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Budget +/- 10K- ? 

 

Dedicated home theater with no windows - but would still like it bright - 

 

Could purchase right away or wait until after CES/2014?

 

Any opinions appreciated - Thanks,

 

Happy Thanksgiving!

 

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currently have 3 year old 'starter' panny 100au - 720 - which is reason for upgrade -

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That is a nice sized room / screen (looks great btw!) - have you considered the Sony VW600? This would be a good choice and not too far off your 10k price range.

Do you have a neutral gain screen?
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That is a nice sized room / screen (looks great btw!) - have you considered the Sony VW600? This would be a good choice and not too far off your 10k price range.

Do you have a neutral gain screen?

 

Thanks for the suggestion - I'll research it - Seems like a new release and 4K too!

 

I 'wrestle' with understanding brightness requirements   - room is 17' wide x 33' long - PJ hidden in ceiling soffit - Screen is neutral - 

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wow, how did you resist upgrading all these years? smile.gif

This would be a substantial upgrade in every regard. Color, contrast, resolution, etc. Look through the various threads here for user input, there's a number of current owners reporting in with relatively large screen sizes. Based on the specs of the Panasonic, if your pleased with the current brightness then the VW600 will be a good fit here with many other advantages.

btw, you'll find info/comments on the Sony VW500 which is the same projector outside the US. The VW600 is due to land in the US any day now and we will have one in for review soon.


edit: start here for some recent comments from new owners:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1499136/sony-vpl-vw500es-with-some-pics-its-simply-awesome
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Going from that Panny 100au to a Sony VW600 would blow your mind !! smile.gif

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Going from that Panny 100au to a Sony VW600 would blow your mind !! smile.gif

Somehow I knew I would meet friends here!

 

the only problem is now I'm reading the 1100 thread and contemplating!

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Somehow I knew I would meet friends here!

the only problem is now I'm reading the 1100 thread and contemplating!

Well jump right in why don't ya! I have the vw1000 and can say that I'd buy it all over again.

Welcome to the forums and happy hunting.
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If you can afford the Sony 1100, go for it. right up there with the best on the market, and 4K.
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Well jump right in why don't ya! I have the vw1000 and can say that I'd buy it all over again.

Welcome to the forums and happy hunting.

As a current owner too....................I fully agree!

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Thanks everyone - I just signed up for a new VW600 - so will report back once it's installed - I appreciate the recommendations!

 

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Does the Sony have enough calibrated lumens for a 180" screen?
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Thanks everyone - I just signed up for a new VW600 - so will report back once it's installed - I appreciate the recommendations!

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Does the Sony have enough calibrated lumens for a 180" screen?

Maybe someone can answer this better than me - My screen doesn't have any gain - and if it's ultimately not bright enough, I will look at something else. I'm optimistic I'll like it - but we will see..

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Was you satisfied with the brightness of your Panasonic? If so, I think you would be fine with the Sony brightness
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It would be barely bright enough, and you might have to change lamps more frequently. A SIM Super Lumis would be better. Different price category though, even with SIM's special holiday pricing.

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Hopefully it will be bright enough - seems possibly borderline. Only seeing it will be the proof either way for me..

 

Seems like a challenging time when you want latest technology + performance + large screen venue. With 4K and 3D as a qualifyer, many PJ's seem to be off the list so far.. Even the 1100 didn't seem that much brighter at all for the $$….

 

Thanks again for everyone's help,

 

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I think you will so wowed by the image that you will forget about the xtra brightness of the panny! As far as the 3 chip dips for the 30k plus price point the sony is a much better buy in terms of technological advancements and value.

Enjoy!
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you will need to Mount it as close as posible to the screen for maximum brightness ( I would expect 12 -16 fL with new lamp, if your screen is 1.0 gain in reality )

and you can get a Little additional light with using the 2.35:1 zoom mode ( use the full 4096x2160 panel - about 10 - 15 % )



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BTW. I think it was a good choice smile.gif
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I think you will so wowed by the image that you will forget about the xtra brightness of the panny! As far as the 3 chip dips for the 30k plus price point the sony is a much better buy in terms of technological advancements and value.

Enjoy!





The Panny is not brighter then the 500/600ES in calibreted to D65 ( wich I asume he is doing )

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I don't have any info on a PT-AU100, if that is what you have (that model seems to have been only sold in Asia). What was the rated lumens for your model? The more common older 720p Panasonic models, such as the PT-AX100U, may put out nearly 2000 lumens in dynamic mode (a very inaccurate mode) but only puts out around 700 lumens in its more accurate cinema mode (factory setting without additional calibration). While the Sony VW600 in it brightest model may only be similar to the PT-AX100U in it brightest mode, when the Sony is set to a factory cinema mode it should be about double the lumens output of the Panasonic operated in its cinema mode..

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Ron,

 

Thanks for the clarification - you are right - I have the 720 AX100U - around 2000 advertised lumens that I always run in dynamic mode -  So it sounds like I'll be making a similar judgement call related to quality vs brightness -

 

DJ, My room is already set up with a hidden alcove for the PJ - 21' back or so, so no chance of moving it forward - even though that sounds like a good way to make it brighter. Thanks for the suggestion.

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180" scope is almost 14' wide. I thought largest screen for vw1000 was 12' wide, and vw500/600 isn't as bright.

Other brightness related factors to consider:
  • Looks like you have an AT screen, which can net out @ lower gain than the material itself is rated at.
  • Without an a-lens you won't have all the brightness the projector can output for use on a 2.35:1 screen. The Sony has an odd aspect ratio and needs a special a-lens if you want to use all the light.
  • If you can't move the projector so you're at the shortest throw possible, you will loose light output.

I want to do a similar sized screen. Design says 13' wide scope, but I'm afraid that will be too small. Problem has been finding anything bright enough for 3D with decent low light performance at an affordable price. I had high hopes something brighter than the vw1000 was in the pipeline, but all Sony came out with in consumer space was the 500/600 which was lower brightness / lower cost. Would be great if the Sony could light a big screen, but I didn't think so.

If you get one, let us know what you think.

 

 

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I'll measure the screen again so I'm stating real dimensions. As I remember it, it's 176" or 179" diagonal and 13' wide. I'm pretty sure I went with 16:9 aspect, so the dimensions should reflect that. I know it fits the panansonic projection window perfectly. I can't remember if I measured the frame in the dimensions either - so need to remeasure, restate these and clarify.

 

The 1000 says on the sony website for screen up to 200", so I'm not so confident either way. 

 

I'm fully baked in on location and size, etc, so no changing that.. Here's a link to the original thread build I did 6 years ago.

 

http://www.avsforum.com/t/948256/room-size-17-x-33-with-176-diagonal-screen-x-9-seat-theater

 

I've got the opportunity to get something else if I don't like the result, so one is ordered and on the way in a week or so, hopefully.

 

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If it isn't bright enough, the SIM Super Lumis is on special sale until the end of the year - " Brightness up to 5000 ANSI Lumens, dimmable up to 80% " ! eek.gif

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I've ordered the 1100ES and also hope to project onto a 75 in/ height x 170 in wide (2.35:1) - I'm able to do this currently with Epson 5020 and the Panamorph Cinevista but not happy with the resolution after using the a-lens and blowing up an image that was already at 2.1x zoom (2D closeups look incredibly good and 3D animation looks excellent - somehow the 2D leaves a lot to be desired in terms of PQ after the a-lens blow-up). I hope Sony's PQ 4K upscaling sharpness will more than compensate for any minor brightness deficiencies...
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BTW, do I need a 3D Sync Transmitter? Read somewhere that 3D is good for 120 in diagonal....but I'll have a much bigger screen (75 in x 170 in)
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Thanks to the initial recommendation by Zombie , I've received and now testing the new 600 - it's absolutely bright enough and it's absolutely amazing. the best projector I've ever seen- more later….

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Thanks to the initial recommendation by Zombie , I've received and now testing the new 600 - it's absolutely bright enough and it's absolutely amazing. the best projector I've ever seen- more later….


You really need to see the 1000ES...........wink.gif
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