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I just checked the bulb hours and I'm now at 5323hrs and still going strong. I really wonder how many hours I will get out of this bulb.

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I just purchased a panny ub900 and also still figuring out the setup on the new to me vw600es.
is it correct the the 600 is hdcp 2.2 and hdmi 2.0.
can the 600 accept a full 4k signal from the panny bluray?
after some fiddling with the settings, i finally got panny to output a 4k/60p signal to the 600es.
the panny setting color mode is YCbCr(4:2:2) and deep color and HDR are off.
the HDMI video out signal is 4K/60p SDR.BT.709 YCbCr4:2:0/8 bit.
i will work more with it tomorrow to figure out other settings that work.
the picture is great and does appear better than the 600es upscale of 1080p.
i need to get a few more 4K discs that are mastered in 4K to compare the picture. my screen is 10' wide.

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I hooked up my new Panny UHD player to my 500ES last night. I was unable to do an a/b comparison to the Oppo 103D that I had been using. First glance I didn't think that it made much difference. I watched Allegiant as a first flick. I spent much of the movie tweaking. As time went on the picture got better. First, the Panny has secondary audio ON as a default. had to work my way in and turn that off in order to get TruHD working.
Ssounds good as one would expect from a digital bitstream transfer allowing my Arcam AVR700 to do the decoding. I realized after about 20 minutes that I had to turn the reality creation off to allow the 500 to show the pic that it was being fed from the Panny. The Panny has a setting that allows you to change increase/decrease the contrast to more accurately reflect HDR. Of course the HDR will not pass as the 500ES is not capable of accepting that feed. increasing the contrast through this slider will allow the SDR feed to more accurately reflect the way it would look if the display was showing HDR. The cost is an overall darker picture. I ended up with a picture that was pleasant but I couldn't say that it was significantly better than allowing the 500ES to upscale 1080p from the Oppo. That may change over time as I watch more movies and tweak a bit more. I may have to run a calibration disc through the Panny to make sure settings are correct for that player. I did find that it help if I switched the 500ES off of low lamp mode and back onto high lamp mode. I have not had a chance to try the new Panny with 3D Blu-ray discs but that will be for another weekend.

I would appreciate any tips from anyone else who has the Panny with a 500/600ES.

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Do you have any updates on your settings and/or results.
I'm working thru this right now and do not find many other comments on the combo panny ub-900 and the sony vw600es.
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Woah. It's been a while. Reading some of the latest posts here, you would think the projector is seeing its last days! I think it still looks awesome.

A couple tech questions for the experts:

1) Does the Xbox One S 4k UHD player work with the VW600?

2) I'm running the projector through a Yamaha receiver with HDMI 1.4a with 4K pass-through and a PS4. If I had a HDMI 2.0 UHD player, would the pass-through send the full UHD signal or would I need to change to a receiver with HDMI 2.0?

3) Will this baby get some sort of pusedo HDR update?

Thanks lads!
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1. Yes, it'll work. The question is if it'll work well. The DMP-UB900 is your best bet.

2. UHD signals would require an HDMI 2.0 pass-through connection and, possibly, with HDCP 2.2, depending on the source.

3. I'd venture to say likely not.

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Woah. It's been a while. Reading some of the latest posts here, you would think the projector is seeing its last days! I think it still looks awesome.

A couple tech questions for the experts:

1) Does the Xbox One S 4k UHD player work with the VW600?

2) I'm running the projector through a Yamaha receiver with HDMI 1.4a with 4K pass-through and a PS4. If I had a HDMI 2.0 UHD player, would the pass-through send the full UHD signal or would I need to change to a receiver with HDMI 2.0?

3) Will this baby get some sort of pusedo HDR update?

Thanks lads!
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Do you have any updates on your settings and/or results.
I'm working thru this right now and do not find many other comments on the combo panny ub-900 and the sony vw600es.
No. Sorry, I haven't had any time to watch movies or tweak since my last update. Darn thing called work keeps getting in the way.

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Just got the Panny yesterday and gave it a spin last night on my VW300 with the only two 4k titles I have at the moment: Mad Max and Allegiant. These are probably not the best transfers out there but I was sort of disappointed at the resolution improvement with these - not much better than up-scaled Blu Ray. The projector can resolve much more when fed with one of my high quality digital pictures like city shots from up high - difference is profound, especially as you get closer to the screen. I am of course comparing to fairly static movie scenes. It took some time until we saw the best of Blue Ray, so the best of 4k is yet to come I guess.

WRT color, I can see slight difference in colors between blue ray and 4k versions (with SDR conversion engaged) but I expect this to be normal as it is based on how the conversion algorithm does the mapping.

As for the SDR slider adjustment, it works well it seems but cannot decide if I like it at 0 (in the middle) or around say -6. I am curios to see what others think.
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Is there a new firmware (600ES), or just the one from a couple years ago. On the Sony site, it shows 1.1, but I could have sworn my projector came with a newer one than that. I don't want to power it on just to check, but I was thinking 1.2.
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Does anyone have their 600ES connected to Directv's C61k mini genie client and if so how is the 4K picture with that?


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My VW600ES is connected to a Genie master station through a Marantz AV7702, and it works great. However, I have not tried the 4K feed yet -- I think I will have to bypass the video around the 7702 to get that to work.

I have three of the mini-clients, but they are connected to various flat screen TVs.
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I'm in similar boat. My 600ES in media room is fed DTV from my current DVR via plain HDMI through Marantz 8801. My 600ES 4K feed is still fed the Sony 4K media server. I have an upgrade appt with DTV for new 4K Genie and 3 mini clients tomorrow. My plan is to install new genie same as DVR and add the mini client where the 4K server is, straight into 600es. I was hoping to see if any others had done this already?


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I just checked the bulb hours and I'm now at 5323hrs and still going strong. I really wonder how many hours I will get out of this bulb.

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By all accounts you are five times beyond the point at which most change their bulb , congratulations are in order I do believe. Change the bulb because you feel it is necessary
but not if you don't think it's a problem. If you start changing equipment because others tell you to or a meter reading indicates you should you may be forever chasing your tail .


According to the SXRD degradation thread you should also have little to know contrast left at all. Would be nice to know what your values are . 5323hrs. wow, someones having
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So I've recently noticed a bit of a yellow tint vertically down the centre of my image and also slightly on the left side also. I ran the auto calibrate and the white test was virtually 2/3 yellow with only the far RHS actually white. Once calibration was complete skin tones did look much better, However the yellow tint was still noticeable. I saw this being discussed a while back in the thread. Have people had this issue increase in severity and had the units fixed or replaced under warranty? I have only done just over 700 hrs in almost 2 years. I still have just over a year of warranty left. Any info/ input is appreciated.
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So I've recently noticed a bit of a yellow tint vertically down the centre of my image and also slightly on the left side also. I ran the auto calibrate and the white test was virtually 2/3 yellow with only the far RHS actually white. Once calibration was complete skin tones did look much better, However the yellow tint was still noticeable. I saw this being discussed a while back in the thread. Have people had this issue increase in severity and had the units fixed or replaced under warranty? I have only done just over 700 hrs in almost 2 years. I still have just over a year of warranty left. Any info/ input is appreciated.
Sounds like the optical block engine is going. Get it to Sony under your warranty.
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I'm in similar boat. My 600ES in media room is fed DTV from my current DVR via plain HDMI through Marantz 8801. My 600ES 4K feed is still fed the Sony 4K media server. I have an upgrade appt with DTV for new 4K Genie and 3 mini clients tomorrow. My plan is to install new genie same as DVR and add the mini client where the 4K server is, straight into 600es. I was hoping to see if any others had done this already?

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Reply to my own query to let others with our PJ know that my Directv 4K install was an apparent success. Had the HR54 genie installed as well as the 4K C61K client. I don't yet have my audio processor upgraded to handle switching, so the C61K goes HDMI direct into the 4K input on my 600ES and I have temporarily taken out my 4K media server. I have a separate digital audio cable feeding audio signal to processor. Once I have the cash to upgrade my Marantz 8801 I'll be able to switch 4K sources all via hdmi. The 4K demos DTV runs are nice.

True test will be tonight's Notre Dame game broadcast live in 4K!!!


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So I've recently noticed a bit of a yellow tint vertically down the centre of my image and also slightly on the left side also. I ran the auto calibrate and the white test was virtually 2/3 yellow with only the far RHS actually white. Once calibration was complete skin tones did look much better, However the yellow tint was still noticeable. I saw this being discussed a while back in the thread. Have people had this issue increase in severity and had the units fixed or replaced under warranty? I have only done just over 700 hrs in almost 2 years. I still have just over a year of warranty left. Any info/ input is appreciated.
I have attached an image that shows the description above. Have other people with this issue had there units replaced?
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Woah. It's been a while. Reading some of the latest posts here, you would think the projector is seeing its last days! I think it still looks awesome.

A couple tech questions for the experts:

1) Does the Xbox One S 4k UHD player work with the VW600?

2) I'm running the projector through a Yamaha receiver with HDMI 1.4a with 4K pass-through and a PS4. If I had a HDMI 2.0 UHD player, would the pass-through send the full UHD signal or would I need to change to a receiver with HDMI 2.0?

3) Will this baby get some sort of pusedo HDR update?

Thanks lads!
I can't answer #1 , but -

2 ) - might be time to get a new receiver with the current HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 . Flip the old one on Ebay or here on the free classifieds.

3 ) - I'd say no. The HDR update is called the VW675ES.

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I have attached an image that shows the description above. Have other people with this issue had there units replaced?
Hi I have the same issue i am looking to get my Projector sent for repair no settings changes will fix this issue
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Woah. It's been a while. Reading some of the latest posts here, you would think the projector is seeing its last days! I think it still looks awesome.

A couple tech questions for the experts:

1) Does the Xbox One S 4k UHD player work with the VW600?

2) I'm running the projector through a Yamaha receiver with HDMI 1.4a with 4K pass-through and a PS4. If I had a HDMI 2.0 UHD player, would the pass-through send the full UHD signal or would I need to change to a receiver with HDMI 2.0?

3) Will this baby get some sort of pusedo HDR update?

Thanks lads!
No HDR updates , the inputs will not handle HDR. You can use a HD Fury Integal to run 4K at HDMI 1.4 though although you probably will not see any big advantage over up-scaled BR, unless the 4K is remastered AND includes Atmos audio . Lumagen is going to remap HDR that you could use as well, just that the Lumagen player will cost more than your projector is worth.

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I just got a panasonic dmp-ub900 uhd bluray player and a new integra drx-1. Should I run my video hdmi from my uhd player to the reciever and then out to my Sony 600 or run a hdmi video straight to my projector so it doesn't pass through my reciever. My receiver is suppose to have 4k pass through and 2.2 compliant but all that stuff confuses me. What would be the best route? Thanks
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Do you guys know if this projector have hdr? Thanks
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paul-- it does not have HDR.
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I just got a panasonic dmp-ub900 uhd bluray player and a new integra drx-1. Should I run my video hdmi from my uhd player to the reciever and then out to my Sony 600 or run a hdmi video straight to my projector so it doesn't pass through my reciever. My receiver is suppose to have 4k pass through and 2.2 compliant but all that stuff confuses me. What would be the best route? Thanks
others may have a different opinion, but routing everything to the receiver simplifies the control of your system. remember to route your signal to the proper HDMI input on your projector. HDMI input 2 is the correct one on the 500 for 4k signals
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others may have a different opinion, but routing everything to the receiver simplifies the control of your system. remember to route your signal to the proper HDMI input on your projector. HDMI input 2 is the correct one on the 500 for 4k signals
So on my Sony projector I need to use input 2 for 4k stuff? What is the resolution if I use input 1? I have been using input 1 for a while now but never had any 4k source or player till now

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So on my Sony projector I need to use input 2 for 4k stuff? What is the resolution if I use input 1? I have been using input 1 for a while now but never had any 4k source or player till now

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The Sony upscales everything to 4k so regardless of the signal, it gets upscaled to 4k. However, the HDMI 2 is configured to take a native 4k signal whereas the HDMI 1 only handles a 1080 signal if i understand it correctly. Only is important when you are feeding it a UHD signal.

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The Sony upscales everything to 4k so regardless of the signal, it gets upscaled to 4k. However, the HDMI 2 is configured to take a native 4k signal whereas the HDMI 1 only handles a 1080 signal if i understand it correctly. Only is important when you are feeding it a UHD signal.

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Thank you. That does help. I will just use input 2 for now on.
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Hi,

I'm an owner of the vw-500es and today I got the ps4 pro which can output 4k. The ps4 pro asks for HDCP 2.2 and I figured out that HDMI 2 handles it. On the ps4 pro youtube released a 4k native app but when I run the videos they are displayed in at 854 x 480 and there is not quality option to choose...

I'm a little bit confused. On the console I set the video output to be 3840 x 2160 - 60hz and when I go to the info panel of the projector it says I'm viewing at 3840x2160-60p but even in games I can't see any difference...somebody in the same situation? I think this projector should be fully compatible with the ps4 pro.

Last question: I thought that when displaying a 4k source the reality creation would have been automatically turned off, but this is not happening...is it correct?

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No. Regretfully, this is completely incorrect. Both HDMI inputs accept 4K signals but only HDMI 2 is HDCP 2.2 compliant. This means that if you've got a 4K signal that is copy-protected using HDCP 2.2, you need to feed it through HDMI 2 in order to decode it properly to be able to see it.

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The Sony upscales everything to 4k so regardless of the signal, it gets upscaled to 4k. However, the HDMI 2 is configured to take a native 4k signal whereas the HDMI 1 only handles a 1080 signal if i understand it correctly. Only is important when you are feeding it a UHD signal.

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No. Regretfully, this is completely incorrect. Both HDMI inputs accept 4K signals but only HDMI 2 is HDCP 2.2 compliant. This means that if you've got a 4K signal that is copy-protected using HDCP 2.2, you need to feed it through HDMI 2 in order to decode it properly to be able to see it.
michael--thanks for the correction. i know i could only get a 4k signal through the HDMI 2 on my projector so it probably was the HDCP 2.2 issue.
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PS4 has HDMI 1.4a, same with Xbox One. As has been stated, HDMI 1.4a bandwidth can support native 4k playback @ 24Hz full dynamic range, or 50/60Hz @ 4:2:0, 8 bit (i.e. - limited dynamic range) if said device is capable of a firmware upgrade to support these features, good article here explaining which manufacturers have stated such upgrade support so far.

I think this is were some people are getting confused: they see 4k support listed at certain resolutions/dynamic range and assume this must mean said device is HDMI 2.0.....AFAIK at this moment Panasonic is the only manufacturer with TRUE HDMI 2.0 capable chips. The touted "HDMI 2.0 support" of the 600ES and even 1100ES is not TRUE HDMI 2.0 support (i.e. - they cannot handle the full 18.2Gbps bandwidth that HDMI 2.0 calls for so therefore cannot handle the full 4k dynamic range at 50/60Hz or even suggested future rates of 120Hz for TV based content/games).



I would break it into two easy parts:

A) Said device is capable of pseudo-HDMI 2.0 support (50/60Hz @ lower dynamic range, like the Sony projectors, PS4, Xbox One, or other firmware upgradeable displays/devices)

or

B) Said device is TRUE HDMI 2.0 support (50/60Hz @ full dynamic range, like the Panasonic TX-L65WT600)


The PS4 is using the Panasonic MN86471A HDMI chip (one of many sources for this info is - HERE). Photo from inside the PS4 is shown below:



According to several online sources this is a HDMI 1.4b HDMI transmitter chip that only supports 4K video at 24Hz and 30Hz. According to the Panasonic press release (HERE) their full bandwidth HDMI 2.0 chip has a different part number. I did do a search on the Panasonic semiconductor web site, but could find no listing for the MN86471A HDMI chip used in the PS4 so I don't know on what basis some online reviewer's/bloggers have determined it is a HDMI 1.4b chip, other than the PS4 currently is spec'ed to only have a 1.4b HDMI output.

Perhaps the MN86471A chip is being made by Panasonic specifically for Sony to use in the PS4 (that appears to be case) and that's why Panasonic does not list that part number on their web site. As a side note the PS3, when it was introduced in Nov. 2006, used a HDMI chipset from Silicon Image that was a custom product only used in the PS3 and not listed on the SI web site nor sold by SI to other manufacturers, These SI chips were HDMI 1.2 certified but with the hardware for certain of the features for HDMI 1.3, which Sony later enabled with a firmware update to the PS3. I'm not claiming to have any info that we have a similar situation with the Panasonic HDMI chips being used in the PS4 (i.e., with some HDMI 2.0 features being supported), but unless we can locate definitive info on the capabilities and limitations of the MN86471A chipset then it cannot be ruled out.

Has anyone on AVS forum seen any spec. sheet or other definitive info from Panasonic to confirm what the MN86471A capabilities (e.g., HDCP version) really are? What is clear it that the PS4 does not use the same HDMI 2.0-lite chipset used in the VW500/600 or the VW1100. It seems to me the jury is still out on the technical possibility of the PS4 getting a future firmware update to support the 4K download service and/or playback of future Blu-ray 4k discs.


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I built on your quote when I put together that the HDMI pins in the picture you provide are exposed which is NO LONGER ALLOWED for 1080P and higher resolutions. The video must be encrypted (HDCP 1.4) inside the Southbridge Trustzone block not the HDMI chip as has been done in the past. Further, if you understand from multiple PDFs and whitepapers that Sony will be supporting Vidipath and Miracast and both require HDCP 2.2 in the Trustzone TEE, the same hardware can support HDCP 2.2 for HDMI 2.0a; this has been confirmed.

It remains to be seen if Sony calling the PS4 UHD Capable in compliance reports to the EU here: efficientgaming.eu, means the 2013 PS4 has a 4k HEVC codec block in the trustzone block. Sony has told us that none of the PS4s will support UHD Blu-ray citing costs which is not a plausible reason since the XB1 S does so with no increase in cost.

Sony wants every UHD Blu-ray to support a digital bridge allowing streaming of blu-ray movies over the home network, this dovetails with Vidipath and how ATSC 3.0 (4K ) Antenna TV and Cable TV will be delivered in the home. If every PS4 can be a client, has a HDMI 2.0a port and 4K HEVC codec then every PS4 can be a Vidipath client which means they can also play UHD Blu-ray movies from a UHD Blu-ray player in the home.

Most PS4 owners will NEED to buy a Sony UHD Blu-ray player or a PC with UHD Blu-ray support...Sony has a license for a PC UHD Blu-ray app and drive. PCs with Hard disks and Game consoles with Hard Disks are the logical platforms for the UHD Blu-ray digital bridge. Since Sony has eliminated PS4s as part of this then PCs and Blu-ray players have to be supported by PS4 owners.

The XB1 with it's HDMI pass through can support Miracast and DLNA modes while watching TV but the PS4 can't unless it's playing something like Netflix or Playstation Vue (IPTV). So Microsoft already supports all DLNA modes on the XB1 while Sony does not. Sony is waiting on Vidipath which is I think is waiting on ATSC 3 I think late 2017. UHD Blu-ray and Vidipath - Miracast should come at the same time.

With PS4s crippled and needing to rely on a UHD Blu-ray digital bridge, it forces us to jump into the Vidipath in home streaming ecosystem. I previously assumed all PS4s would support UHD Blu-ray since Sony is focused on 4K and 1) they all have a HDMI 2.0a port, 2) Sony calls the PS4s UHD capable and 3) From 2010 the disk format for UHD Blu-ray (Version 2 disks) was known and BDXL drives from 2011 supported the 25, 50, 33, 66 and 99 GB disks.
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