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If you wait a little while, SpectraCal should eventually upgrade CalMAN to support automatic calibration of this year's JVC projectors. That way you can use an Xrite meter pointed at the screen to automatically calibrate the projector and won't be tied to JVC's somewhat limited method. I used the CalMAN autocal process with an Xrite i1D3 when I still had my 4810 and it worked great.

So, you didn't need an external CMS for the Calman and RS4810?

Edit: The auto cal with Calman I meant.
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So, you didn't need an external CMS for the Calman and RS4810?

Edit: The auto cal with Calman I meant.
Nope, you connect your computer to the projector via Ethernet or RS232 and CalMAN controls the projector directly. It uses the built-in JVC CMS and is even able to calibrate gamma using more points (21 IIRC) than what's available in the JVC's menus.
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Nope, you connect your computer to the projector via Ethernet or RS232 and CalMAN controls the projector directly. It uses the built-in JVC CMS and is even able to calibrate gamma using more points (21 IIRC) than what's available in the JVC's menus.

That's neat, hopefully they are able to update this for this years models
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That's neat, hopefully they are able to update this for this years models

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Once they receive projector samples from JVC Spectracal will be able to implement the updated process. I have used the Autocal feature and it really does a great job.


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I guess now I'm getting the eeColor lux box. I was thinking about buying a Radiance 2041 but I'm going to let my Oppo 103D do the processing and scaling. Plus, the eeColor gives me the chance to do a much bigger lux, 3375pt auto cal compared to 729pt auto cal by the Radiance 2041. Eshift should not be a problem with the 1080p box, since its still a 1080p projector. I'm curious to see how this will turn out.

What setting are you guys using with the DI?
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I guess now I'm getting the eeColor lux box. I was thinking about buying a Radiance 2041 but I'm going to let my Oppo 103D do the processing and scaling. Plus, the eeColor gives me the chance to do a much bigger lux, 3375pt auto cal compared to 729pt auto cal by the Radiance 2041. Eshift should not be a problem with the 1080p box, since its still a 1080p projector. I'm curious to see how this will turn out.

What setting are you guys using with the DI?

I assume you have no interest in 3D blurays or will bypass the eecolor - as in not physically in the video chain - when playing 3D blurays? It's HDMI 1.3 and unable to passthrough (even less calibrate) 3D blurays, unlike the Radiance.
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I assume you have no interest in 3D blurays or will bypass the eecolor - as in not physically in the video chain - when playing 3D blurays? It's HDMI 1.3 and unable to passthrough (even less calibrate) 3D blurays, unlike the Radiance.

If I will probably not watch 3D that much. I really just started. 95% is definitely 2D
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If I will probably not watch 3D that much. I really just started. 95% is definitely 2D
The problem is not how much 3D you watch, it's that the eecolor has to be taken physically out to the video chain to be able to watch any 3D.
So either you watch no 3D blurays at all, or you have switches in place to bybass the eecolor when watching (uncalibrated) 3D.
The eecolor is a great LUT box, but the fact that it doesn't passthrough 3D blurays is the main reason why I don't have one.
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The problem is not how much 3D you watch, it's that the eecolor has to be taken physically out to the video chain to be able to watch any 3D.
So either you watch no 3D blurays at all, or you have switches in place to bybass the eecolor when watching (uncalibrated) 3D.
The eecolor is a great LUT box, but the fact that it doesn't passthrough 3D blurays is the main reason why I don't have one.

I'm using the Oppo 103D. So my Mit HC8000, DPI LED, and new RS49 is going through a splitter to the hdmi 1 with the Darbee, the hdmi 2 is audio to my avr, and ill probably just use my Mit HC8000 as my output on my avr. Ill just do a basic primary and secondary cal with the 3D, which should be perfectly fine
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The problem is not how much 3D you watch, it's that the eecolor has to be taken physically out to the video chain to be able to watch any 3D.
So either you watch no 3D blurays at all, or you have switches in place to bybass the eecolor when watching (uncalibrated) 3D.
The eecolor is a great LUT box, but the fact that it doesn't passthrough 3D blurays is the main reason why I don't have one.
Same here.
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Hi Lads,

 

So for those who had issues with HDMI 2 and Native resolution 4k, didn't pick up, x500r with latest ifrmware 1210.3 will resolve those issues. Everything now picks up as suppose to be. Previously I mentioned I thought 3D top and bottom didn't work, it actually works fine, but you'll have to stream your content (if streaming from PC) at 1080p@24Hz, otherwise this setting won't be working.

 

Now very happy as everything functions as it should, awaiting for my elite 135UH black screen, to enjoy better quality and will calibrate, once Calman will release update for AutoCal X500R.

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Received official reply from SpectraCal:

 

Hi Sergej,

We are still waiting on JVC to get their API and documentation in order to add support.  Once we have everything we need, we intend to give it a high priority, but until then we can't give any estimates.


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Hi, That's a "score 1" for the JVC. My logical question is - your friend with the HW55ES: Which did he like better?

Now if he also prefers yours, that's an indication.

When it comes down to comparing two excellent projectors, there's probably a a high likelihood that owners will favor their own.

Of course there are lots of differences that can have bearing. For example, the Sony probably measures about 25-40% brighter calibrated. And of course the JVC has higher native contrast. -art
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Greetings all, I've got a JVC problem. That is, I can't seem to get JVC to send me an X500R to review. I know they were waiting for some new firmware (from following these threads), and that was cited as the main problem.

But, I really want to get one in, in the next few weeks so I can publish in April. People keep asking us "when".

Projector Reviews is out of San Clemente California (Orange County). If anyone's fairly local, and has one, and they can live without it for 1 week, so I can review it, I can return it fully calibrated by Mike (THX certified) who does all our calibrations.

Any takers out there? If so, drop me an email to reviewer @ projectorreviews.com Thanks! -art

Ditto for an X700R or X900R! I'd especially love to bring in an X900R to shoot out with the true 4K Sony VW600ES that I have here (while I still have it). BTW, no offense to JVC, but true 4K content on the Sony is in a whole different league than anything last year's JVC's could do. I know that the new JVCs can accept 4K content, but those pixels are still "super-sized". Even on 2K content, nothing that's come through here can beat the VW600ES in detail, but when I fire up true 4K content, its a whole different level of play. -art
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Greetings all, I've got a JVC problem. That is, I can't seem to get JVC to send me an X500R to review. I know they were waiting for some new firmware (from following these threads), and that was cited as the main problem.

But, I really want to get one in, in the next few weeks so I can publish in April. People keep asking us "when".

Projector Reviews is out of San Clemente California (Orange County). If anyone's fairly local, and has one, and they can live without it for 1 week, so I can review it, I can return it fully calibrated by Mike (THX certified) who does all our calibrations.

Any takers out there? If so, drop me an email to reviewer @ projectorreviews.com Thanks! -art

Ditto for an X700R or X900R! I'd especially love to bring in an X900R to shoot out with the true 4K Sony VW600ES that I have here (while I still have it). BTW, no offense to JVC, but true 4K content on the Sony is in a whole different league than anything last year's JVC's could do. I know that the new JVCs can accept 4K content, but those pixels are still "super-sized". Even on 2K content, nothing that's come through here can beat the VW600ES in detail, but when I fire up true 4K content, its a whole different level of play. -art

There was one firmware release for HDMI issues and currently waiting on a second firmware release for better anamorphic lens support.

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There was one firmware release for HDMI issues and currently waiting on a second firmware release for better anamorphic lens support.

Will it be the same process of firmware update as previously ?

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Will it be the same process of firmware update as previously ?

Yes. If you are not using an A-lens, then I would not both.

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BTW, no offense to JVC, but true 4K content on the Sony is in a whole different league than anything last year's JVC's could do. I know that the new JVCs can accept 4K content, but those pixels are still "super-sized". Even on 2K content, nothing that's come through here can beat the VW600ES in detail, but when I fire up true 4K content, its a whole different level of play. -art

For twice the price of a X700 or RS-57 the Sony 600ES better be in a different league especially when viewing 4K content. And comparing the Sony to last years models... not sure the projectors should even be compared to one another. If the difference was night and day with 2K video and the price was similar, then I think your statement would be useful. But comparing projectors at two different price points with two different (for lack of a better words) mechanical systems..... ehhhh.
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Greetings all, I've got a JVC problem. That is, I can't seem to get JVC to send me an X500R to review. I know they were waiting for some new firmware (from following these threads), and that was cited as the main problem.

But, I really want to get one in, in the next few weeks so I can publish in April. People keep asking us "when".

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Any takers out there? If so, drop me an email to reviewer @ projectorreviews.com Thanks! -art

Ditto for an X700R or X900R! I'd especially love to bring in an X900R to shoot out with the true 4K Sony VW600ES that I have here (while I still have it). BTW, no offense to JVC, but true 4K content on the Sony is in a whole different league than anything last year's JVC's could do. I know that the new JVCs can accept 4K content, but those pixels are still "super-sized". Even on 2K content, nothing that's come through here can beat the VW600ES in detail, but when I fire up true 4K content, its a whole different level of play. -art

Art shoot me an email with your shipping address. smile.gif

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Bought 1 pair of valueview 3d rf glasses but I don't think they are compatible with the estar emitter.Can someone recommend some cheap 3d glasses to pair up with estar emitter and my jvc 4910
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Bought 1 pair of valueview 3d rf glasses but I don't think they are compatible with the estar emitter.Can someone recommend some cheap 3d glasses to pair up with estar emitter and my jvc 4910

The estar glasses are going to be the cheapest compatible glasses.

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Bought 1 pair of valueview 3d rf glasses but I don't think they are compatible with the estar emitter.Can someone recommend some cheap 3d glasses to pair up with estar emitter and my jvc 4910
estar glasses are cheapest that work with emitter. Bit cauldron uses different rf than others
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Bought 1 pair of valueview 3d rf glasses but I don't think they are compatible with the estar emitter.Can someone recommend some cheap 3d glasses to pair up with estar emitter and my jvc 4910

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The estar glasses are going to be the cheapest compatible glasses.

If you order the glasses from Amazon use the code A3DBREAK for 5% off. Not much but better than nothing. smile.gif
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I have 4 pairs of the EStar glasses and I love them. They're more comfortable compared to the other glasses I've treid (XPand 103's, MonsterVision, Mitsubishi's proprietary glasses) have a very light tint, and seem to show less ghosting compared to the other brand glasses. I'm excited to check out the Sharp G20's Zombie recommended for the Sharp XV-Z30000 I'll be getting next week.

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Which Monster glasses did you have, the RF version?
So the Estar are better than the Monster, hmmm...

Interesting, I've found the monster glasses pretty good, what makes the estar better?

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I didn't realize the MonsterVision glasses came in an IR version? These are the MonsterVision glasses I was using before. The EStar are the newest BitCouldron glasses, the BC6000's, whereas the MonsterVision use the older BitCouldron glasses, the BC5000's. Overall I like the tint better on them, the LCDs are most likely faster which explains the better crosstalk handling I saw in a direct comparison between the two and I thought the newer ones were lighter and more comfortable. Plus the best part is they're cheaper than the MonsterVision glasses/emitter. The new Optoma glasses that come with the HD91 are the BC6000's. Zombie likes them too.

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I didn't realize the MonsterVision glasses came in an IR version? These are the MonsterVision glasses I was using before. The EStar are the newest BitCouldron glasses, the BC6000's, whereas the MonsterVision use the older BitCouldron glasses, the BC5000's. Overall I like the tint better on them, the LCDs are most likely faster which explains the better crosstalk handling I saw in a direct comparison between the two and I thought the newer ones were lighter and more comfortable. Plus the best part is they're cheaper than the MonsterVision glasses/emitter. The new Optoma glasses that come with the HD91 are the BC6000's. Zombie likes them too.
i believe monster glaases are all rf but some came with ir to rf converter to use with ir 3d display
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I recently bought the 4910 (thanks Mike @AVS) and a new Oppo 105D universal player. I have the Anthem D2 AV/processor as well.

I am trying to get the best image I can out of my new projector and set up. Based on what I have read here, it seems that most folks here like to feed a video signal directly from the Player (Oppo 105D in my case) to the 4910 bypassing the A/V Processor (the Anthem D2 in my case).

Questions:
1. What would I be gaining bypassing the A/V Processor (Anthem D2)? (Note: I have other devices/sources connected to the D2 via HDMI connections (Roku, AppleTV, FiosTV). The Anthem D2 helps me "route" the video signal from each source to the projector.)
2. I only have one HDMI cable going to the JVC Projector, therefore I would have to use a HDMI switcher to feed it two HDMI cables one from the Oppo and the other from the D2 (with the AppleTV, Roku, Fios signals). Any particular switcher recommended? (I have an old Monoprice switch around).
3. This might not be a question for this forum, but just in case: Would it be possible to feed all the video signals (Roku, AppleTV, FiosTV) through the Oppo to take advantage of its processing capabilities and then connect the Oppo directly to the JVC projector?

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Just started playing with 3D using the JVC emitter and Xpand 105 glasses on my 4910 and I have a problem -- I see ghosts! My demo material is Star Trek into Darkness 3D and I very often see halos/ghosts/crosstalk around faces in particular. Furthermore there is a lot of perceived motion blur beyond what I see in 2D. I find it unwatchable.

Running on high lamp with high CMD. Parallax & crosstalk cancel parameters change but do not eliminate this. 100" wide scope screen unity gain viewing from 9 feet away, using zoom not anamorphic lens.

Has anyone else successfully used the Xpand 105 in place of the JVC glasses, i.e. could it be the glasses? Or am I just too sensitive to these effects?
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