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That's interesting, thanks. I was unaware of the Sony UBP-X800. I see it also has a display setting for "TV or Projector", which I haven't noticed in a player before.

About that 8-bit data, isn't that all the 600ES can handle? Does the 600ES's "x.v.Color" setting help at all with wide-color-gamut content?

I guess I will head over to the X800 thread, but one more quick question. It's vague in the manual how the "4K upscale" setting works. Does the "Auto1" setting do the right thing with our projectors, namely send 1080p when playing a regular Blu-ray and 2160p when playing a UHD disc? I prefer to upscale 1080p in the projector.

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The UB900 also has a setting to choose TV or Projector.

Yes you can send 10 bit to the Sony, but I think the driver board is limited to 8 bits (per Seegs108). The SXRD panels themselves are 12 bit.

Yes the x.v.Color (x.v.YCC) setting is a little bit wider gamut, but the source has to also have that capability, and not many do. I think the PS3 does. But since it is capable of wider than rec709 color gamut, you can send the BT2020 (which is for now just P3 inside the 2020 container) and it will go out as far as it can color wise, which if I recall gets to about 87% of DCI-P3 color gamut for the Sonys. So you do get some benefit by sending BT2020 from your UHD players, etc. I saw this first hand while testing a 350ES, 365ES & 675ES.



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Yes the x.v.Color (x.v.YCC) setting is a little bit wider gamut, but the source has to also have that capability, and not many do. I think the PS3 does. But since it is capable of wider than rec709 color gamut, you can send the BT2020 (which is for now just P3 inside the 2020 container) and it will go out as far as it can color wise, which if I recall gets to about 87% of DCI-P3 color gamut for the Sonys. So you do get some benefit by sending BT2020 from your UHD players, etc. I saw this first hand while testing a 350ES, 365ES & 675ES.
What colour space setting would you suggest to get the most from a 350ES to max the potential of a HDR player like the Sony X800?
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What colour space setting would you suggest to get the most from a 350ES to max the potential of a HDR player like the Sony X800?

The 350 also supports the xvYCC if I recall so that's also wider than rec709, so you can send BT2020 and let it go as wide as it can, which is probably the same 87 or so % of P3.

You'll probably need an HDF Integral or Linker to get it to output SDR BT2020 though. Or try to get it to send HDR with a Linker and then use custom settings like my HarperVision ones.
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The 350 also supports the xvYCC if I recall so that's also wider than rec709, so you can send BT2020 and let it go as wide as it can, which is probably the same 87 or so % of P3.

You'll probably need an HDF Integral or Linker to get it to output SDR BT2020 though. Or try to get it to send HDR with a Linker and then use custom settings like my HarperVision ones.
Thanks for the reply Dave. I was hoping that I could work with one of the 5 Color Space options mentioned in the manual.
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Thanks for the reply Dave. I was hoping that I could work with one of the 5 Color Space options mentioned in the manual.

I'm pretty sure if you have a meter like an i1 and grab a free calibration software like HCFR (if you don't have these already?) then you should be able to use the Custom Color Space and send BT2020 to it with an HDF device and then check and adjust the CMS to as wide as you can get it to support. I think it'll be similar to the other Sonys, about 87% of P3.
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I'm pretty sure if you have a meter like an i1 and grab a free calibration software like HCFR (if you don't have these already?) then you should be able to use the Custom Color Space and send BT2020 to it with an HDF device and then check and adjust the CMS to as wide as you can get it to support. I think it'll be similar to the other Sonys, about 87% of P3.
Thanks again. After all these years I still haven't found the time or the courage to approach such types of calibration. Possibly something for my retirement
On a somewhat non-related subject, is there a moderately priced pj (in the $ range of a Sony 350ES) that truly shows a noticeable benefit of the latest HDR players and discs? My 300ES is a great 4K pj, but I see no difference when playing a UBR discs.
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Thanks again. After all these years I still haven't found the time or the courage to approach such types of calibration. Possibly something for my retirement

On a somewhat non-related subject, is there a moderately priced pj (in the $ range of a Sony 350ES) that truly shows a noticeable benefit of the latest HDR players and discs? My 300ES is a great 4K pj, but I see no difference when playing a UBR discs.

Yes, I would look for a leftover or B-Stock JVC RS600 or maybe a new JVC RS520. You may even be able to get an RS620 in the range that the 350ES retailed for.

I personally think the laser phosphor Epson LS10000 and LS10500 do it justice as well, if calibrated right for HDR.

I would contact @Craig Peer or @Mike Garrett from AVS.
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