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What was the result of 4K Sammy vs 1080 using the Oppo 103 and RS600 ?

Did you put the HDfury last in the chain before your projectors or did you feed it to your Denon 7200. I have the Denon 5200 which is not compliant so I have no choice to feed the signal from that to the HDFury. Then again, I don't have a 4K player other than my FMP-X1 which is not used any more. Haven't even tried the Lumagen either, that has to happen soon , still waiting on 4K cables and bad weather to force me back inside.
I have both the Samsung 4K player and the Oppo going through the X7200WA, and feeding the HD Fury, then using that to split the signal to both projectors. So far it's working great !

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I have both the Samsung 4K player and the Oppo going through the X7200WA, and feeding the HD Fury, then using that to split the signal to both projectors. So far it's working great !
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Figured the HD Fury would be last in the chain , kind of expected that. I'll feed all the current a/v devices through the 5200 and then into the Fury input 1 and Second input reserve for 4K from the Lumagen and player.
Even though I don't have a 4K player I need to hook everything up for warranty purposes and test it. Should have bought the 7200 but the 5200 was 1/3 the price on a greatdeal at the time. My logic was the Atmos receivers would be available 13.1 level by now and I'd just move the 5200 to the family room and upgrade.Two years later and still no change, I even have the speakers wires pre-installed . Guess I was just a little premature .

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Figured the HD Fury would be last in the chain , kind of expected that. I'll feed all the current a/v devices through the 5200 and then into the Fury input 1 and Second input reserve for 4K from the Lumagen and player.
Even though I don't have a 4K player I need to hook everything up for warranty purposes and test it. Should have bought the 7200 but the 5200 was 1/3 the price on a greatdeal at the time. My logic was the Atmos receivers would be available 13.1 level by now and I'd just move the 5200 to the family room and upgrade.Two years later and still no change, I even have the speakers wires pre-installed . Guess I was just a little premature .
Just flip the 5200 on Ebay and get an X7200WA !

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Just flip the 5200 on Ebay and get an X7200WA !

I'm afraid to buy the X7200WA now, if I do, a 13.1.4 will be available within the week.

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I'm afraid to buy the X7200WA now, if I do, a 13.1.4 will be available within the week.
Doubtful. It will take just as long as affordable bright laser 4K projectors.
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Doubtful. It will take just as long as affordable bright laser 4K projectors.
WHaaaaaaat! I thought these true 4K laser projectors would be available in the fall for $5000, you must be kidding.

I read not long ago that the Denon X7200WA was going to be unchanged this fall so guess I'll have to wait another year or bite the bullet . One way or another I will be compliant
by fall be that faux or real.

I received Deadpool on Tuesday, my very first 4K BD, rots me I do not have a player. Bloody movie was so engaging I didn't even think about the PQ 4K HDR vs HD . Funny enough
though, isn't that the way it's supposed to be ?

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Hi all , what is the main difference 500es model for 600es , is the same projector?

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Hi all , what is the main difference 500es model for 600es , is the same projector?

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Yes same projector.
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600 has the hand picked parts, so native contrast is rated 30,000 higher and 100 more lumens. 600 also has 5 year warranty, 500 has 3 year warranty. Other than that, they are the same.

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600 has the hand picked parts, so native contrast is rated 30,000 higher and 100 more lumens. 600 also has 5 year warranty, 500 has 3 year warranty. Other than that, they are the same.
I think he was asking about the VW500 vs VW600 not the RS500 vs the RS600 .
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I think he was asking about the VW500 vs VW600 not the RS500 vs the RS600 .
Mike missed the "es " on the end. Decided to watch a bit of " The Pacific " last night, in honor of Memorial Day, on my VW600(es ). Still throws a great image !

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Mike missed the "es " on the end. Decided to watch a bit of " The Pacific " last night, in honor of Memorial Day, on my VW600(es ). Still throws a great image !
I put the 4K Lumagen Pro 4440 in my chain last night and watched bits of the Revenant . All I can say is WOW! Right out of the box I noticed improvements with the image is, especially in dark areas.
Can't wait until I have a change to play with this puppy, if anything I 'll have to tone down the sharpness a tad .

I was meaning to have a look at the Revenant again anyway after someone posted screen pictures of 4K HDR vs 1080P . The 1080P screen pics others posted showed a much bluer hue overall whereas the HDR appeared more natural . What I saw last night looked just much more like the HDR IMHO , didn't have that over-saturated blue look at all . I wonder, is it possible to get any better than this ?

I think my contrast actually improved, isn't that something. Have Jim at Lumagen to than for that I suppose.
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I put the 4K Lumagen Pro 4440 in my chain last night and watched bits of the Revenant . All I can say is WOW! Right out of the box I noticed improvements with the image is, especially in dark areas.
Can't wait until I have a change to play with this puppy, if anything I 'll have to tone down the sharpness a tad .

I was meaning to have a look at the Revenant again anyway after someone posted screen pictures of 4K HDR vs 1080P . The 1080P screen pics others posted showed a much bluer hue overall whereas the HDR appeared more natural . What I saw last night looked just much more like the HDR IMHO , didn't have that over-saturated blue look at all . I wonder, is it possible to get any better than this ?

I think my contrast actually improved, isn't that something. Have Jim at Lumagen to than for that I suppose.
When I did my comparisons it was using the Bluray disc for the 1080p source.

You may have seen other comparisons where they used the UHD disc in 1080p mode to do the comparisons.

Simple fact is, the BR and the UHD disc have two completely different colour grades.

While you say it looks more natural on the UHD disc thats really your take on it. IMO the BR is the better colour grade, its actually 'stylised' and its also exactly what you saw in the theatre if you went there. Films have been traditionally graded a bit blue in night time scenes for decades now.

If Mad Max was color graded 'natural' it would look like crap. Lets not forget film is an art-form and colour grading is part of that.

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When I did my comparisons it was using the Bluray disc for the 1080p source.

You may have seen other comparisons where they used the UHD disc in 1080p mode to do the comparisons.

Simple fact is, the BR and the UHD disc have two completely different colour grades.

While you say it looks more natural on the UHD disc thats really your take on it. IMO the BR is the better colour grade, its actually 'stylised' and its also exactly what you saw in the theatre if you went there. Films have been traditionally graded a bit blue in night time scenes for decades now.

If Mad Max was color graded 'natural' it would look like crap. Lets not forget film is an art-form and colour grading is part of that.

I'll have another look tomorrow night, all I remember is the reflections from really black objects in dark scenes had an annoying blue hue.
Didn't see this movie in the theater and the only copy I can view presently is a 1080p up-scaled copy. Liked what I was seeing last night
out of the box but tonight I have things in a mess. Going through the Lumagen learning curve for the short term and I've kinda messed things
up , it now looks worst not better.

My wife wanted to relax and watch a movie so I threw in the movie Chappie . The picture was really awful with the adjustments I have set at
present but nothing could be as awful as this movie. I think I've managed to get the two worst movies of the year behind me, Point Break and
tonight Chappie.

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I'll have another look tomorrow night, all I remember is the reflections from really black objects in dark scenes had an annoying blue hue.
Didn't see this movie in the theater and the only copy I can view presently is a 1080p up-scaled copy. Liked what I was seeing last night
out of the box but tonight I have things in a mess. Going through the Lumagen learning curve for the short term and I've kinda messed things
up , it now looks worst not better.

My wife wanted to relax and watch a movie so I threw in the movie Chappie . The picture was really awful with the adjustments I have set at
present but nothing could be as awful as this movie. I think I've managed to get the two worst movies of the year behind me, Point Break and
tonight Chappie.
Really? I thought Chappie was pretty good
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Really? I thought Chappie was pretty good
Maybe my expectations were set too high, or maybe it was the negative vibe my wife was giving me rubbed off. Maybe I expected more from the likes of
Hugh Jackman and Sigourney Weaver, what ever it was definitely did not make my A list , even B list for this past year. Maybe if I watch it a few times it
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Maybe my expectations were set too high, or maybe it was the negative vibe my wife was giving me rubbed off. Maybe I expected more from the likes of
Hugh Jackman and Sigourney Weaver, what ever it was definitely did not make my A list , even B list for this past year. Maybe if I watch it a few times it
will grow on me, this could be one of those movies .
A film should not be like brussels sprouts that you need to keep trying before you accept them If you did't like it the first time, I doubt you'll ever going to truly enjoy it no matter how many viewings.
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A film should not be like brussels sprouts that you need to keep trying before you accept them If you did't like it the first time, I doubt you'll ever going to truly enjoy it no matter how many viewings.

Can't really agree on that , I didn't really like the latest Star Wars movie, I've watched this four times now and I like it more each time. Same with Revenant, I like it more with each viewing. I also did not like Brussel sprouts as a kid now love em. I all fairness, I don't think I could watch Chappie or Point Break enough to come around, maybe copious amounts of alcohol would lower my inhabitations enough. I don't need any stimulants to know the picture on a 2 1/2 year old Sony VW600ES is incredible, even made better with the Lumagen Pro.

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Can't really agree on that , I didn't really like the latest Star Wars movie, I've watched this four times now and I like it more each time. Same with Revenant, I like it more with each viewing. I also did not like Brussel sprouts as a kid now love em. I all fairness, I don't think I could watch Chappie or Point Break enough to come around, maybe copious amounts of alcohol would lower my inhabitations enough. I don't need any stimulants to know the picture on a 2 1/2 year old Sony VW600ES is incredible, even made better with the Lumagen Pro.


Chappie is not a good film.

Elysium is not a good film.

District 9 IS a good film.

In my opinion, Neill Blomkamp should stay the hell away from the Alien franchise.
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Chappie is not a good film.

Elysium is not a good film.

District 9 IS a good film.

In my opinion, Neill Blomkamp should stay the hell away from the Alien franchise.
We're getting way off track from this thread, but I thought all 3 had an original approach to the subject matter, and well crafted.
As roxiedog13 mentioned for his 600ES, the picture on my 300ES is at times outstanding, however, not sure how much better it would be with a 4 $ figured Lumen Pro.
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We're getting way off track from this thread, but I thought all 3 had an original approach to the subject matter, and well crafted.
As roxiedog13 mentioned for his 600ES, the picture on my 300ES is at times outstanding, however, not sure how much better it would be with a 4 $ figured Lumen Pro.
The Lumagen is a purchase for future use really. I've never had access to a professional calibrator and my VW600 has never been professionally calibrated. Figured I would rather invest in something that is future proofed rather than spend one third now and then have to do that again.

The Lumagen will give the VW600 some extended life by allowing Rec. 2020 and HDR mapping . If I keep the VW600, upgrade temporary or wait another two years to replace the VW600 then I'm set
for the calibration side of this process .

The Lumagen no-ring scaling is superior to that of the VW600 ,so will enjoy that now. It's by no means a revolutionary step forward, our projectors are already fantastic as is. Mostly I am looking forward to the 4913 point CMS color 3D LUT and 21 point grey-scale calibration I can now perform , realistically more curious than need to be honest. Sony was always known for being fantastic OOTB will be interesting to see how mine stacks up.

I didn't pay full pop either, I was fortunate enough to take advantage of the early discount which was quite substantial . The law of diminishing returns certainly applies here but hey, we could all get 80% of the performance for home theater with a HW55 it's a balance of budget and interest, unique for each and every one of us. No buyers remorse yet, then again, the buying is not quite done.

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Seems like the optical block is starting to fail. Call your dealer and get it sent in for repair.
Just like to update the status.

The VW500ES was sent back to Sony repairs centre.

It was fixed without any change in parts nor component. The technician just said it is fixed. Guess it may be due to some loosen parts.

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Does anyone have a link or copy of the Sony projector calibration pro software they would share. i have the chromapure software but this software is a little more user friendly, specific to SOny projectors and helps by allowing computer control of the projector settings that are a little harder to do manually.
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Hi Guys I just picked up my 600es from Magnolia it was in there Demo Room they gave me projector and new bulb so I took a very nice deal !

Anyway can I ask you guys to tell me what software version are you guys running in your projector menu on mine it says 1.201 A

Is this the latest ?

Thank you guys so much !!!!
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Hi Guys I just picked up my 600es from Magnolia it was in there Demo Room they gave me projector and new bulb so I took a very nice deal !

Anyway can I ask you guys to tell me what software version are you guys running in your projector menu on mine it says 1.201 A

Is this the latest ?

Thank you guys so much !!!!
I have a very late build VW500ES (same projector as yours). And I have 1.200 A. I have never seen a later firmware ... although yours may be very, very mildly updated (I had never heard of a 1.201 A).
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I have a very late build VW500ES (same projector as yours). And I have 1.200 A. I have never seen a later firmware ... although yours may be very, very mildly updated (I had never heard of a 1.201 A).
Where to download the firmware ver 1.200A for VW500ES? Mine at 1.100. Any specifics on the changelog? I have read this so-called 1.200A firmware since late last year...but there is no sight of a softcopy to allow existing 1.100 users like myself to perform the update.
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Thank you for the reply's I can only assume there Sony Rep updated the unit regularly thats why I have a newer Firmware.

As far as where to get it I have Zero Idea !!!!

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Is it possible to see the received color space (RGB, YCbC) from sources on the VW500? I only see under information the received frame rate but not which color space will be used!?
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Where to download the firmware ver 1.200A for VW500ES? Mine at 1.100. Any specifics on the changelog? I have read this so-called 1.200A firmware since late last year...but there is no sight of a softcopy to allow existing 1.100 users like myself to perform the update.
I have never seen anything confirmed - but from a post a good while back in this thread -- someone theorized that these later builds had an updated optical block that used firmware 1.200A. No idea what it does (if anything) - but I have never seen the firmware available online.

Update -- see post #4803 from member cischico for source.

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I have never seen anything confirmed - but from a post a good while back in this thread -- someone theorized that these later builds had an updated optical block that used firmware 1.200A. No idea what it does (if anything) - but I have never seen the firmware available online.
Thanks for the confirmation.

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