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So does the 600es not support HDR ? Pairing it with the Samsung k8500 4K player and I am getting an HDR error. Player ran straight Into hdmi 2 input. Also not seeing the HDR badge on the pause screen like people see with the new update.
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So does the 600es not support HDR ? Pairing it with the Samsung k8500 4K player and I am getting an HDR error. Player ran straight Into hdmi 2 input. Also not seeing the HDR badge on the pause screen like people see with the new update.
No - the 500ES/600ES do not support HDR.
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So when paired with the Samsung 4K player it will only display in 1080p? When I set the player to 2160 video doesn't display. Kinda disappointed.
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So when paired with the Samsung 4K player it will only display in 1080p? When I set the player to 2160 video doesn't display. Kinda disappointed.
I don't have one, but understand it will play 4K from the Samsung.
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Is there any way to verify like you can with sound decoding on a pre/pro?
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Is there any way to verify like you can with sound decoding on a pre/pro?
Check the info on screen. It tells you what its playing, lamp hrs....
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So when paired with the Samsung 4K player it will only display in 1080p? When I set the player to 2160 video doesn't display. Kinda disappointed.
I am not sure about your setup, but the VPL-VW500ES/600ES will display 2160p with the Samsung UHD player on HDMI 2. It just won't do HDR.
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It's displaying 3840x2160/24p. Shouldn't it be 4096 or is that bc I don't have HDR? Please excuse my ignorance I appreciate you guys helping me out.
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It's displaying 3840x2160/24p. Shouldn't it be 4096 or is that bc I don't have HDR? Please excuse my ignorance I appreciate you guys helping me out.
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3840x2160/24p is correct for feature film UHD source material from a UHD Blu-Ray player.
Although per Sony's specifications, the projector's SXRD chipset has a native horizontal resolution of 4096 ("4K") pixels, the UHD source material is still "only" 3840 pixels in width.
The projector will allow you to scale 3840 pixels to fill the chip width of 4096 pixels.
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Anyone using their Sony with the Panasonic UB900 with good results? About to purchase the UB900, just wanted to know if there are any problems etc. Will I atleast enjoy 2160p 8 bit? rec709?
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This line of projectors (I have the 350ES) plays 4k24p, non-hdr, 709 8-bit just fine; at least mine does. It works with the Philips and the Samsung. I haven't tried the Panasonic since it isn't available yet in the States.
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This line of projectors (I have the 350ES) plays 4k24p, non-hdr, 709 8-bit just fine; at least mine does. It works with the Philips and the Samsung. I haven't tried the Panasonic since it isn't available yet in the States.
Ok thanks.

I suppose it will do the same. Also:

When connected to a device or terminal that supports
4K (50p/60p) 4:2:0 (8bit) and lower, this unit plays back
50p/60p content by applying Dynamic Range Conversion*2
to its HDR signals to output them

*2 Dynamic Range Conversion is a function that converts
HDR video signals into video signals suited to TVs that do
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So does the 600es not support HDR ? Pairing it with the Samsung k8500 4K player and I am getting an HDR error. Player ran straight Into hdmi 2 input. Also not seeing the HDR badge on the pause screen like people see with the new update.
It works well with an HD Fury Integral converting the HDR to SDR BT2020. I use the same setting on it that I use with my JVC RS600. You might consider picking one up. Read more under video processors.

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Ok thanks.

I suppose it will do the same. Also:

When connected to a device or terminal that supports
4K (50p/60p) 4:2:0 (8bit) and lower, this unit plays back
50p/60p content by applying Dynamic Range Conversion*2
to its HDR signals to output them

*2 Dynamic Range Conversion is a function that converts
HDR video signals into video signals suited to TVs that do
not support HDR input.
These projectors support 4k24p 4:2:2 and 4:2:0 10 and 12 bit so if the Panasonic will output this you will gain that advantage. It appears all the current UHD players will convert HDR to SDR. It is more a question of how well they handle BT 2020 to 709 and what bit depth they will put out when the sink (display) does not support BT 2020 and HDR that people are going back and forth on.
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These projectors support 4k24p 4:2:2 and 4:2:0 10 and 12 bit so if the Panasonic will output this you will gain that advantage. It appears all the current UHD players will convert HDR to SDR. It is more a question of how well they handle BT 2020 to 709 and what bit depth they will put out when the sink (display) does not support BT 2020 and HDR that people are going back and forth on.
Not sure that it will. As I read it, it says 8 bit 4:2:0? I've been going through the manual, but very little about this part, just what I quoted here.
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These projectors support 4k24p 4:2:2 and 4:2:0 10 and 12 bit so if the Panasonic will output this you will gain that advantage. It appears all the current UHD players will convert HDR to SDR. It is more a question of how well they handle BT 2020 to 709 and what bit depth they will put out when the sink (display) does not support BT 2020 and HDR that people are going back and forth on.
The actual video on the disc is encoded at 10bit 4:2:0 so anything past that is just padded information. There really isn't anything to be gained even if your display can accept it.
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The actual video on the disc is encoded at 10bit 4:2:0 so anything past that is just padded information. There really isn't anything to be gained even if your display can accept it.
My new 150" screen will soon be able to tell me if the 2160p is better - I best get a player and some movies
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My new 150" screen will soon be able to tell me if the 2160p is better - I best get a player and some movies

Joe Kane has had a few articles on the subject. His professional opinion is that at least a 10 foot wide screen is the beginning point to fully see all the benefit that 4K has to offer, as long as you're within an appropriate seated distance. A lot of members here have screens this large and bigger. You should have no issue seeing an advantage with 4K material. Though, my post had nothing to do with UHD BD being better than regular 1080p BD.
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Joe Kane has had a few articles on the subject. His professional opinion is that at least a 10 foot wide screen is the beginning point to fully see all the benefit that 4K has to offer, as long as you're within an appropriate seated distance. A lot of members here have screens this large and bigger. You should have no issue seeing an advantage with 4K material.
Thanks for that! I'm at 1.2 x screenwidth - I just finished a remodel and made a 16:9 screen that will be masked for scope 95% of the time, but can open up for the few movies that require it.
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Not sure that it will. As I read it, it says 8 bit 4:2:0? I've been going through the manual, but very little about this part, just what I quoted here.
Check to see whether there are asterisks and they are applying this restriction to anything over 2160/30p. The 350 manual is pretty clear about 8-bit only for 2160/50p and 2160/60p. This corresponds to what Sony's dealer tech support told me as well.
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The actual video on the disc is encoded at 10bit 4:2:0 so anything past that is just padded information. There really isn't anything to be gained even if your display can accept it.
I understand this. It isn't that I want it, its what these players are putting out. They upscale (or downscale such as 1080p 12 bit) to 4:4:4 or 4:2:2 12 bit. Maybe this is a good thing visually, I don't know, but it means I lose the benefit of 10 bit as my projector can't take 4:4:4 10 bit or 4:2:2 10 or 12 bit at 2160/60p and I can't find a way to select 2160/24p 4:2:2 (or 4:2:0) 10 bit which would work just fine for me.
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Just hooked up the Panasonic UB900 to my Sony 500ES. Says 4:2:2 12 bit as I recall SDR 709.....appears to be what it's outputting. I can make a screen capture of it later.

I compared a few scenes in Madmax.

My HTPC setup is:

Jriver with madvr(GTX980) + darbee.

It takes a while to switch between the sources so it's a bit hard, but I'm going to say that jriver + madvr + darbee wins at these initial observations. I'll have my wife look at it later without telling her what is what and she can call a winner!

Since I am not getting WCG or HDR I am really just looking for details and sharpness...

A little dissapointed, but also very happy that Jriver + madvr(GTX980) + darbee just looks fantastic!

I have tested regular bluray player against madvr + darbee and it is a lot better, so I knew I was seing a good picture already in terms of sharpness, but I was hoping for a little more. Perhaps Madmax isn't a good showcase for sharpness?
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Perhaps Madmax isn't a good showcase for sharpness?
It was finished at 2K so the UHD BD is just an upscale. 4K finished UHD BD list here. Some are saying Sicario 4K is one of the best disc out.
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It was finished at 2K so the UHD BD is just an upscale. 4K finished UHD BD list here. Some are saying Sicario 4K is one of the best disc out.
Yep - I will order some more disc today and test by tuesday - haven't given up entirely, but so far the madvr + darbee combo is hard to beat on the 500ES - atleast to my eyes.
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Just hooked up the Panasonic UB900 to my Sony 500ES. Says 4:2:2 12 bit as I recall SDR 709.....appears to be what it's outputting. I can make a screen capture of it later.

I compared a few scenes in Madmax.

My HTPC setup is:

Jriver with madvr(GTX980) + darbee.

It takes a while to switch between the sources so it's a bit hard, but I'm going to say that jriver + madvr + darbee wins at these initial observations. I'll have my wife look at it later without telling her what is what and she can call a winner!

Since I am not getting WCG or HDR I am really just looking for details and sharpness...

A little dissapointed, but also very happy that Jriver + madvr(GTX980) + darbee just looks fantastic!

I have tested regular bluray player against madvr + darbee and it is a lot better, so I knew I was seing a good picture already in terms of sharpness, but I was hoping for a little more. Perhaps Madmax isn't a good showcase for sharpness?
As far as I know - Darbee won't pass a 4K signal - do you have a newer version?
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As far as I know - Darbee won't pass a 4K signal - do you have a newer version?
I am using it on the PC - so PC is outputting 1080p but with Madvr on "max" and then darbee before the Sony and then letting the Sony upscale. I've tried sending 4k from the PC to the Sony - looks good, but I prefer the 1080p + darbee + sony upscale.
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Just hooked up the Panasonic UB900 to my Sony 500ES. Says 4:2:2 12 bit as I recall SDR 709.....appears to be what it's outputting. I can make a screen capture of it later.

I compared a few scenes in Madmax.

My HTPC setup is:

Jriver with madvr(GTX980) + darbee.

It takes a while to switch between the sources so it's a bit hard, but I'm going to say that jriver + madvr + darbee wins at these initial observations. I'll have my wife look at it later without telling her what is what and she can call a winner!

Since I am not getting WCG or HDR I am really just looking for details and sharpness...

A little dissapointed, but also very happy that Jriver + madvr(GTX980) + darbee just looks fantastic!

I have tested regular bluray player against madvr + darbee and it is a lot better, so I knew I was seing a good picture already in terms of sharpness, but I was hoping for a little more. Perhaps Madmax isn't a good showcase for sharpness?
Probably kind why I haven't bothered to take my UB900 to where I've got my VW500, I'm more interested in running it with my RS600 in my HT and whatever I end up with be it a 5000 or next possible JVC's next offering if it stacks up. I'll be saying goodbye to the 500 in the mediaroom with the place I just sold it looks like. My fav viewing with that system was with HTPC, MadVR, etc.
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