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Guys, what RF glasses are compatible with the 500/600? I need to get a hold of a pair relatively quick. thanks!
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Guys, what RF glasses are compatible with the 500/600? I need to get a hold of a pair relatively quick. thanks!

The glasses recommended for the 500/600ES are Sony Active 3D Glasses TDGBT500A . Also see the following:

From Post # 705
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They confirm that the new XPAND X105-RF-X1 are compatible with our new (favorite?) toy and they plan on updating the page accordingly...

Anyway, so I've ordered 3 of them (Amazone, cheaper..) and got them last week.
Feedback so far:

Can't really compare them to anything else and only was able to check against Avatar (shorly) and watched Despicable Me 2 fully.

To my eyes, they were good, no complaints picture wise. Didn't see ghosting, flicker or anything else. They synchronised very fast and never lost sync.
I'm also happy (enough) with the brightness (used high mode) on my screen, hence I'm not going to buy a HP screen after all.

I'm happy with them
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Me as well. My JVC is only a few years old and throws a great picture. I justified the new Sony because: (1) I went to an AT screen with lower gain than my Stewart and could not imagine giving up any brightness tongue.gif; (2) at my age and where I am in life, this will probably be my last PJ purchase. I hope to retire in a few months and this kind of expenditure is not in any kind of retirement budget. and (3). I wanted it biggrin.gif

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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C50KRO2/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Despite the warning on Amazon that they only work with Sony KDL-55W900A, like RoxieDog13 said these are indeed the right glasses.
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The glasses recommended for the 500/600ES are Sony Active 3D Glasses TDGBT500A . Also see the following:

From Post # 705
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They confirm that the new XPAND X105-RF-X1 are compatible with our new (favorite?) toy and they plan on updating the page accordingly...

Anyway, so I've ordered 3 of them (Amazone, cheaper..) and got them last week.
Feedback so far:

Can't really compare them to anything else and only was able to check against Avatar (shorly) and watched Despicable Me 2 fully.

To my eyes, they were good, no complaints picture wise. Didn't see ghosting, flicker or anything else. They synchronised very fast and never lost sync.
I'm also happy (enough) with the brightness (used high mode) on my screen, hence I'm not going to buy a HP screen after all.

I'm happy with them

that was my post. Watched Man of Steel. Still, no complaints at all.

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Guys, what RF glasses are compatible with the 500/600? I need to get a hold of a pair relatively quick. thanks!

Theres a coupon in the box for two of the glasses everyone's recommending. Sony are offering free "upgraded" 2 day shipping, from ground at the moment. Ordered them Tuesday afternoon, they shipped Wednesday afternoon and will arrive Friday. If you're in the States. The coupon doesn't cover the shipping so my cost was $5.
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Guys, what RF glasses are compatible with the 500/600? I need to get a hold of a pair relatively quick. thanks!

Hi Zombie,

The Sony glasses are very flimsy and uncomfortable (definitely for an adult, and even my 7 year old daughter complained about them), so it's good to have one pair for reference but if you're buying some extra ones I would either buy the Xpand (for yourself) or the very cheap Samsung SSG-5100GB/XC 3D for the kids:

Also if you have 3DRF glasses from an RF JVC (since last year) they should be compatible, as 3DRF is a cross-manufacturer standard, so in theory all 3DRF glasses are compatible with all 3DRF displays.

Please note that I've only tested the Sony glasses with the 500/600ES, so can't guarantee compatibility with the other models, but they have been confirmed as compatible by other users.
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C50KRO2/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Despite the warning on Amazon that they only work with Sony KDL-55W900A, like RoxieDog13 said these are indeed the right glasses.

Thanks for confirming, I just over-nighted a pair so Mike will have an extra set of glasses to go along with his shiny new 600. smile.gif
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Hi Zombie,

The Sony glasses are very flimsy and uncomfortable, so if you're buying some I would either buy the Xpand (for yourself) or the very cheap Samsung SSG-5100GB/XC 3D for the kids:

Also if you have 3DRF glasses from an RF JVC (since last year) they should be compatible, as 3DRF is a cross-manufacturer standard, so in theory all 3DRF glasses are compatible with all 3DRF displays.

hehe, I read this 2 seconds after I ordered. It's ok, I want to see the Sony glasses so we have a fair comparison of how the 600 / 1000 behave in 3D with the factory glasses that are supplied with each model.
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You're having keystone because you are tilting the projector downwards. Never do that. The projector has to be perfectly horizontal (if your screen is perfectly vertical) and perpendicular to the screen (ie not rotated to the left or to the right, even slightly).

Then you use lens shift (horizontal and vertical) to move the picture. NEVER, ever use keystone (there is no keystone adjustment for the Sony and that's the way it should be). Keystone is evil and destroys picture quality smile.gif.

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I edited my post to add a response to what you did. Please go up and look at it. I don't have time to retype it here. Hopefully what I added will help you.

Thank you both. Wishing I'd known that yesterday, but I'm lucky as the installer is coming back out again to adjust. Not his fault, he put it exactly where I told him to based on yesterday's feedback here. Mark, thank you for offering to be so generous with your time. I might drop you a line when the installer is here, but your notes have set us straight.

I have a 120", 2:35 Firehawk G4 with 19.5" black drop before the viewable screen begins (I'm clearing a canvas on the wall and also don't want to look up at the screen). The projector is obviously the 600es and my throw distance is right on 13' 4". The top of the viewable portion of the screen is 73" from the floor, the bottom us about 25" off the floor. Seating height is 17" off the floor. The center of the lens is 76.5" from the floor. Dropping lower will start to dig into aesthetics and decor but we're going to level out the projector and play with heights later today.

I know it has the option to, but can I safely adjust the drop height of the Stewart screen to stop an inch or two above where it was custom designed to? If I can gain an inch or three there, I won't need to
lower the projector much.
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hehe, I read this 2 seconds after I ordered. It's ok, I want to see the Sony glasses so we have a fair comparison of how the 600 / 1000 behave in 3D with the factory glasses that are supplied with each model.

Yeah, I know, a bit slow on that one smile.gif

For future reference, you're looking for glasses with the logo 3D RF Full HD (google it to see what it looks like, I couldn't import the picture for some reason). Any glasses with that logo should be compatible with recent 3D RF projectors (like the JVCs since last year, SONYs etc).
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I might keep them to see if they work with the 1000 after the upgrade, I thought I read that the 1100 could use the RF glasses as well.
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I know it has the option to, but can I safely adjust the drop height of the Stewart screen to stop an inch or two above where it was custom designed to? If I can gain an inch or three there, I won't need to
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Yes, you can adjust an inch or two either way. Follow the instructions that came with your screen.
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hehe, I read this 2 seconds after I ordered. It's ok, I want to see the Sony glasses so we have a fair comparison of how the 600 / 1000 behave in 3D with the factory glasses that are supplied with each model.

Not sure I would use the word flimsy or uncomfortable as much as simply light weight. They are comfortable because they are light but the nose piece is prone to falling off easily, my only gripe so far. They should fit better over prescription glasses because they
do not have side panels as as thus should be better for those with the same. The lack of side panels can be annoying however if there is any side lighting as it would enter the eye from the side and interfere with the image. In a bat cave no problem
but in a room with light walls and other side lighting on this would be a issue.

The OEM Sony glasses I had with my HW50ES and the PS3 that I used were heavy, uncomfortable and not fit well over prescription glasses. After one hour with those my nose would be sore, this is not so with the Sony RF glasses because they are light and have a nice
soft rubber nose piece .
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you and me both... except I have a cool 4K hockey puck to check out too... biggrin.gif

I will FINALLY get to watch 'That's my Boy' in 4K !! cool.gif
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This is dissapointing. Netflix is going to offer house of cards through smart tvs, not from a streaming device like a ps4 or pc. Does this mean that certain blu ray players will be able to stream it?

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lol, the link is misleading as it has review in the title. smile.gif

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Italian forum user comparison of the VW500ES with the new JVC RS57 and the Sony HW55ES (translated from Italian)
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I might keep them to see if they work] with the 1000 after the upgrade, I thought I read that the 1100 could use the RF glasses as well[

Thats correct, Z ( but for 1000UG / 1100 they need an ext. RF transmitter )

I have a pair off the BT500A here ( but my 1000 - not upgraded - cant use them for now, but I ,have not givent up yet biggrin.gif ) , but I dont find them "very flimsy and uncomfortable" as Manni01 do - maybe its my head rolleyes.gifbiggrin.gif

I looking very forward to your view about the 500 versus 1000, please hurry up, my curiosity is killing me tongue.gif


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Thank you!

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By the way, not sure if these qualify but here are some first users threads in this forum with some valuable info/impressions:

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Can someone who has the VW500/600 put on the FILM PROJECTION (dfi, dark frame insertion) mode in a movie and see if this gives any noticable flicker in bright scenes?
I've got mine this Saturday (thanks to Craig Shumer for an excellent service!) and played with it a bit:
with DFI there is some flicker, but not too annoying. I personally prefer True Cinema mode.

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By the way, congratulations to all of you who have invested in such an excellent projector
and it's right before that I'm jealous smile.gif


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Thank you both. Wishing I'd known that yesterday, but I'm lucky as the installer is coming back out again to adjust. Not his fault, he put it exactly where I told him to based on yesterday's feedback here. Mark, thank you for offering to be so generous with your time. I might drop you a line when the installer is here, but your notes have set us straight.

I have a 120", 2:35 Firehawk G4 with 19.5" black drop before the viewable screen begins (I'm clearing a canvas on the wall and also don't want to look up at the screen). The projector is obviously the 600es and my throw distance is right on 13' 4". The top of the viewable portion of the screen is 73" from the floor, the bottom us about 25" off the floor. Seating height is 17" off the floor. The center of the lens is 76.5" from the floor. Dropping lower will start to dig into aesthetics and decor but we're going to level out the projector and play with heights later today.

I know it has the option to, but can I safely adjust the drop height of the Stewart screen to stop an inch or two above where it was custom designed to? If I can gain an inch or three there, I won't need to
lower the projector much.

I am a little tired right now and am going to catch a few zees before going back to the job site. My team is already working on it while I am catching up on the zees.

If I understand you correctly, your 2.35 screen is 120 inches wide and you will be zooming to fil it and send the horizonal black bars on a 2.35 image on a 1.78 source frame off screen. This means for throw purposes you have a 120 inch wide 1.78 screen. This means with FH G4 fabric your minimum throw is 1.5 x 120 or 180 inches. This is a minimum throw of 15 ft and your throw is below the minimum being only 13 Feet 4 inches or 160 inches. You are 20 inches short and this will make your screen perform very poorly hot spotting and other wise. Do everything you can to move the projector lens at least 20 inches back. If you can't, then you will need to not use the entire screen width and limit your width to 160/1.5 or about 106 inches wide. The only other choice is to change your screen fabric to one requiring a small throw ratio. There really is no other solution.
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Owners, I need your help...

Let's talk shadow detail.


How well does it Handel these scenes?

Normal:


Overexposed:


Normal:


Overexposed:


Normal:


Overexposed:





How wells does the 500/600es show these details (red circles) at a gamma of 2.2 or greater?
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We just published our series check (20+ machines).

Also wie looked inside for the HDMI Driver Chips:

http://www.cine4home.de/knowhow/Cine4Home_Edition_VW500/Sony_VPL_VW500-C4HEd.htm

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We just published our series check (20+ machines).

Also wie looked inside for the HDMI Driver Chips:

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