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I change my lamps based on foot lamberts, not hours. If the lamp can't put 14 foot lamberts on the screen, I'll replace it. You need a good light meter to tell you how dim the lamp really is.

Agreed...the Sony chap once came over to my place and he used a meter tool to measure the amt of lumen (in ft lambert) churned out from the projector...that time I was having some issue with the IRIS mechanism...causing a significant drop in brightness...the faulty IRIS emits a creaky noise like in the most recent reporting. Sony honoured their warranty and literally changed the entire Optical Engine (OE) block for me FOC as its within the 3 yrs warranty period offered for ES models (at least in Singapore). Fingers crossed, my unit is still doing fine after the change. The ironic part is, I am STILL on my first bulb and there is no sign of dimming occurring As far as I can tell. I watched almost daily for 2hrs (a typical movie) and more over the weekends.


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i went back to the same movies i watched on netflix and they did show up as 4k. I see the display 4k section so not sure what is going on with yours. I had to call netflix right after i changed to include the 4k streaming. it took them a day to reset me. I watched the Chef's show on the same 4k section, just fantastic. I am still trying to get my Amazon working on Nvidia to try thier 4k section out. No success there yet.

anyone tried UltraFlix 4k yet?
I don't know what's going on with mine, It pops up as 4k for a brief moment under Netflix, then I get a message saying there is a problem please choose another title, I plugged my laptop into the Ethernet cable that i'm using for the Nvidia which is plugged into HDMI 2 of the Sony VW600ES and I am getting 75mps download speeds
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Agreed...the Sony chap once came over to my place and he used a meter tool to measure the amt of lumen (in ft lambert) churned out from the projector...that time I was having some issue with the IRIS mechanism...causing a significant drop in brightness...the faulty IRIS emits a creaky noise like in the most recent reporting. Sony honoured their warranty and literally changed the entire Optical Engine (OE) block for me FOC as its within the 3 yrs warranty period offered for ES models (at least in Singapore). Fingers crossed, my unit is still doing fine after the change. The ironic part is, I am STILL on my first bulb and there is no sign of dimming occurring As far as I can tell. I watched almost daily for 2hrs (a typical movie) and more over the weekends.


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Every projector owner should have a light meter. http://www.amazon.com/AEMC-CA813-Fun...rds=aemc+ca813
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I've been meaning to get a light meter as I'd love to see how much mine has dimmed

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I picked up a Dr. Meter for $30 on Amazon. For purposes of just seeing whether or not light output changes, it seems to work fine.
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I picked up a Dr. Meter for $30 on Amazon. For purposes of just seeing whether or not light output changes, it seems to work fine.
That should work fine, but I do like my CA813 ! I had it now through 5 or 6 projectors !

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Every projector owner should have a light meter. http://www.amazon.com/AEMC-CA813-Fun...rds=aemc+ca813
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I don't know what's going on with mine, It pops up as 4k for a brief moment under Netflix, then I get a message saying there is a problem please choose another title, I plugged my laptop into the Ethernet cable that i'm using for the Nvidia which is plugged into HDMI 2 of the Sony VW600ES and I am getting 75mps download speeds
ok, try loading up Utube, go to 4k video and switch to the nerdstat where a osd will pop up with some stats. Ensure your nvidia is configured for 4k 60 fps. then upload one of the utube videos that are 4k. it should show you are recieving 4k and download speeds. if that check out, get with Netflix. if you cant get the utube going, check your cable. I had an issue with my modem hence went to direct ethernet connection, and bam 85 mps.
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ok, try loading up Utube, go to 4k video and switch to the nerdstat where a osd will pop up with some stats. Ensure your nvidia is configured for 4k 60 fps. then upload one of the utube videos that are 4k. it should show you are recieving 4k and download speeds. if that check out, get with Netflix. if you cant get the utube going, check your cable. I had an issue with my modem hence went to direct ethernet connection, and bam 85 mps.
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Thanks for that, I did not know about nerdstat... Yes it's showing 3840x2160, looks great through the Sony!!!
Netflix only works sometimes when connected to Sony 4K input 2
Shield is hard wired, when I tested it was getting 75mps
When I check the network speed thru Netflix it's showing 20mps
I don't know why it's such a drastic change between the two.
At least I know now it's not the Sony projector after trying your suggestion. Thank You
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Thanks for that, I did not know about nerdstat... Yes it's showing 3840x2160, looks great through the Sony!!!
Netflix only works sometimes when connected to Sony 4K input 2
Shield is hard wired, when I tested it was getting 75mps
When I check the network speed thru Netflix it's showing 20mps
I don't know why it's such a drastic change between the two.
At least I know now it's not the Sony projector after trying your suggestion. Thank You
excellent, hope you get it going, there is some good 4k content and getting better
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I wish I did get a light meter from the start as mine has over 4000hrs on it now. I just ordered the CA813 locally as Amazon wont ship that here.
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I wish I did get a light meter from the start as mine has over 4000hrs on it now. I just ordered the CA813 locally as Amazon wont ship that here.
4000+!!! Wow...how's the brightness at this point? Any drastic dimming? I thought my 2200+ hrs was a lot. :P
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My throw is only 14ft and the brightness is still great. I started off with the brightness at 20% as I use a Studiotek 130 screen in a black room. After about 2000hrs you couldn't see very dark scenes. I bumped it up to 50% and it has been fine ever since.
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My throw is only 14ft and the brightness is still great. I started off with the brightness at 20% as I use a Studiotek 130 screen in a black room. After about 2000hrs you couldn't see very dark scenes. I bumped it up to 50% and it has been fine ever since.
Sony make some of the best lamp modules for their projectors. I have a very bad encounter with JVC lamp... But I really miss the inky black levels of my JVC DiLA projector. Can't have the best of both worlds I guess.

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My throw is only 14ft and the brightness is still great. I started off with the brightness at 20% as I use a Studiotek 130 screen in a black room. After about 2000hrs you couldn't see very dark scenes. I bumped it up to 50% and it has been fine ever since.
The brightness control on a projector doesn't control the brightness of the projector, it sets the black level. The contrast control sets the white level. The only thing that controls the overall brightness without ruining the contrast of the projector is the iris or lamp mode. Just FYI.
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Sony make some of the best lamp modules for their projectors. I have a very bad encounter with JVC lamp... But I really miss the inky black levels of my JVC DiLA projector. Can't have the best of both worlds I guess.

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So far the new lamp on my RS600 has held up quite well. Then again, so has the lamp in my VW600 !
I bet the latest models from JVC DiLA projectors should be better than the earlier model when 3D was just introduced in the mkt. I was a HD100 user and the lamp module back then didn't give me much issue. It was rated 800 lux... Hence u would need a batch be to make this baby shine. I m tempted to get back to DiLA... The "dark" side is strong...but I m resisted by the lack of true 4k resolution in their new line of projectors. My wishlist is for JVC to give the consumers the much sought after 4k panel with all the bells and whistles of the lastest hdmi 2.0a for HDR and please throw in an affordable laser based projector if u can... That will make my eyes brim with happy tears. LOL...

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The brightness control on a projector doesn't control the brightness of the projector, it sets the black level. The contrast control sets the white level. The only thing that controls the overall brightness without ruining the contrast of the projector is the iris or lamp mode. Just FYI.
The Iris aperture aka also "Brightness" control is the one that Kris is referring to... Just in case someone ask...

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The Iris aperture aka also "Brightness" control is the one that Kris is referring to
IMO, the manual iris control should not have been labeled the "Brightness" control. The first time I saw that made me wonder if it were in fact the "Black Level" control so I adjusted it through its entire range and could see the iris close and open. Iris Aperture or Iris or Aperture would be preferable to Brightness.
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IMO, the manual iris control should not have been labeled the "Brightness" control. The first time I saw that made me wonder if it were in fact the "Black Level" control so I adjusted it through its entire range and could see the iris close and open. Iris Aperture or Iris or Aperture would be preferable to Brightness.
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Yesterday afternoon I changed the original bulb in my VPL-VW600ES. I bought the bulb from AV Science and I had 1,990 hours on the original bulb purchased with the projector in March 2014, exactly 2 years ago.


Wow, the picture is now much brighter! I may have to invest in a light meter so I can see how the picture dims over time. I will change the bulb every 24 months or 2,000 hours.
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Yesterday afternoon I changed the original bulb in my VPL-VW600ES. I bought the bulb from AV Science and I had 1,990 hours on the original bulb purchased with the projector in March 2014, exactly 2 years ago.


Wow, the picture is now much brighter! I may have to invest in a light meter so I can see how the picture dims over time. I will change the bulb every 24 months or 2,000 hours.
Light meters are handy. If you ever get a bad lamp that's still under warranty, you'll be able to produce actual numbers to back up your request for a replacement lamp. That alone could pay for a light meter. And, it really helps to know how well ( or not so well ) your lamp is aging.

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Sony make some of the best lamp modules for their projectors. I have a very bad encounter with JVC lamp... But I really miss the inky black levels of my JVC DiLA projector. Can't have the best of both worlds I guess.

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We don't have much data yet, but over on the 2016 JVC Lamp Life thread, the new JVC bulbs seem to be better. One guy (famous reviewer) had weirdness with brightness bouncing all over before settling into a nice stable (and bright) mode. I had 30fL when new and the same 30fL at 176 hours. That looks like the best performer so far. So... I think the jury is still out, though it looks like it could be good.

I know this is OT here, but you said you missed the "inky" blacks. The JVC does have it's share of small problems, though... bright corners, black crush, streaks in credits, slow sync times. But none were a deal breaker to me. Every projector has its issues.
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We don't have much data yet, but over on the 2016 JVC Lamp Life thread, the new JVC bulbs seem to be better. One guy (famous reviewer) had weirdness with brightness bouncing all over before settling into a nice stable (and bright) mode. I had 30fL when new and the same 30fL at 176 hours. That looks like the best performer so far. So... I think the jury is still out, though it looks like it could be good.

I know this is OT here, but you said you missed the "inky" blacks. The JVC does have it's share of small problems, though... bright corners, black crush, streaks in credits, slow sync times. But none were a deal breaker to me. Every projector has its issues.
Yeap... I m aware of those u mentioned. Agreed not a deal breaker. To add on to the list, the color fidelity tends to go out after 3 mths or less and requires recalibration. Grayscale isn't the best which contributes to the shift in colors. Overall not consistent. Again not sure whether due to the mercury lamp or the panel itself.

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but I m resisted by the lack of true 4k resolution in their new line of projectors.
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I'm really disappointed in JVC's 4k marketing, since they're only giving us 4 megapixels instead of 4k's true 8 megapixels. But don't sell it short if you really love JVC's blacks. A group of 4 experts compared a Sony 4k with JVC's eShift and had to freeze frame and pixel-peep from 2 feet away to see a difference.

I know I posted this a week ago, but they really were blown away by 4k content on the JVC's. Of course, with 4k and UHD, other problems abound, so it's not a free ride by any means.
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I'm really disappointed in JVC's 4k marketing, since they're only giving us 4 megapixels instead of 4k's true 8 megapixels. But don't sell it short if you really love JVC's blacks. A group of 4 experts compared a Sony 4k with JVC's eShift and had to freeze frame and pixel-peep from 2 feet away to see a difference.

I know I posted this a week ago, but they really were blown away by 4k content on the JVC's. Of course, with 4k and UHD, other problems abound, so it's not a free ride by any means.
I have personally auditioned the eshift 3 when it first came out and frankly I m not impressed. What's the latest iteration for eshift now? Eshift 4 perhaps? If so, I can't comment since I haven't take a look at it. There is a big difference if u ask me... I m sure the experts have their own reasons in stating that there is negligible difference in 4k materials when compared between a true 4k native panel projector vs a eshift based JVC projector. But I believed my own set of eyes.

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I have personally auditioned the eshift 3 when it first came out and frankly I m not impressed. What's the latest iteration for eshift now? Eshift 4 perhaps? If so, I can't comment since I haven't take a look at it. There is a big difference if u ask me... I m sure the experts have their own reasons in stating that there is negligible difference in 4k materials when compared between a true 4k native panel projector vs a eshift based JVC projector. But I believed my own set of eyes.

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I think the "new" thing with e-Shift 4 is that it uses the extra resolution provided by a 4k signal to light up the shifted pixels. I don't think they did that last model. I think they took a 1080 version of the 4k signal and e-shifted it up. Now it's kind of like interlaced TV, only it happens much faster.

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I think the "new" thing with e-Shift 4 is that it uses the extra resolution provided by a 4k signal to light up the shifted pixels. I don't think they did that last model. I think they took a 1080 version of the 4k signal and e-shifted it up. Now it's kind of like interlaced TV, only it happens much faster.

We should probably take this private, unless we're done. I'm sure guys here for Sony aren't appreciating this. Sorry, guys!
Thanks bro. Noted your comments. Appreciate your views. Yep... Let's stop here.

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VW600 vs VW665

I spent way too much time in the 665 thread trying to see how it stacks up against the 600 which is what I have , well 500 here in Canada . Anyway, I never did find the shootout between the two I was hoping for. From all that I have read it doesn't seem to be a huge leap ahead of the 600 and the HDR not overly impressive. Other than the contrast gain, there doesn't seem to be a lot of reason why I would want to consider an upgrade. I'm sure it's been discussed and some have made that leap, just wondering what is the consensus ?


I have just short of 700 hours on my 600 and to be honest the projector still blows my mind. With little 4K content available , I'm not about to jump on the HDR bandwagon until some of the other issues are worked out. With plenty of other 4K projectors on the horizon I'm probably going to wait and see how this all plays out by late fall or spring 2017.
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I spent way too much time in the 665 thread trying to see how it stacks up against the 600 which is what I have , well 500 here in Canada . Anyway, I never did find the shootout between the two I was hoping for. From all that I have read it doesn't seem to be a huge leap ahead of the 600 and the HDR not overly impressive. Other than the contrast gain, there doesn't seem to be a lot of reason why I would want to consider an upgrade. I'm sure it's been discussed and some have made that leap, just wondering what is the consensus ?


I have just short of 700 hours on my 600 and to be honest the projector still blows my mind. With little 4K content available , I'm not about to jump on the HDR bandwagon until some of the other issues are worked out. With plenty of other 4K projectors on the horizon I'm probably going to wait and see how this all plays out by late fall or spring 2017.
100% on everything you said. I even have exact same hours on my 600. Many have migrated to JVC RS600 but I'm sitting tight with SONY until next iteration or an affordable ($10-15k) 4K DLP.
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