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You have to move your mouse to reveal each shot. Outside of the picture is NNEDI3, inside is Jinc.

Wow, there really is a clear difference between the 2. Thanks. Think I will stick with NNEDI3
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Wow, there really is a clear difference between the 2. Thanks. Think I will stick with NNEDI3

You're welcome.


NNEDI3 is great, I use it to upscale DVDs to 1080p and I can (almost) watch DVDs again!
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The new Nvidia cards with HDMI 2.0 are coming out sooner than I was expecting

http://videocardz.com/52362/only-at-...specifications

The article states the card will be the GTX 980, released on September 19th, 2014.


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The new Nvidia cards with HDMI 2.0 are coming out sooner than I was expecting

http://videocardz.com/52362/only-at-...specifications

The article states the card will be the GTX 980, released on September 19th, 2014.
Thanks Zombie, do you know which level of HDMI 2.0 (A or B) and which version of HDCP? If it doesn't have HDCP 2.2 it's not going to be of much use in an HTPC (unless you really don't care about bluray 4K), and given its release date it's unlikely it does (or it will be a level B).
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my guess is that it's the limited bandwidth and no HDCP 2.2. for round 1. We'll have to wait until one of the tech sites does a deep dive once it's released. I'm mainly interested in UHD gaming right now which the 780 GTX Ti can handle so I wouldn't likely upgrade until it's more future proof.


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my guess is that it's the limited bandwidth and no HDCP 2.2. for round 1. We'll have to wait until one of the tech sites does a deep dive once it's released. I'm mainly interested in UHD gaming right now which the 780 GTX Ti can handle so I wouldn't likely upgrade until it's more future proof.

If it's the limited bandwidth they'll probably have HDCP 2.2. We'll see. For UHD gaming it's going to be while before you need more than 8 bits .


As I'm not really a gamer I'm more of an AMD guy, so hopefully AMD will deliver the goods. They tend to work better in an HTPC in my experience, especially re 3D, black levels, and TMT compatibility.
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If it's the limited bandwidth they'll probably have HDCP 2.2. We'll see. For UHD gaming it's going to be while before you need more than 8 bits .


As I'm not really a gamer I'm more of an AMD guy, so hopefully AMD will deliver the goods. They tend to work better in an HTPC in my experience, especially re 3D, black levels, and TMT compatibility.

Why will gaming only use 8 bits for awhile?
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Why will gaming only use 8 bits for awhile?
Because the amount of data to move in 4K (UHD) in real time at up to 60fps (for fluidity) is huge, so I guess it's going to max at 420 8 bits for a while (for games).


I might be wrong of course


You could get 444 at 60fps in 8 bits with HDMI 2.0 level A though, and that would improve the quality (if the drivers/game devs support it).
If I had to choose between higher frame rates and higher bit depth for games, I'd go for higher frame rates, so I think the next step for games is 444 (for better chroma subsampling) rather than higher bit depth (so they can keep the fps up to 60).

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Because the amount of data to move in 4K (UHD) in real time at up to 60fps (for fluidity) is huge, so I guess it's going to max at 420 8 bits for a while (for games).


I might be wrong of course


You could get 444 at 60fps in 8 bits with HDMI 2.0 level A though, and that would improve the quality (if the drivers/game devs support it).
If I had to choose between higher frame rates and higher bit depth for games, I'd go for higher frame rates, so I think the next step for games is 444 (for better chroma subsampling) rather than higher bit depth (so they can keep the fps up to 60).
I been waiting on the new graphic cards that are hdmi 2.0 to support the higher bandwidth. I know the current cards can do 420 at 8bits now. I guess I still should wait, I don't know.
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I been waiting on the new graphic cards that are hdmi 2.0 to support the higher bandwidth. I know the current cards can do 420 at 8bits now. I guess I still should wait, I don't know.
If they have HDCP 2.2 (which you'll need for Bluray 4K to be playable with licensed players like TMT or PDVD) they won't have the full bandwidth as SI announced recently that the chipsets with both HDMI 2.0 level A and HDCP 2.2 were about to be delivered to manufacturers for the first products to be available by the end of the year. So a release date of 19th of September most likely means either 2.0 level A without HDCP 2.2 or 2.0 level B with HDCP 2.2. There is no way to know which one yet. If you're more into gaming, I'd go for the higher bandwidth. If you want to be able to play Bluray 4K with a BD or BDXL reader, then you need HDCP 2.2. If you want both, I'd wait a few months .
Personally I'm waiting for the first AMD with both HDMI 2.0 level A and HDCP 2.2.

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If they have HDCP 2.2 (which you'll need for Bluray 4K to be playable with licensed players like TMT or PDVD) they won't have the full bandwidth as SI announced recently that the chipsets with both HDMI 2.0 level A and HDCP 2.2 were about to be delivered to manufacturers for the first products to be available by the end of the year. So a release date of 19th of September most likely means either 2.0 level A without HDCP 2.2 or 2.0 level B with HDCP 2.2. There is no way to know which one yet. If you're more into gaming, I'd go for the higher bandwidth. If you want to be able to play Bluray 4K with a BD or BDXL reader, then you need HDCP 2.2. If you want both, I'd wait a few months .
Personally I'm waiting for the first AMD with both HDMI 2.0 level A and HDCP 2.2.
I'll wait. I was just hoping the more bandwidth will bring better graphics.
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Thanks Zombie, do you know which level of HDMI 2.0 (A or B) and which version of HDCP? If it doesn't have HDCP 2.2 it's not going to be of much use in an HTPC (unless you really don't care about bluray 4K), and given its release date it's unlikely it does (or it will be a level B).
It's only a matter of a day or so until the full specs are announced at the Game24 event.

I'd be interested to see how this card copes with NNEDI3 to see if Nvidia can get closer to AMD in that respect.

Be interesting to see how long before AMD announces a new card with HDMI 2.0 as well.

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