMP-X1 if you pipe it through the Oppo.

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Actually according to the specs, the Oppo doesn't support 4K input, so you're only getting 1080p from your FMP-X1 if you pipe it through the Oppo.
Correct.

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I am having trouble locating the keystone adjustment, is there a trick to getting to it in the menus?

Any help would be appreciated.

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I am having trouble locating the keystone adjustment, is there a trick to getting to it in the menus?

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No trick because it does not have one. This projector has "Lens Shift" so not sure why you would need a keystone adjustment. Page 6 through 11 should have all the info you need to do an install.
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Ok, maybe I should rephrase. Is there a way to use lens shift to adjust when the image is wider at the bottom or top of the screen or does the projector have to be positioned to avoid that?

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check the levelness of the projector and Screen. The bottom wider is indicating the bottom of the screen is further from the light source than the top of the screen. i always ensure the projector is properly level (side to side and front to back), center the lens as close as you can afford to do with the center of the screen. Make sure the screen is properly level (side to side) and that it is hanging perfectly down. if you have a wall mounted screen, it could be somewhat out of plumb and causing the screen to be out of plumb. Once these are adjusted, then use the lens shift to get it perfect.
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Thanks, that is interesting, the CRT I am replacing doesn't require that the projector be so square to the screen, you can hang it on an angle and just adjust the keystone setting. There must be a reason this PJ does not have that adjustment capability, I just wasn't expecting it.

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Ok, maybe I should rephrase. Is there a way to use lens shift to adjust when the image is wider at the bottom or top of the screen or does the projector have to be positioned to avoid that?
Angle toward smaller side. So if top is smaller than bottom, tilt projector up and then lens shift the image back down, onto the screen.

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Thanks, that is interesting, the CRT I am replacing doesn't require that the projector be so square to the screen, you can hang it on an angle and just adjust the keystone setting. There must be a reason this PJ does not have that adjustment capability, I just wasn't expecting it.



Electronic keystone adjustment really degrades the PQ of projectors and that is why manufacturers now leave it out of HT projectors which are normally set up permanently. You will still find it on presentation projectors which are usually mobile and quickly set up.
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OK, I just purchased a Fire TV 4k so I can at least see how Netflix looks on this thing. I know I won't get sound until I get a hdcp 2.2 receiver so I just plugged it in direct. I plugged it into both HDMI ports (1 & 2) even though I think that 2 is the only one that is HDCP 2.2 compliant, however I get this message on the screen and therefore can't see 4k. Very frustrating. Is there something I'm going wrong here? Hopefully someone can help me out because this is driving me nuts.
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OK, I just purchased a Fire TV 4k so I can at least see how Netflix looks on this thing. I know I won't get sound until I get a hdcp 2.2 receiver so I just plugged it in direct. I plugged it into both HDMI ports (1 & 2) even though I think that 2 is the only one that is HDCP 2.2 compliant, however I get this message on the screen and therefore can't see 4k. Very frustrating. Is there something I'm going wrong here? Hopefully someone can help me out because this is driving me nuts.


Hmm... That's odd. its definitely input 2 that is hdcp2.2. Mine worked with 4K just fine last night.

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I went into my cabinet and realized a had that stupid darbee attached. It obviously isn't compliant so the unit thought that was the tv. Works fine directly now and can at least see video which looks fantastic. I'll be ordering the new Marantz receiver when it becomes available and we should be all set.
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I went into my cabinet and realized a had that stupid darbee attached. It obviously isn't compliant so the unit thought that was the tv. Works fine directly now and can at least see video which looks fantastic. I'll be ordering the new Marantz receiver when it becomes available and we should be all set.
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If anyone is holding out on the hope of picking up a new VW600 at reduced cost, once the replacement comes out, it may be hard to find one. Sony has very few left and the remaining VW600's that Sony has, they are holding for emergency replacement.

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Hi guys

I've been extremely happy with the overall picture quality of my VPL-VW500es since I bought it 2yrs ago.

Rogers here in Toronto has just announced that they will come out with 4K live and support HDR. Would my vw500es support HDR? Does anyone know if it can be updated via firmware for this?
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Hi guys

I've been extremely happy with the overall picture quality of my VPL-VW500es since I bought it 2yrs ago.

Rogers here in Toronto has just announced that they will come out with 4K live and support HDR. Would my vw500es support HDR? Does anyone know if it can be updated via firmware for this?
I have been told no.

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The new 600ES will contain HDR, correct? But no P3.


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The new 600ES will contain HDR, correct? But no P3.
The VW600 replacement will have HDR, but no P3, correct.

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The VW600 replacement will have HDR, but no P3, correct.
Anything known on contrast improvements?


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Anything known on contrast improvements?
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I went into my cabinet and realized a had that stupid darbee attached. It obviously isn't compliant so the unit thought that was the tv. Works fine directly now and can at least see video which looks fantastic. I'll be ordering the new Marantz receiver when it becomes available and we should be all set.
All the new Marantz AVR's have been available to us about two weeks ago. What model were you waiting on?
I was looking at the SR7010. Do you already have it in stock?
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