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Oh its a mystery when it comes to AT screen material. I have Seymour XD AT screen with .9 gain. Sound wise, I don't have issues with it but display wise I do. I have a 145" 2.35 screen and I sit 12 feet from screen. Generally the image looks good but when it a scene with bright light, it makes the weave very visible. Seymour charged me extra to cut the material for me at 40 degrees to make sure I don't see any of these effect but I still see them :-(. @Lebob;, how does your screen look with High Lamp on on a bright scene? Does it show any screen effect?
The screen is cut at an angle to avoid moiré from occuring, not to get rid of visible texture from the weave on the screen.

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How do you like it? 1.35 is a very good gain for an AT screen. Do you end up seeing any pattern on screen if its a bright scene?
I don't see any perfs, moire or hotspotting with this screen. I had the same material in my last theatre with a JVC RS-1 projector, and had no problem there either. For me, the Stewart screen is still the gold standard.
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Oh its a mystery when it comes to AT screen material. I have Seymour XD AT screen with .9 gain. Sound wise, I don't have issues with it but display wise I do. I have a 145" 2.35 screen and I sit 12 feet from screen. Generally the image looks good but when it a scene with bright light, it makes the weave very visible. Seymour charged me extra to cut the material for me at 40 degrees to make sure I don't see any of these effect but I still see them :-(. @Lebob;, how does your screen look with High Lamp on on a bright scene? Does it show any screen effect?
Cutting the fabric on an angle does not have anything to do with not seeing the weave. Cutting on an angle is so that the grid pattern of the screen does not match up with the grid pattern of the pixels, giving you moire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moir%C3%A9_pattern

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The screen is cut at an angle to avoid moiré from occuring, not to get rid of visible texture from the weave on the screen.
Thx for correcting my mistake. I wasn't sure of the actual term. So yes its the texture. You have had a great journey with projectors. Do you use AT screen?
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Thx for correcting my mistake. I wasn't sure of the actual term. So yes its the texture. You have had a great journey with projectors. Do you use AT screen?
If you want a woven AT screen that you will not see from your viewing distance, look at Screen Excellence EN4K.
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Hello.

I'm joining this party pretty late, but had a quick question. I'm coming from a JVC RS57. This Sony seems to have different settings than the JVC in how it sizes the image on my 2.35 screen.

When I use the shift/zoom to get the grid in the same spot as I had with the JVC projector, I see that the image from the Sony does not fill the entire screen when video / movie is being displayed. Small black bars show on the left and right. When I use the 2.35 zoom, the image fills the entire screen.

What does this 2.35 zoom really do? Is it that my source is 3840 and the Sony has 4096 panels?

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Just wanted to update you guys that I finally found 3d Glasses that are compatible with 600es and also have the sides covered. Here is the link
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I only tested them for 10 minutes so far and during this test, I find them very comfortable to wear. They also block the light from sides which is what I was initially looking for.
They look very nice. Personally, I don't mind the Samsung glasses especially for the price. Oddly enough they sync up quicker on my 500ES than the actual Sony ones do. Plus I wear glasses and there is room with the wide arc of the Samsung.

Must say the Samsungs are not that sturdy. What you have there look better than the Sony glasses and seem better built.
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Hi Fellows,

I recently changed my bulb after 1300h (10 months) and I wonder if somebody got the same experience like me:

I measured the new bulb with the same equipment and settings::

original bulb with 0 hours: 400 lux
new bulb with 0 hours: 310 lux

The bulb is original form Sony Prime support. It is not the first time, that I found that the replacement bulb's are not performing as well as the brand new, which comes with the projector. I saw this behavior on Sony, JVC projects in the past.

Question: What could be the issue? Do the panels really get so fast "older" and lose light performance?
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Hi Fellows,

I recently changed my bulb after 1300h (10 months) and I wonder if somebody got the same experience like me:

I measured the new bulb with the same equipment and settings::

original bulb with 0 hours: 400 lux
new bulb with 0 hours: 310 lux

The bulb is original form Sony Prime support. It is not the first time, that I found that the replacement bulb's are not performing as well as the brand new, which comes with the projector. I saw this behavior on Sony, JVC projects in the past.

Question: What could be the issue? Do the panels really get so fast "older" and lose light performance?
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Projector distance formula puzzle:

I am looking at trying to us a 150" screen with my 500ES but I have only frontwall to backwall distance of 4.172m (13'8.25") - I realize some of that will be taken up by the screen depth and projector size. So I am trying to use Sony's projection minimum distance formula (Pg 62 in the manual) to see if I can use a 150" screen...but it doesn't work!

According to the Sony manual, for a 16:9 screen, the formula for minimum projector distance (for a 150" screen): L=0.030934xD-0.0434 using metre units. For 150" (3.81m) L come out as .074459m ... stupid!

Anyone else have a problem making sense of this formula?
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Projector distance formula puzzle:

I am looking at trying to us a 150" screen with my 500ES but I have only frontwall to backwall distance of 4.172m (13'8.25") - I realize some of that will be taken up by the screen depth and projector size. So I am trying to use Sony's projection minimum distance formula (Pg 62 in the manual) to see if I can use a 150" screen...but it doesn't work!

According to the Sony manual, for a 16:9 screen, the formula for minimum projector distance (for a 150" screen): L=0.030934xD-0.0434 using metre units. For 150" (3.81m) L come out as .074459m ... stupid!

Anyone else have a problem making sense of this formula?
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Is this a 150" diagonal or wide? If it's a 150" diagonal you can place your projectors lens anywhere from 174.23" to 356.44" away from the screen to get it to work and if this is a 150" wide screen you can place the projectors lens anywhere from 196.5" to 402" away from the screen to get it to work. You only have 162.25" to work with. You can't use this projector to fill a screen this large with the throw distance that you have. You'll either need to go with a smaller screen or use a conversion lens to shorten your throw.

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Projector distance formula puzzle:

I am looking at trying to us a 150" screen with my 500ES but I have only frontwall to backwall distance of 4.172m (13'8.25") - I realize some of that will be taken up by the screen depth and projector size. So I am trying to use Sony's projection minimum distance formula (Pg 62 in the manual) to see if I can use a 150" screen...but it doesn't work!

According to the Sony manual, for a 16:9 screen, the formula for minimum projector distance (for a 150" screen): L=0.030934xD-0.0434 using metre units. For 150" (3.81m) L come out as .074459m ... stupid!

Anyone else have a problem making sense of this formula?

Try using this - http://www.projectorcentral.com/Sony...ulator-pro.htm

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150" diagonal, what lenses are available to boost it up to 150"?
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Thx for the link. I figure for a 3.9m throw I get a 127" screen (16:9)...might have to do, unless there is an affordable lense to boost it up to 150. The light loss with another lense wont be a problem since the projector is almost too bright.
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150" diagonal, what lenses are available to boost it up to 150"?
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Thx. Seems like quite a range of lenses. I guess I need a wide angle lens. Any idea which would be best to boost a 127" to 150"(diag) with a 3.9m throw that suits attachment to the Sony 500ES?

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Thx. Seems like quite a range of lenses. I guess I need a wide angle lens. Any idea which would be best to boost a 127" to 150"(diag) with a 3.9m throw that suits attachment to the Sony 500ES?
Provide them with all the info on your setup. techsupport@navitar.com

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Brilliant, thanks again
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Hi Fellows,

I recently changed my bulb after 1300h (10 months) and I wonder if somebody got the same experience like me:

I measured the new bulb with the same equipment and settings::

original bulb with 0 hours: 400 lux
new bulb with 0 hours: 310 lux

The bulb is original form Sony Prime support. It is not the first time, that I found that the replacement bulb's are not performing as well as the brand new, which comes with the projector. I saw this behavior on Sony, JVC projects in the past.

Question: What could be the issue? Do the panels really get so fast "older" and lose light performance?
Make sure you did not flip Motionflow to Impulse or Combination. These modes incur brightness loss along the lines of what you describe, about 20%.
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I'm getting ready to upgrade the firmware on my 500es. Do I have to apply each patch individually, or will the last patch be all inclusive?
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If you want a woven AT screen that you will not see from your viewing distance, look at Screen Excellence EN4K.
I want AT but doesn't have to be woven. EN4k has a 1.0 gain. Not sure how much they go for a 138" 2.35 size. I looked at Elite AcousticPro 4k which has 1.1 gain and comes for around 1,600.00 for 138" 2.35.

What is a good gain for a screen of 138" or 145" (my current screen size) considering I sit 12 feet away and use High Lamp for 600ES?
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Oh its a mystery when it comes to AT screen material. I have Seymour XD AT screen with .9 gain. Sound wise, I don't have issues with it but display wise I do. I have a 145" 2.35 screen and I sit 12 feet from screen. Generally the image looks good but when it a scene with bright light, it makes the weave very visible. Seymour charged me extra to cut the material for me at 40 degrees to make sure I don't see any of these effect but I still see them :-(. @Lebob;, how does your screen look with High Lamp on on a bright scene? Does it show any screen effect?
Sorry you are having issues with seeing the weave. I think they say about 12 feet is the minimum. When I test at 12.5' which is my distance it looks like I can't see the weave but only using a 2'x2' sample and who knows with a larger screen.

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I want AT but doesn't have to be woven. EN4k has a 1.0 gain. Not sure how much they go for a 138" 2.35 size. I looked at Elite AcousticPro 4k which has 1.1 gain and comes for around 1,600.00 for 138" 2.35.

What is a good gain for a screen of 138" or 145" (my current screen size) considering I sit 12 feet away and use High Lamp for 600ES?
Thanks
I think we went over this... EN4K is NOT a 1.0 gain screen. I measured it at 0.78. I also measured AcousticPro 4K and likewise it is not even close to 1.1 - I have to check the exact measurement which I don't have handy but it is somewhere around 0.8 to 0.85 if memory serves me correctly. XD for reference I measured around 0.95.

For your screen of 138 or 145" you don't say if that is Wide or Diag, and whether its AR 16:9 or 2.35...... This matters. That being said, I *THINK* you may be ok with the EN4K with the 600ES on high lamp. If you let me know more specifically what size screen and AR I can estimate your ftL.
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Just wanted to update you guys that I finally found 3d Glasses that are compatible with 600es and also have the sides covered. Here is the link
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01...ilpage_o00_s00

I only tested them for 10 minutes so far and during this test, I find them very comfortable to wear. They also block the light from sides which is what I was initially looking for.
Have you tested the glassed further to see if they are comfortable over a couple of hours? I have the original Sony that came with the 600 and they are acceptable and light weight but do not block
side light. I have also tried the Samsung, even lighter than the Sony but also do not block side light. I eventually bought the Xpand X105-RF-X1 and preferred these most. They block the side light
are rechargeable and have super wide 2.2" lens and which is the biggest advantage over the others I believe. Wider is better than taller IMHO .

NOW for the bummer. Both my Xpand X105 glasses broke apart at the nose bridge between the lens . This is a factory defect , both of my pairs are now broken and this happened within two weeks
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BTW, would you mind measuring the lens width and height on the H-Shock lens? There is no measurements on the Amazon site and I cannot find the OEM.
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I'm getting ready to upgrade the firmware on my 500es. Do I have to apply each patch individually, or will the last patch be all inclusive?
Thanks for the reminder, I may have to upgrade the firmware on my 500ES too. I was the first of the lot to receive mine back in October of 2013 and have never done a firmware upgrade
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What should I expect from the upgrade and do I need a hard wired cable to get this done?
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Hi Fellows,

I recently changed my bulb after 1300h (10 months) and I wonder if somebody got the same experience like me:

I measured the new bulb with the same equipment and settings::

original bulb with 0 hours: 400 lux
new bulb with 0 hours: 310 lux

The bulb is original form Sony Prime support. It is not the first time, that I found that the replacement bulb's are not performing as well as the brand new, which comes with the projector. I saw this behavior on Sony, JVC projects in the past.

Question: What could be the issue? Do the panels really get so fast "older" and lose light performance?
Just curious did you measure the light output before the lamp/bulb change and as someone mentioned a few post back did you have motion flow impulse or combination on during the test with the new bulb or with the original if tested?

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I want AT but doesn't have to be woven. EN4k has a 1.0 gain. Not sure how much they go for a 138" 2.35 size. I looked at Elite AcousticPro 4k which has 1.1 gain and comes for around 1,600.00 for 138" 2.35.

What is a good gain for a screen of 138" or 145" (my current screen size) considering I sit 12 feet away and use High Lamp for 600ES?
Thanks
Take those gain numbers with a grain of salt. I don't think there are any woven screens with actual gain above 1.0. The smoother the woven screen, the sharper the image will be.

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Sorry you are having issues with seeing the weave. I think they say about 12 feet is the minimum. When I test at 12.5' which is my distance it looks like I can't see the weave but only using a 2'x2' sample and who knows with a larger screen.



I think we went over this... EN4K is NOT a 1.0 gain screen. I measured it at 0.78. I also measured AcousticPro 4K and likewise it is not even close to 1.1 - I have to check the exact measurement which I don't have handy but it is somewhere around 0.8 to 0.85 if memory serves me correctly. XD for reference I measured around 0.95.

For your screen of 138 or 145" you don't say if that is Wide or Diag, and whether its AR 16:9 or 2.35...... This matters. That being said, I *THINK* you may be ok with the EN4K with the 600ES on high lamp. If you let me know more specifically what size screen and AR I can estimate your ftL.
Thx lovingdvd. I did mention that its a 145" 2.35 screen. Its AT from Seymour and its their Seymour XD material.
Now I wonder what's the gain on my screen since they advertise .9 gain on it. So now I'm assuming its .7 or something close to it?

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I'm sorry what's AR?

Do we know what's a good screen gain for 600ES for such size? I wonder how i'd look if I had a screen with 1.3 gain? Would it be too bright. I was reading on screen material and gains and it seems like that when a screen has a higher gain than 1.0, it will be brighter but then sacrifices the black levels. I searched to see if there is any AT screen with such high gain but then again, is it even worth it to have a screen with such gain?
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Have you tested the glassed further to see if they are comfortable over a couple of hours? I have the original Sony that came with the 600 and they are acceptable and light weight but do not block
side light. I have also tried the Samsung, even lighter than the Sony but also do not block side light. I eventually bought the Xpand X105-RF-X1 and preferred these most. They block the side light
are rechargeable and have super wide 2.2" lens and which is the biggest advantage over the others I believe. Wider is better than taller IMHO .

NOW for the bummer. Both my Xpand X105 glasses broke apart at the nose bridge between the lens . This is a factory defect , both of my pairs are now broken and this happened within two weeks
both at different times . Good news is they have offered to replace but as they are out of stock of the X105's ( funny thing) they are offering the B104 as a replacement. The B104's even in the larger size
have a slightly smaller lens width wise so I'm a little apprehensive.

BTW, would you mind measuring the lens width and height on the H-Shock lens? There is no measurements on the Amazon site and I cannot find the OEM.
Oh man. Sorry to hear that. We (my wife and I) did watch a movie. Unfortunately, we have only 1 so far so she got to wear it. First plus is that it has WAF. She likes the way it looks. She also likes how it fits. She wasn't uncomfortable with the glasses either weight wise. So based on her input, these are good glasses. I tried them for another 30 minutes later and I like them. The side is wide and blocks any light reflection. I have a totally dark room and it helps a lot as well.

So I'd say that these glasses are good to go.
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