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post #211 of 236 Old 09-19-2014, 08:03 AM
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Yeah at higher resolutions its a little underpowered however it overclocks very generously.

Well actually it looks like I am completely wrong. I swear some review site I was reading yesterday showed the 780ti beating the 980 when it came to 4k resolutions in games, but the Anandtech review has the 980 pretty much winning every single contest. Anandtech always knows what they are doing, so I trust that. Looks like this card is a real winner.
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It depends on the game of course, but I did read somewhere it started to lose steam at 4K resolution
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That same anandtech article has good info on the HDMI and H.265 encoding capabilities.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8526/n...x-980-review/5

Thanks, it seems to confirm full HDMI 2.0 bandwidth and at least partial HEVC.


IF HDCP 2.2 is cracked quickly, then these GPUs might be interesting. But if it takes a while, no bluray 4K playback unless GPUs can support HDCP 2.2 in software as suggested.


The initial specs of Bluray 4K are so disappointing that I certainly don't want to spend $1000 on a first gen hardware player, so my HTPC will have to be able to play the first titles.


With TMT sadly out of the arena, let's hope that PowerDVD stays alive while non licensed players catch up with full BD menus support and 3D bluray / MVC playback.

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Well across all of the games that Anandtech looked at, plus the synthetic benchmarks, it won pretty much everything, even at 4k. Be sure to check that review if you didn't already.
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Thanks, it seems to confirm full HDMI 2.0 bandwidth and at least partial HEVC.


IF HDCP 2.2 is cracked quickly, then these GPUs might be interesting. But if it takes a while, no bluray 4K playback unless GPUs can support HDCP 2.2 in software as suggested.


The initial specs of Bluray 4K are so disappointing that I certainly don't want to spend $1000 on a first gen hardware player, so my HTPC will have to be able to play the first titles.


With TMT sadly out of the arena, let's hope that PowerDVD stays alive while non licensed players catch up with full menus support 3D bluray / MVC playback.
I think my main interests right now reside with being able to play current PC games on the Vizio 4k set I have coming next week and plan on using for a pc monitor. With 4k Blu Ray still being a year or so off, I can live with the unknown of whether this card will be great for that or not. Hopefully this one is a top MadVR card as well.
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Thanks, it seems to confirm full HDMI 2.0 bandwidth and at least partial HEVC.


IF HDCP 2.2 is cracked quickly, then these GPUs might be interesting. But if it takes a while, no bluray 4K playback unless GPUs can support HDCP 2.2 in software as suggested.


The initial specs of Bluray 4K are so disappointing that I certainly don't want to spend $1000 on a first gen hardware player, so my HTPC will have to be able to play the first titles.


With TMT sadly out of the arena, let's hope that PowerDVD stays alive while non licensed players catch up with full BD menus support and 3D bluray / MVC playback.

What do you mean TMT is out of the arena? Is the product dead?
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What do you mean TMT is out of the arena? Is the product dead?

Sadly yes http://www.arcsoft.com/forum/forum_p...-theater#54363


It's not officially announced but it's unofficially confirmed.

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I think my main interests right now reside with being able to play current PC games on the Vizio 4k set I have coming next week and plan on using for a pc monitor. With 4k Blu Ray still being a year or so off, I can live with the unknown of whether this card will be great for that or not. Hopefully this one is a top MadVR card as well.

If you're primarily into gaming it looks like a great card. I'm looking at it more from an HTPC point of view, and I don't like to replace my GPUs every year, so I got a 7870 with minimal 4K support to do some tests in 4K (video) and keep me going about a year ago and I'll upgrade again when I get HDCP 2.2, HDMI 2.0 level A and HEVC hardware decoding.


I'm sure it's a great card for MadVR, it has a lot of horsepower, I'll let Madshi comment on that.

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Wow that sucks...
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Wow that sucks...
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I'm sure it's a great card for MadVR, it has a lot of horsepower, I'll let Madshi comment on that.
If you've got the money, the 970 and 980 sure look like *GREAT* cards for madVR. Especially the power per watt ratio seems to be unprecedented - maybe even better than the 750(Ti), and that says a lot. I'd like to see some NNEDI3 benchmarks vs a high-end AMD GPU.
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If you've got the money, the 970 and 980 sure look like *GREAT* cards for madVR. Especially the power per watt ratio seems to be unprecedented - maybe even better than the 750(Ti), and that says a lot. I'd like to see some NNEDI3 benchmarks vs a high-end AMD GPU.
How would you benchmark? I have the 290x now and 980 is on the way
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Where did you find the 980 in stock?
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Where did you find the 980 in stock?
I saw them on newegg this morning
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How would you benchmark? I have the 290x now and 980 is on the way
For example, set MPC-HC to 200% view and playback some 1080p24 file. Then increase the neuron settings until one of the GPUs starts stuttering. Then go back one neuron setting, so both GPUs are fluid. Then compare the render times in the madVR debug OSD (Ctrl+J) to see which GPU has lower rendering times.
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Got my 780ti sold for $550 and ordered the 980 for $569. Sounds good to me!
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For example, set MPC-HC to 200% view and playback some 1080p24 file. Then increase the neuron settings until one of the GPUs starts stuttering. Then go back one neuron setting, so both GPUs are fluid. Then compare the render times in the madVR debug OSD (Ctrl+J) to see which GPU has lower rendering times.
Will do!
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Got my 780ti sold for $550 and ordered the 980 for $569. Sounds good to me!
How do you like your new 980 card?

I just received mine, cant wait to test 4K+madvr pair with my VW1100
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How do you like your new 980 card?

I just received mine, cant wait to test 4K+madvr pair with my VW1100
I w8 my 970 and really i will be thankful if someone post some info of it with madvr and 4k.

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How do you like your new 980 card?

I just received mine, cant wait to test 4K+madvr pair with my VW1100
I like it, but I mainly got it because I also got a Vizio 4k tv and wanted to use it as a computer monitor with that card at 60fps and 4k. But the TV turned out to not do 4:4:4 at 4k / 60hz so text and the computer desktop didnt look great.

On the other hand, I did truly enjoy the "real" 120hz that set could do at 1080p. Since it wasnt frame interpolation but a true 120hz, motion was soooo smooth with no SOE.

But I sent the TV back due to the lack of 4:4:4.
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How do you like your new 980 card?

I just received mine, cant wait to test 4K+madvr pair with my VW1100
Keen to see how this card goes against the R295 with MadVR as well.

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I just bought a vw600es and looking to setup my old gaming pc as htpc. Right now it has a 7970 would running 2 7970 in crossfire help with madvr 1080p to 4k or even getting a newer 970/980 or rx 290 make any difference for upscaling blu rays only. Not worried about gaming just trying to get the best video playback i can.
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I like it, but I mainly got it because I also got a Vizio 4k tv and wanted to use it as a computer monitor with that card at 60fps and 4k. But the TV turned out to not do 4:4:4 at 4k / 60hz so text and the computer desktop didnt look great.

On the other hand, I did truly enjoy the "real" 120hz that set could do at 1080p. Since it wasnt frame interpolation but a true 120hz, motion was soooo smooth with no SOE.

But I sent the TV back due to the lack of 4:4:4.
Silicon Image (SI) has just started shipping their new generation of full bandwidth HDMI 2.0 chips with HDCP 2.2. The first UHD TVs may start showing up within the next couple of months. These may include the Vizio R-series (top of the line Reference series) and Seiki Pro-series of computer monitors and UHD TVs. So today the only UHD TVs equipped with full bandwidth HDMI inputs are from Panasoinic, but these don't support HDCP 2.2 in full bandwidth mode. So you will need to wait until 1st quarter 2015 to get a UHD TV or computer monitor that has both full bandwidth HDMI (to support 4K @ 60Hz using 4:4:4) and also HDCP 2.2 to support Blu-ray 4K and other high quality 4K video sources.

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Few problems for me..
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Am I forced to use 3840x2160 resolution on my 16.9 screen as the 4???X resolution doesnt fit my screen

How does one get madvr setup with my 4k projector? As it seems to revert to 1080p on video playback with MPC-HD.... What settings willl I need to add and change for 4k upscaling?

Disable gpu and It upscaling in my AMD settings?

I have a VW300ES and am utterly lost!!! Trying to get blurays to upscale


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As you resize the image, the player and renderer dynamically change the scaling to fit the pixel count being used. What I would do is send a 3840 x 2160/24 image to the projector. Open your movie in MPC-HC and go full screen. Scaling kicks in automatically. You just need to make sure you have the projector set up so it's only displaying the 1.78:1 AR. Not the 17:9 native. There's an opinion in the menu system for that. I believe it simply blanks those extra horizontal pixels on either side.

What graphics card do you have? If it's powerful enough you may be able to use NNEDI3 scaling which is even better than the JINC scaler built into MadVR.

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Hi thanks

I have a 280x, but plan to buy a 970 soon

Should I turn off reality creation when scaling?

One last thing. What Hz should I set in my AMD settings, 25hz? as my fresh rate.... I do like to do some gaming though as well

Thanks Seegs!!!

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