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post #1 of 29 Old 11-27-2013, 12:01 AM - Thread Starter
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After the may 2013 gossip,

http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.projection-homecinema.fr%2F2013%2F05%2F31%2Fpanasonic-se-retire-t-il-du-marche-des-projecteurs-home-cinema%2F

Now it's no more a goosip, it's a fact ! PANASONIC leave the projector market :

http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.projection-homecinema.fr%2F2013%2F05%2F31%2Fpanasonic-se-retire-t-il-du-marche-des-projecteurs-home-cinema%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.projection-homecinema.fr%2F2013%2F11%2F27%2Fpanasonic-arrete-les-projecteurs%2F

Bad time for the projectors eek.gifrolleyes.gif
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Oh No I was really looking forward to what they were going to do with 4K & all the improvements Panasonic would have (will?) come out with for home theater projection. Kraine could you re link the article the current link is broken thanks
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wow, I think many had speculated this would happen after shutting down the plasma division.

this basically leaves Epson, Sony and JVC as the key players.
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But no definitive source is quoted, like a Panasonic press release.

While this might be true, I'd hold off on the wake until we get something a little more credible.

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If this is true then we have a problem. Less competition is not a good thing with respect to innovation and pricing. Who's next?
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Been expecting this.

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I have known this for months.

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That's a bummer. What's going on? Is the projector market shrinking that much? (And why?...you'd think if anything the manufacturers rush to 4K would give larger image sizes, the domain of projectors, a shot in the arm)
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I believe they are only leaving the home theater market, they are still going to be doing it for Business/pro end.
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There are a bunch of reasons they didn't have greater success and profit in the consumer HT projector market other than performance. Panasonic US made a lot of mistakes here.

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I have known this for months.

Hi Mark and the others, Panasonic France (Pro projectors) officially denie this information today. I have put their answer inside the article with the other sources wich are saying totally the opposite. tongue.gif

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/2013/11/27/panasonic-arrete-les-projecteurs/

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http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.projection-homecinema.fr%2F2013%2F11%2F27%2Fpanasonic-arrete-les-projecteurs%2F
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If this is true then we have a problem. Less competition is not a good thing with respect to innovation and pricing. Who's next?


Exactly. I hope this ends up not being true!

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Sad news if it turns out to be true.

Hopefully, my Epson 5020, and Sharp 30k will hold me over until 4k becomes affordable in either projection, or gigantic OLED format.
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What's going on?

How about high unemployment and shrinking wages for those lucky enough to have a job?

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Panasonic's changing completely the way to do business (they got tired in very low profit and even losing money). So they went into big industry, not end-user anymore. See what happened to plasma? Projector wouldn't be different.

Not a surprise at all.

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That's a bummer. What's going on? Is the projector market shrinking that much? (And why?...you'd think if anything the manufacturers rush to 4K would give larger image sizes, the domain of projectors, a shot in the arm)

I don't think the projector market was ever all that big to begin with. With large flat screens hitting the market at lower and lower prices I don't think there will be much of a home theater projector market in 5 years.
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I don't think the projector market was ever all that big to begin with. With large flat screens hitting the market at lower and lower prices I don't think there will be much of a home theater projector market in 5 years.

I can see the projector market shrinking with increasingly large flat panels coming down in price. But I'd still expect (hope!!!) good projectors to be available for many years, given there are plenty of people
with money who will continue to want far larger images than any flat panel will produce for a long time. (And the move to 4K will only push screen sizes larger).
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I can see the projector market shrinking with increasingly large flat panels coming down in price. But I'd still expect (hope!!!) good projectors to be available for many years, given there are plenty of people
with money who will continue to want far larger images than any flat panel will produce for a long time. (And the move to 4K will only push screen sizes larger).

I think it is going to be a long time before I see a 9' wide flat panel that is anywhere near affordable and have the picture quality of something like a VW600ES.

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I think it is going to be a long time before I see a 9' wide flat panel that is anywhere near affordable and have the picture quality of something like a VW600ES.

The market for 15k projectors is probably in the thousands in the US maybe. The vast majority of the rest of us don't spend anywhere near that amount. I saw an 80 inch LCD panel at Costco and it was below 5k, forget exactly. For most this is all they would ever want. Of course for those who have dedicated home theaters projectors will likely be the first choice, but for everyone else flat panels will likely be more and more popular and the projector market will get smaller and smaller.
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The market for 15k projectors is probably in the thousands in the US maybe. The vast majority of the rest of us don't spend anywhere near that amount. I saw an 80 inch LCD panel at Costco and it was below 5k, forget exactly. For most this is all they would ever want. Of course for those who have dedicated home theaters projectors will likely be the first choice, but for everyone else flat panels will likely be more and more popular and the projector market will get smaller and smaller.

Then let me change that to an entry level JVC filling a 9' wide screen. That can be had for under 5k. What I am saying, we are a long ways away from having any flat panel 9' wide anywhere near affordable. A flat panel that size would make the 15k VW600ES look like a bargain.

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We have a 105" wide Seymour AV Centerstage scope AT screen in our HT. (16:9 is right at 91" diag) Between the projector and screen we spent less than $4K. I don't see that happening anytime soon with any other tech.wink.gif
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Sorry Guys but according PANASONIC FRANCE this information is wrong and Panasonic will shown new Models this year at ISE 2014.
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Wow. Even more than one model you said.

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Wow. Even more than one model you said.

This was the official answer from Panasonic Mark, let see what really happen in a not too far future. cool.gif
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Great news(if it is true that Panasonic is in fact continuing to produce home theater PJs).

Panasonic has a lot to offer in the projector domain.

Ironically my appreciation for panasonic projectors has increased since I have been an owner of a Sony 1000es.
Being able to side by side test a Panny ae2000 with one of the best(if not the best) projectors out there has accentuated in my opinion, Pansonic's ability to produce great quality at very affordable prices.
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Great news(if it is true that Panasonic is in fact continuing to produce home theater PJs).

Panasonic has a lot to offer in the projector domain.

Ironically my appreciation for panasonic projectors has increased since I have been an owner of a Sony 1000es.
Being able to side by side test a Panny ae2000 with one of the best(if not the best) projectors out there has accentuated in my opinion, Pansonic's ability to produce great quality at very affordable prices.

Ae2000 or did you mean ae8000
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Ae2000 or did you mean ae8000

I did mean the AE2000!
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I have been holding off buying a bulb for my Epson 5010 hoping Panasonic would come out with something new. I loved my AE2000. I mostly miss Smoothscreen, but other things, like motorized zoom/focus and perfect panel alignment were nice too. This being my third 5010 after the first two had to be replaced, I would like to go back to Panasonic. This 5010 is having it's own issues too. it failed to start this afternoon. I had to unplug it to reset it. I am not a fan of Epson Quality Control, but their support is great.
I am tempted by the Sony 4k projector, but I hate to invest that much when I think much better things are coming soon, like the announced/retracted RED Laser 4k passive 3D projector. That is what I really want.
I don't see this projector making it much longer though.
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