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Sony put back the 1.006 update I was talking about few days before on their support website.

 

IMPROVEMENTS:
This firmware updates the projector system software in order to improve 3D performance even better and to fix minor bugs:
   
1.) 3D Performance:
        •  Improve general crosstalk performance 
        •  Fix 3D vertical lines’ half resolution bug
  
2.) Trigger: Fix of a rare movement bug

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Haha, I can't download the update file because it is linked to a manual for a remote control instead, awesome! smile.gif
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Sony put back the 1.006 update I was talking about few days before on their support website.

IMPROVEMENTS:
This firmware updates the projector system software in order to improve 3D performance even better and to fix minor bugs:
   
1.) 3D Performance:
        •  Improve general crosstalk performance 
        •  Fix 3D vertical lines’ half resolution bug
  
2.) Trigger: Fix of a rare movement bug

I do not have a 600es as of yet but how is the firmware installed on that projector?
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Using the usb port.

 

You just have to put the unzipped folder at the root of your USB drive then (taken from the update doc):

 

1. Power off the projector. 
2. Make sure no other USB device is connected to the projector before starting the update. 
3. Insert the USB storage device containing the update folder into USB port of the projector. 
4. Power on the projector. The update process starts automatically. 
5. When the update is finished, the projector will automatically restart to complete the update 
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That's easy for a projector.. I've seen... much worse.

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If you go to the Sony e support site, you can find the software and down loading instructions. It can't get any easier for down loading and installing software updates. JVCs are much more difficult but quite doable.
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Using the usb port.

You just have to put the unzipped folder at the root of your USB drive then (taken from the update doc):

1. Power off the projector. 

2. Make sure no other USB device is connected to the projector before starting the update. 

3. Insert the USB storage device containing the update folder into USB port of the projector. 

4. Power on the projector. The update process starts automatically. 

5. When the update is finished, the projector will automatically restart to complete the update 

process 

That's easy for a projector.. I've seen... much worse.

Thank's my new 600es should be here in a day or two!!!
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If you go to the Sony e support site, you can find the software and down loading instructions

 

Where exactly is it? I went to http://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model-home.pl?mdl=VPLVW600ES&template_id=1&region_id=1&tab=download#/downloadTab and all I see is the older 1.005 version.

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It seems it's live in europe only for the moment... US version must not be far off...

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It will be interesting to see which update mine has when it arrives later this week.
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It will be interesting to see which update mine has when it arrives later this week.

I am pretty sure it will not have the new update, since it just came out.

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Has anybody had trouble ordering the included glasses? The website won’t let me order (it keeps telling me the items are already covered when it demands my card or PayPal info—both of which I’ve tried), but it won’t let me check out.  Anybody have any advice for this?  I really need those glasses.


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Installed the 1.006 firmware and 3D was improved A LOT in my case, crosstalk performance wise. Motion flow is not generating ghosting anymore. Sony did well...

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Installed the 1.006 firmware and 3D was improved A LOT in my case, crosstalk performance wise. Motion flow is not generating ghosting anymore. Sony did well...

I applied the firmware earlier this evening. After some initial testing I can't see any improvement in crosstalk with 3d in High brightness mode. My standard mode was always crosstalk free but obviously a bit dimmer, so no change there either.
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I formatted the usb fat 32, ntfs, and various formats and nothing more. I put it, I start the pj and anything, does not read the file

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Ive been testing the VW500 (demo model) for the last couple of nights in my HT. I currently have the JVC X900.

On my 145" scope AT screen the results on the 500 is indeed fantastic. More detail, sharper, brighter, I am impressed and very happy with the result but:

I still just cant get the black floor looking anything like I did on the 900, which is really BLACK!
Is there anyway to get the black floor blacker on the Sony, or is this as good as it gets.
I have the lamp on low, reference setting, iris full and stopped down to approx. -80.

I see the gamma is set to OFF, is that correct?
I tried 2.4/2.6 but the black floor is the same.

Any settings that folk can guide me into without a full calibration that will improve the black floor would be appreciated. The blacks in bright scenes are however spectacular!
I would just like the dark scenes to be blacker, similar to the X900, Im then sold!!!!cool.gif
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Ive been testing the VW500 (demo model) for the last couple of nights in my HT. I currently have the JVC X900.

On my 145" scope AT screen the results on the 500 is indeed fantastic. More detail, sharper, brighter, I am impressed and very happy with the result but:

I still just cant get the black floor looking anything like I did on the 900, which is really BLACK!
Is there anyway to get the black floor blacker on the Sony, or is this as good as it gets.
I have the lamp on low, reference setting, iris full and stopped down to approx. -80.

I see the gamma is set to OFF, is that correct?
I tried 2.4/2.6 but the black floor is the same.

Any settings that folk can guide me into without a full calibration that will improve the black floor would be appreciated. The blacks in bright scenes are however spectacular!
I would just like the dark scenes to be blacker, similar to the X900, Im then sold!!!!cool.gif

That's why I am waiting for JVC to release a true 4K projector, I sure hope CEDIA 2014 please biggrin.gif
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That's as good as it gets. The X900 will destroy the Sony when it comes to black level. The new DI really helps the JVC get an even darker black floor. You could use an ND filter, that's your best hope, but then you'll lose out on some brightness during brighter scenes.

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That's as good as it gets. The X900 will destroy the Sony when it comes to black level. The new DI really helps the JVC get an even darker black floor. You could use an ND filter, that's your best hope, but then you'll lose out on some brightness during brighter scenes.

So the new 4K JVC should be a Sony Killer biggrin.gifwink.gif
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Maybe, it really depends on when JVC decides to release one. If they release one this year, it'll have to compete against the VW600ES and that would necessitate JVC to use a better lens, something along the lines of what the 600ES has. I hope they release this year, I think we'll get a better projector because of it if they do. Please, please, please!!!!

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That's as good as it gets. The X900 will destroy the Sony when it comes to black level. The new DI really helps the JVC get an even darker black floor. You could use an ND filter, that's your best hope, but then you'll lose out on some brightness during brighter scenes.

Just curious, how much darker does the black floor level get with the DI vs just a fixed iris on the X900?

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You'll have to wait for some official numbers to get released from professional reviewers. I've seen numbers for the x700 get as high as 350000:1. But that is dynamic contrast most likely going from full open to full close. Most reports say subjectively the black floor is on another level this year.

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Just curious, how much darker does the black floor level get with the DI vs just a fixed iris on the X900?

ALOT!

I have a bat cave, no reflections at all. When the X900 fades out the room is scary, I cant even see my hand in front of my face. Its black!

Im trying to get the Sony to look a bit closer to the X900s blacks, if I could it would kill the JVC. It is on another level this year than all previous years.
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There's no way to get the Sony anywhere near the JVC. You could use an ND filter. That's really your only hope if you want black levels closer to the JVC.

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There's no way to get the Sony anywhere near the JVC. You could use an ND filter. That's really your only hope if you want black levels closer to the JVC.

I have many ND filters at home, is there a thread that the Sony has in front of the lens one could use?
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You'll get more light throughout the whole spectrum. So, yes it will give a darker black floor, but not as black compared to low lamp mode. Think of the ND filter as adding a static iris to the projector. It simply decreases the amount of light that hits your screen. This in turn gives you a better black level, but at the cost of less lumens for normal APL scenes.

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You'll get more light throughout the whole spectrum. So, yes it will give a darker black floor, but not as black compared to low lamp mode. Think of the ND filter as adding a static iris to the projector. It simply decreases the amount of light that hits your screen. This in turn gives you a better black level, but at the cost of less lumens for normal APL scenes.

Would you recommend adding the ND filter yourself or just live with less black?
Do you have the 500/600?
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Right now I have a JVC DLA-X90. I've demo'ed the 600ES twice now and spent a total of 2-3 hours with one at a local home theater store. For me, after owning the X90 and many JVC units before, it's hard to give up the benefit of high native contrast. Dynamic irises are something the Sony does well, but there are still times where it doesn't work perfectly. It's one of the compromises to Sony's design of their entire projector line. To get relatively high contrast you need to enable the Di and deal with a hiccup every now and then. After spending some time with the 600ES, I think I'm going to hold off and wait for JVC to come out with a 4K unit. The Sony looked wonderful and was extremely bright, but I thought overall my JVC had a better picture and the aspect of far higher native contrast was at the heart of my reasoning. The image from the JVC simply looked more stable and solid because of it.

This is personal preference of course. Many find the 600ES' other advantages more than enough reason to ditch their JVC (or another projector brand). For your situation, with that screen size, I'd seriously consider the Sony instead because of the amount of lumens it can produce. I'll ask you one question and it might be the answer you're looking for; Take the X900 out of the equation and forget about it's contrast performance. Does the 500ES satisfy you when it comes to subjective contrast performance or does it make you feel like the picture lacks something? If you feel it gives "enough" contrast performance I'd say go with it. If you feel like you need more contrast, go with the JVC. Just be careful and make sure the JVC is bright enough for you. Brightness is a powerful thing. to our eyes it can make an image look sharper and more clear and it can make you think color is also better. At the end of the day you might find that the Sony is overall better for your situation because of your screen.

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That's why I am waiting for JVC to release a true 4K projector, I sure hope CEDIA 2014 please biggrin.gif

Don't expect a 5 k price point, I'm betting it will be more in line with the 600es price point or maybe in between the 1100 and 600es.
The glass they have to use for those panels will cost 5k alone
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I'm not. I'm hoping for a street price around $10000

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Right now I have a JVC DLA-X90. I've demo'ed the 600ES twice now and spent a total of 2-3 hours with one at a local home theater store. For me, after owning the X90 and many JVC units before, it's hard to give up the benefit of high native contrast. Dynamic irises are something the Sony does well, but there are still times where it doesn't work perfectly. It's one of the compromises to Sony's design of their entire projector line. To get relatively high contrast you need to enable the Di and deal with a hiccup every now and then. After spending some time with the 600ES, I think I'm going to hold off and wait for JVC to come out with a 4K unit. The Sony looked wonderful and was extremely bright, but I thought overall my JVC had a better picture and the aspect of far higher native contrast was at the heart of my reasoning. The image from the JVC simply looked more stable and solid because of it.

This is personal preference of course. Many find the 600ES' other advantages more than enough reason to ditch their JVC (or another projector brand). For your situation, with that screen size, I'd seriously consider the Sony instead because of the amount of lumens it can produce. I'll ask you one question and it might be the answer you're looking for; Take the X900 out of the equation and forget about it's contrast performance. Does the 500ES satisfy you when it comes to subjective contrast performance or does it make you feel like the picture lacks something? If you feel it gives "enough" contrast performance I'd say go with it. If you feel like you need more contrast, go with the JVC. Just be careful and make sure the JVC is bright enough for you. Brightness is a powerful thing. to our eyes it can make an image look sharper and more clear and it can make you think color is also better. At the end of the day you might find that the Sony is overall better for your situation because of your screen.

Ive had the X900 for 3 months and so I really know it well. The image and the blacks are fantastic but I did always want a brighter image for my large screen. I had to run the X900 on full lamp and the manual iris fully open.

I have already decided the overall benefits are greater with the Sony for my large screen even with less blacks, so I have to defiantly go with the Sony. The Sony looks double the brightness on low lamp than the JVC looks on high lamp, I'm sure that's why the JVC has the better black floor.

When JVC gets a 4K projector with the same type of lumens as the Sony, hopefully they can still retain being the winner of blacks, but that's all speculation. JVC might keep all the good stuff but never increase their lumens, I'm sure low lumens = better blacks, am I correct?

The Sony most defiantly is a fantastic projector even though its blacks are in a different category to the latest run of JVCs. If I only had a 120" screen I would most defiantly stay with the X900.
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