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Finally, the brochure which includes specifications for the Sony VPL-VW1100ES courtesy of Sony UK. I applied for official status for this thread but because of the holiday and the US government being closed I decided to start this thread with full notice that the thread is not official but the brochure is.

http://www.sony.co.uk/res/attachment/file/77/1237491528477.pdf

And here is a link for the Sony US cite More specs

http://discover.store.sony.com/ES/projectors/VPL-VW1100ES.html. info.

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OK. Now I have had a chance to read it and there are a few things hidden in there, and one major mistake, Lot of info we would like is not in there.

First, the lens info is wrong. Looks like they cut and pasted from the 500 brochure, The Sony yanks call it the 600. The lens is the same as the 1000ES and has a throw range from 1.27 to 2.73 which gives a zoom ratio 2.15 and not 2.06. Shame on Sony. The English brochure writer will not receive one of the Sony No Baloney awards from us.smile.gif

The unit comes with IR 3D glasses. the TDG-PJ1, triggered by an internal IR emitter. There is an optional external IR emitter too, the TMP-PJ2.

But here is the earth shaking stop the Zombie10K press. The unit will also work with Sony's optional RF glasses, the TDG-BT500A, but you will need to add the optional Sony RF emitter, the TMR-RF1. So no more DIY cables and boxes need for RF. NEWS: SONY OFFERS AN OPTIONAL RF EMITTER---THE TMR-RF1 for the 1100ES.

There are revisions to the Auto Iris. Thankfully Sony has not relabeled it as an II or DI. But there are now three dynamic modes rather than 2 They call the AI change, Auto Iris 3 or Revision 3.

The bad news. No CMS and no auto cal.

That's all I can dig out from the brochure that looks different or answers our questions from Cedia.

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Finally, the brochure which includes specifications for the Sony VPL-VW1100ES courtesy of Sony UK. I applied for official status for this thread but because of the holiday and the US government being closed I decided to start this thread with full notice that the thread is not official but the brochure is.

http://www.sony.co.uk/res/attachment/file/77/1237491528477.pdf
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It works when I click on it from the paste in my post and in your quote. I am a slide rule type of guy, I have no clue as to why you are having trouble or how to fix it. I suggest just googling Sony VPL-vw1100ES and the British Sony site will come up and you can click on the brochure button.

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The RF emitter picture looks a lot like this one:
http://www.xpand.me/products/radio-frequency-emitter/

Perhaps there is a new VESA sync plug, an adapter cable, or maybe the picture is wrong.
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To translate, he is saying the picture of the emitter in the brochure looks like the Sony emitter is the same as the Xpand RF emitter. I just don't have the info. However, I can't find anything in the specs that indicate the unit as an emitter out plug, just an IR in jack.

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Back to the lack of a CMS. This means we will all be upgrading our Lumagens again. Now we need the 4K out Lumagen for their better scaling and we will need the 4K in Lumagen when it comes out to provide the ability to calibrate for our 4K sources.

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Back to the lack of a CMS. This means we will all be upgrading our Lumagens again. Now we need the 4K out Lumagen for their better scaling and we will need the 4K in Lumagen when it comes out to provide the ability to calibrate for our 4K sources.
I thought someone said there were service menu settings for calibration?
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You can calibrate gray scale. You can I believe change in the service menu the gray scale presets for the modes or some of the modes but there is no CMS for moving the primaries etc. However, they really don't need to be moved. But if you are truly anal about calibration and believe getting everything spot on so that your imperfect eyes will still see it differently than the colorist saw and adjusted it with his/her less than perfect eyes, you will need an external CMS. Without 4K sources, we just use our older Lumagens for their auto cal and CMS etc.

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Added US Sony link to the first post.

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OK. Now I have had a chance to read it and there are a few things hidden in there, and one major mistake, Lot of info we would like is not in there.

First, the lens info is wrong. Looks like they cut and pasted from the 500 brochure, The Sony yanks call it the 600. The lens is the same as the 1000ES and has a throw range from 1.27 to 2.73 which gives a zoom ratio 2.15 and not 2.06. Shame on Sony. The English brochure writer will not receive one of the Sony No Baloney awards from us.smile.gif

The unit comes with IR 3D glasses. the TDG-PJ1, triggered by an internal IR emitter. There is an optional external IR emitter too, the TMP-PJ2.

But here is the earth shaking stop the Zombie10K press. The unit will also work with Sony's optional RF glasses, the TDG-BT500A, but you will need to add the optional Sony RF emitter, the TMR-RF1. So no more DIY cables and boxes need for RF. NEWS: SONY OFFERS AN OPTIONAL RF EMITTER---THE TMR-RF1 for the 1100ES.

There are revisions to the Auto Iris. Thankfully Sony has not relabeled it as an II or DI. But there are now three dynamic modes rather than 2 They call the AI change, Auto Iris 3 or Revision 3.

The bad news. No CMS and no auto cal.

That's all I can dig out from the brochure that looks different or answers our questions from Cedia.

From what I have been told, the RF info is not correct. The VW1100ES is built on the same chase as the 1000 and uses IR with no optional RF. I went back to Sony and asked this question specifically.

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Link doesn't work.

Works for me. smile.gif

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You may be right. I am just going off the UK brochure. And none of the specs show an output for hooking up any external emitter, regardless of whether IR or RF. If there is a port for an external emitter, than hooking up an RF should be no problem but I think the hook up would disable the internal IR one. The 1000ES has a RJ45 plug for hooking up an external IR emitter and obviously it could be used to hook up an external RF emitter.

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From what I have been told, the RF info is not correct. The VW1100ES is built on the same chase as the 1000 and uses IR with no optional RF. I went back to Sony and asked this question specifically.


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eek.gif Are you sure about this ? ( that would be a big mistake from Sony, if you buy the most expensive projector they offer and it cant what the cheaper VW500 and even the HW55 can confused.gif )

And why then, is it writting on every paper about the 1100ES ( showing the TDG-BT500A glasses ) , the brochure, the spec. etc. seems strange mad.gif

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The issue here is that people want to use IR and RF at the same time, preferring RF but letting their guests use their older IR glasses. IR glasses come with it whether you want them or not.

So regardless of what it actually is, the projector will put out an IR sync and you need to preserve this when using both types of glasses. Fine. We, its rather simplistic, simply design an RF sender that picks up through an IR receiver the IR sync. They already exist. Monster includes an IR dongle in its kit. Nothing connects to the projector. That's it. Everybody is happy. Who cares what Sony does. Its no more difficult than installing an IR repeater.

And if the UK stuff about optional RF is wrong, its really not that big of deal. There is a cheap solution. And please, Sony UK would not have made a major error. Let's just call it a typo. smile.gif

Much more serious is no CMS while the 500/600 includes a CMS. Of course there are external solutions.

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Mike G. As long as you are banging on Sony its time for them to answer some serious questions about the maximum saturation for RG&B each projector can produce with the existing fixed chromatic filters in its respective light engine. One wonders how wide a color space these engines are capable of replicating. The 500/600 does not have a color space wide enough to replicate the DCI color space with its more saturated reds and greens. The 1000/1100ES can do it with the aid of a yellow filter switched in the light path when the DCI space is selected. Of course, filtering costs light out. DCI is no where near as wide as 2020 and I would suspect neither model could come anywhere close to replicating that. X.v. color is possible with both projectors but that basically is a trick using the primaries of rec709.

So here is a question for Sony. What exactly are the max saturations Triluminous can do.

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Triluminous is larger than Rec 709, but not as wide as DCI color space. I did find some talk that stated Triluminous is 75.8% of the CIE 1931 colour space (not confirmed). Trying to get the specs on Triluminous.

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X.v. color uses 0-15 and 241-255 to create in essence negative RGB values and the actual triangle you get is dominated by the luminance value. The primaries for calibration purposes are the rec 709 primaries but the actual color space is wider. Blue is slightly more saturated, red by a noticeable amount and green quite a lot. Yellow is much more saturated. I haven't found an exact area percentage as to how much bigger x.v. color is compared to rec 709 by somewhere between 70 and 80% I would guess. Both the 500/600 and 1000/1100 can do it. The Mastered in 4 K Sony discs are supposedly encoded in it and the Sony server content I assume will also be x.v. color. DCI is not relevant since consumer sources are not available in it but if you are a Big boy and have a commercial theater machine you can get such sources. Neither machine can do ITU2020 and the issue will be what will the color space be for 4K Blurays? My guess is it will be x.v. color. This will purely be a political issue and I think Sony has enough votes to force this result. That's my take.

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It's kind of hard to believe that a typo has a model number.
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X.v. color uses 0-15 and 241-255 to create in essence negative RGB values and the actual triangle you get is dominated by the luminance value. The primaries for calibration purposes are the rec 709 primaries but the actual color space is wider. Blue is slightly more saturated, red by a noticeable amount and green quite a lot. Yellow is much more saturated. I haven't found an exact area percentage as to how much bigger x.v. color is compared to rec 709 by somewhere between 70 and 80% I would guess. Both the 500/600 and 1000/1100 can do it. The Mastered in 4 K Sony discs are supposedly encoded in it and the Sony server content I assume will also be x.v. color. DCI is not relevant since consumer sources are not available in it but if you are a Big boy and have a commercial theater machine you can get such sources. Neither machine can do ITU2020 and the issue will be what will the color space be for 4K Blurays? My guess is it will be x.v. color. This will purely be a political issue and I think Sony has enough votes to force this result. That's my take.

Good summary and it sounds very plausible. smile.gif

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It's kind of hard to believe that a typo has a model number.

Are you referring to the RF glasses? The machine is IR.

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Good summary and it sounds very plausible. smile.gif

Rats. Maybe I should revise it. smile.gif

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Are you referring to the RF glasses? The machine is IR.
The TMR-RF1 emitter.
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Mike. Obviously, we, the AV community, have gotten notice from Sony USA that the coming 1100ES (and the upgrade to the kit for the 1000ES) make no change to the glasses sync system and that it is a built in IR emitter. The specs for the 1100es do no show any connection for an external emitter, regardless of whether IR or RF, but the 1000ES has a RJ45 port for hooking up an external IR emitter which disables the internal one. It seems obvious, that the port could be used to power and provide sync for an external RF emitter.

The problem here re Sony, is that Sony UK published a brochure on the VPL-vw1100ES (which you can click and read in my first post), that says their is an optional external RF emitter and optional RF glasses. Even if this was true and the pictures, optional accessory model numbers etc were not TYPOES (we are cutting Sony UK a break, they need one), if they delved further they would have seen there was no jack listed in the specs to connect an external emitter up and something was inconsistent. But they didn't and thank god, we have more to post about, over and over and over.


There is a solution and an aftermarket RF emitter and glasses can easily be added to operate at the same time as your bevy of IR glasses. See post 15 above.

That's it. Please NO MAS on this subject until we learn for sure whether or not the 1100ES input/output board has a RJ45 etc sync plug or jack..

Let's talk about screens. Yea screens.

How about a DIY 2.35 painted on sheet rock screen for the 1100ES and using a cheap 1080p A lens at minimum throw. Good idea? How can I expect the PQ to improve doing this. Speak up please. I have my bulb on high. Do you think I should spend the extra money for screen goo paint? I found a can of white paint at Home Depot for $8. Looks pretty much the same. Its white, has no lead, and says it goes on easy and doesn't require any priming. I wonder how many 1000ES owners painted their own screens on. What kinda paint did you use? Please take it easy. I have never painted a screen on before. So here I would be a golden newbie.

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mark - the 1000 looks like it has the same 3D sync port as the HW50/HW55.

xl_Sony_VPL-VW1000ES_3_624.jpg

isn't it possible the RF transmitter they mention will use this port on the upgraded motherboard?
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.... Let's talk about screens. ....

Always ready to help out, Mark.

Does anyone know or have any experience with the EluneVision PureBright 4k 240 screen? It seems very similar--in gain, retro-reflectivity, viewing angle, etc.--to the Dalite HP2.4 but claims to be smoother and more '4K capable'. Is it any better re 4K than the HP? Does it approach Mark's Holy Grail of the Stewart Snomatt in smoothness, etc.?
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The 1000ES board has a RJ45 plug for hooking up an external IR emitter. You need to make your own cat5 cable with rj45s on each end and plug one end into the plug hole and the other into the emitter. When you do this, the external emitter is powered up and synced while the internal emitter is disabled. The problem is that the input board is changed, we thing, on the 1100ES and for upgraded 1000ES, and the specs for the 1100ES do not show any 3D sync plug. But who knows, its Sony and maybe there is one. And maybe the Sony RF emitter which looks just like the xpand rf emitter will plug into it. The problem would be the internal IR emitter will be disabled and one would not be able to use all those pairs of IR glasses we have. The best solution is to buy the Monster kit which includes an IR receiver to plug into the RF emitter.

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The 1000ES board has a RJ45 plug for hooking up an external IR emitter. You need to make your own cat5 cable with rj45s on each end and plug one end into the plug hole and the other into the emitter. When you do this, the external emitter is powered up and synced while the internal emitter is disabled. The problem is that the input board is changed, we thing, on the 1100ES and for upgraded 1000ES, and the specs for the 1100ES do not show any 3D sync plug. But who knows, its Sony and maybe there is one. And maybe the Sony RF emitter which looks just like the xpand rf emitter will plug into it. The problem would be the internal IR emitter will be disabled and one would not be able to use all those pairs of IR glasses we have. The best solution is to buy the Monster kit which includes an IR receiver to plug into the RF emitter.

The Sony 1000ES brochures and specs etc all specifically show an RJ45 sync port for external 3D emitters. The brochure and specs etc for the 1100ES make no mention of this port. So I assume it was taken out to provide more room for something else. But I don't know and as the song goes, I really don't care. But tell you what, let's hope its still there and then we can hook up external emitters..

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I hope it's still there when they replace the boards in my 1000 cause I have the external sony emitter hooked up to it now..it's under the screen and works well unless you tilt your head too much but some duct tape cures that
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Hopefully AV Science Sales 5 in his daily nag Sony call will find out it the external RJ45 3D sync port is maintained on the new board for the 1100ES. I think we should all chip in and pay for a direct Red phone hot line from him to the Sony ES product manager.

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