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When I had a customer's VPL-vw1000ES for testing and check out, my wife took one look at it and said, sell off your other projectors, you are buying one of these for us.

I know for a fact if I tried to push my luck for a 1000ES she would strangle me. You sound very lucky!
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The lamps for the 500/600 and the 1000/1100 are not the same. High output lamp for the 1000/1100. MSRP I think is $799 if I remember correctly but Sony is giving those who do the mod to convert their 1000 to 1100 a free lamp. And that should last most a year or two. I am on my first lamp but its getting time for a replacement after about 1500 hours.

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The lamps for the 500/600 and the 1000/1100 are not the same. High output lamp for the 1000/1100. MSRP I think is $799 if I remember correctly but Sony is giving those who do the mod to convert their 1000 to 1100 a free lamp. And that should last most a year or two. I am on my first lamp but its getting time for a replacement after about 1500 hours.

OK. But the 500 and 600 share the same lamp, correct?
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Yes. Same lamp. And the lamp may be cheaper in Europe than it is here just as the 500 is way cheaper than the 600 is here. The lamp may be cheaper in Canada too. But frankly after shipping from Europe etc, the difference in price for the lamp will not be that great. And good luck with a bulb warranty replacement from overseas especially if you have to ship the lamp back to get a new one. Remember the lamps will be discounted here and I would expect a real Sony lamp to sell for under $600. Ant the Euro one with everything to sell landed for about $450. I wouldn't take the gamble and besides you only want to order a new lamp when you need it. Warranty's are only 90 days from the date of sale. If you want to gamble, buy from one of those same as lamp sources. I wouldn't though.

Cool you are over analyzing all this. Replacement lamp costs really don't enter into the equation. In fact there is no equation and what someone else does and tries to talk you into is also irrelevant. There is no safety in numbers. Whatever you do will undoubtedly be both wrong and right judged by the same group that post here on a regular basis. I think you already know what you are going to do. Enjoy whatever you do.

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Yes. Same lamp. And the lamp may be cheaper in Europe than it is here just as the 500 is way cheaper than the 600 is here. The lamp may be cheaper in Canada too. But frankly after shipping from Europe etc, the difference in price for the lamp will not be that great. And good luck with a bulb warranty replacement from overseas especially if you have to ship the lamp back to get a new one. Remember the lamps will be discounted here and I would expect a real Sony lamp to sell for under $600. Ant the Euro one with everything to sell landed for about $450. I wouldn't take the gamble and besides you only want to order a new lamp when you need it. Warranty's are only 90 days from the date of sale. If you want to gamble, buy from one of those same as lamp sources. I wouldn't though.

Cool you are over analyzing all this. Replacement lamp costs really don't enter into the equation. In fact there is no equation and what someone else does and tries to talk you into is also irrelevant. There is no safety in numbers. Whatever you do will undoubtedly be both wrong and right judged by the same group that post here on a regular basis. I think you already know what you are going to do. Enjoy whatever you do.

If I do go the 600ES route, I have no intentions of buying a lamp until I would need it for the exact reason you stated: warranties are only 90 days from initial purchase. Was just checking around to see lamp cost for factoring into my decision......but have now realized that if I am spending almost $10k on a projector, new lamp cost is a non-factor. Besides, I, like you, feel the lamps will come down in price here in the states well before I would ever need a new one anyways.

I am, however, looking into the possibility of further saving money and getting a 500ES from Canada since I live right on the border and my mothers side of the family all lives in Canada less than 2 hours away. Can't blame a guy for trying to save money, right?
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I'm kind of in the same boat trying to decide between RS57/X700 or 500es. I'm not tight on the budget but if i'm going to spend 10k I'd assume this investment to last 3 years +, and I'm wondering if it'll be the case.

Right now in Europe, feedback on problems with the 500es is about the same as what you see here with JVC handshake... So a lot of problems report, not all possible to fix via software update and more importantly drastic performance degradation have been seen by some users... and that also include the unit Sony send to reviewers and the last one who got it just refuse to review the thing as it's not even on par with hw55es in PQ...

RS57 seems to be on par with 500es as far as 1080p is concerned but I might need to upgrade sooner.. JVC's issue is thought to be fixed by firmware update, but I don't think they confirmed that yet. The JVC has a better optic and convergence as well (I don't think the 500es optic can really show up 4k pixels near borders/corners).

As of January I don't know if the 500es issues are fixed yet.. I guess i'll just wait a bit more.

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Right now in Europe, feedback on problems with the 500es is about the same as what you see here with JVC handshake... So a lot of problems report, not all possible to fix via software update and more importantly drastic performance degradation have been seen by some users... and that also include the unit Sony send to reviewers and the last one who got it just refuse to review the thing as it's not even on par with hw55es in PQ...

Any links regarding all these issues and reviewers refusing to review?
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Any links regarding all these issues and reviewers refusing to review?

I'm curious as well as I have not seen a single post regarding such issues confused.gif
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^ Yup.. me too... sounds fishy that sony would sent out a defective unit to an important reviewer... And I have yet to encounter such a case on the internet and I have been searching reviews and reading as many as i can find on this projector.
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Any links regarding all these issues and reviewers refusing to review?

It's in French :

 

For example here : http://www.hdfever.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3691&start=880#p80186

 

You'll also some screen manufacturer installing his screen to 5 different homes with 500es and all were affected. The guy is also an exclusive Sony dealer as well, so he knows a proper one when he sees one.

 

Sony just announced their 4k projector will all be compatible with HDCP 2.2 so I'll most likely go with an 500es and pray I get a good one :p It's a very projector in theory :p

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Oh Boy,
Vizio just announced their Reference TV line. 120 Inch, 800 Nits (Ultra Dynamic Range), plus 10 Bit color... .

If it's priced anywhere lower than the Sony 600ES 4K projector, it might totally replace the need for projectors...

http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/6/5279150/vizio-announces-first-consumer-4k-tvs-kills-3d-support
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Oh Boy,
Vizio just announced their Reference TV line. 120 Inch, 800 Nits (Ultra Dynamic Range), plus 10 Bit color... .

If it's priced anywhere lower than the Sony 600ES 4K projector, it might totally replace the need for projectors...

http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/6/5279150/vizio-announces-first-consumer-4k-tvs-kills-3d-support

I saw 70 inch in the announcement but not 120. At 70 or 80 or even 90 inch, it is still not 120 or 130 or more. But they will get there!! (And even if they do, Sony will not sit still AND they own the media ...)
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I saw 70 inch in the announcement but not 120. At 70 or 80 or even 90 inch, it is still not 120 or 130 or more. But they will get there!! (And even if they do, Sony will not sit still AND they own the media ...)

Just do a search on Vizio 120 Inch tv and you'll find dozens of links...

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01/07/ces-we-feast-our-eyes-on-vizios-120-inch-reference-series-4k-tv
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What happened to the Panasonic 4k consumer projector everyone was talking about last week? I can't find a single press release about them having one ?

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It is not an HT projector and it is not true 4K. It is a business class projector that uses a form of E-shift. On top of that, Panny talks about it being an industry first, when JVC is on their third year of E-shift.

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It's in French :

For example here : http://www.hdfever.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3691&start=880#p80186

You'll also some screen manufacturer installing his screen to 5 different homes with 500es and all were affected. The guy is also an exclusive Sony dealer as well, so he knows a proper one when he sees one.

Sony just announced their 4k projector will all be compatible with HDCP 2.2 so I'll most likely go with an 500es and pray I get a good one tongue.gif It's a very projector in theory tongue.gif

Thanks, I can read French and it doesn't look good at all. The unit I reviewed for a week was close to perfect, but reading that things can get worse with time is not very confidence inspiring., It looks quite widespread too.

It also sounds like there might be more issues with the 500ES than the 600ES. Could it be that the 500ES is cheaper because it's not made in Japan like the 600ES, but say in China? I thought they were the same and had to be made in Japan because 4K could only be done there properly. This is very weird, but it might explain why some review units (like the one reviewed by AV Forums) had such a dodgy 3D.
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I think the vw600 seems to have better QC at least... Right now it's the only thing holding me back... if I am to shell out 10k, I'd expect the unit meeting the specs...

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Well, there goes my idea of grabbing a 500ES from across the border where my grandparents live (in Canada) to save money.....mine as well buy the 600ES and play it safe.
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Well, there goes my idea of grabbing a 500ES from across the border where my grandparents live (in Canada) to save money.....mine as well buy the 600ES and play it safe.

More importantly these models are - I think - region coded, for example the US 4K server doesn't work on the European 500ES. This means that any device using HDCP 2.2 might refuse to connect to it, especially when an internet connection is need to access the content, as the location of your ISP won't match the region of the display. Sure you can try defeating this with a VPN, but that's really asking for trouble, especially if no one else has confirmed it could work. So before buying a model from abroad, make sure it will work with the source(s) you plan to use for content. All 4K sources are heavily protected with HDCP 2.2, so beware. The safe way is source + display bought from the country where the content will be bought and watched.
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Thanks, I can read French and it doesn't look good at all. The unit I reviewed for a week was close to perfect, but reading that things can get worse with time is not very confidence inspiring., It looks quite widespread too.

It also sounds like there might be more issues with the 500ES than the 600ES. Could it be that the 500ES is cheaper because it's not made in Japan like the 600ES, but say in China? I thought they were the same and had to be made in Japan because 4K could only be done there properly. This is very weird, but it might explain why some review units (like the one reviewed by AV Forums) had such a dodgy 3D.

 

My reseller contacted me and told me that this morning Sony confirmed him the issue is now fixed for units shipping now. That's good news.

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My reseller contacted me and told me that this morning Sony confirmed him the issue is now fixed for units shipping now. That's good news.

Did he say what the fix was? Just curious.
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No idea, but it's not like they didn't know how to make good units before... So I guess they fixed things at a production level or put better QC in place... Time will tell if it fixes everything, but I think they can't afford too many more mistakes in europe / Japan. Since it's a serious Japanese company, I bet there was some guys bowing the crap out of themselves and they'll make sure everything is fine now :p

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FYI I called Sony the other day and the guy told me the bulb life on the 600es is 2000hrs give or take how its used. Screen size, lamp mode etc
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FYI I called Sony the other day and the guy told me the bulb life on the 600es is 2000hrs give or take how its used. Screen size, lamp mode etc

Yes that is correct.. Sony ES support will tell you average 2000 hours on the 600ES bulb..

Whats amazing is a few weeks ago people were speculating 500-1000 hours and its not correct.

Of course as with any projector the bulb will dim over time but sony is saying you should get 2000 on average.

I spoke with them today as well to confirm this.

Considering the Bulb is not very expensive compared to the Xenon units its actually a pretty low cost of ownership for such a high end piece.

Whats really amazing is Sony completely owns the 4K projector market this year. We thought others would be able to pull it off for CES but it didnt happen.

The 600ES is turning out to be quite the winner for Sony as not only is the picture amazing but with its REAL 4K panels , people are buying them with the concept of not having to replace them in a year or two.

My thoughts today are you should either buy an entry level priced projector like the HW55 which is awesome for the money or step up and buy the 600ES.. I wouldn't recommend spending 6000-9000 on a 2K Eshift 4K simulated projector when for a little more you can get a 600ES. The 2K 3995 Sony 55ES is so nice for the money and if you have the bucks then step up and buy the 4K but dont spend for the in between models from other companies that may not be in the projector business for much longer.

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I think it would be the "expected" bulb life. I think the bulb will last longer, its just a question of how dimer you can live with until it becomes too dim for you and your set up.

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Yes that is correct.. Sony ES support will tell you average 2000 hours on the 600ES bulb..

Whats amazing is a few weeks ago people were speculating 500-1000 hours and its not correct.

Of course as with any projector the bulb will dim over time but sony is saying you should get 2000 on average.

I spoke with them today as well to confirm this.

Considering the Bulb is not very expensive compared to the Xenon units its actually a pretty low cost of ownership for such a high end piece.

Whats really amazing is Sony completely owns the 4K projector market this year. We thought others would be able to pull it off for CES but it didnt happen.

The 600ES is turning out to be quite the winner for Sony as not only is the picture amazing but with its REAL 4K panels , people are buying them with the concept of not having to replace them in a year or two.

My thoughts today are you should either buy an entry level priced projector like the HW55 which is awesome for the money or step up and buy the 600ES.. I wouldn't recommend spending 6000-9000 on a 2K Eshift 4K simulated projector when for a little more you can get a 600ES. The 2K 3995 Sony 55ES is so nice for the money and if you have the bucks then step up and buy the 4K but dont spend for the in between models from other companies that may not be in the projector business for much longer.

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A "little" more? Last I checked, a JVC RS57 could be had for less than half of the Sony and throws a hell of a pic. Dont get me wrong as I was extremely impressed with the Sony when I saw it, but we are not talking about a "little" price difference when you compare street prices. smile.gif Both JVC and Sony have their place in the market depending on the budget/needs of the buyer.

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There are a lot more valid choices other than the three Sony's. I love ya, but you are really pushing the Sonys when for many there might be and probably are be better choices for the money they have to spend. What some others do is not germane to one's buying decision. Their reasons may be germane but there reasoning could be faulty. Buy the machine that best meets your price point and needs.

4K projectors will become mainstream and most will want a true 4K machine soon. That's the reason for buying a Sony 4K machine now. You won't want have to buy another machine, one that does 4K to replace your new 2K machine, in a few years. I agree with you on that.
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A "little" more? Last I checked, a JVC RS57 could be had for less than half of the Sony and throws a hell of a pic. Dont get me wrong as I was extremely impressed with the Sony when I saw it, but we are not talking about a "little" price difference when you compare street prices. smile.gif Both JVC and Sony have their place in the market depending on the budget/needs of the buyer.

In canada, the price was less than an rs67
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I know, but me and the poster I responded to are not in Canada so that is irrelevant to our conversation in all due respect. I wont quote exact numbers, but there was almost a 6k difference between a preorder 6710 and Sony 600 from the quotes I received and an 8k difference (!!!) between a 57 preorder and 600ES. I would not call that a "little" difference, would you?

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Dang, they are really giving to you there aren't they? I could see the reason some members aren't thinking about it... The price in the USA is so much higher than everywhere else
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