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I would not use that calculator period. Best way is to read reviews. From there you can find out the projector lumens, multiply by screen gain and divide by screen area in square feet. Here are aproxamately the high lamp calibrated lumens.

5020, 675
4910, 900
VW600, 1,500

How do you figure screen size when using the zoom method on a scope screen? Also, how would you calculate for using low lamp mode instead of high?
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I gave you the lumens numbers for calibrated in best image mode, high lamp. You can put the Epson in living room mode and get around 1,200 lumens.

Ah, I misunderstood - thanks for that !

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How do you figure screen size when using the zoom method on a scope screen? Also, how would you calculate for using low lamp mode instead of high?

Take the width of the scope screen, divide by 1.78 to calculate the 16:9 screen height. (this is because the projector is projecting a 16:9 image)
Multiple height (inches) by width (inches), then divide by 144 to get square feet.
Take lumens, multiply by actual screen gain and divide by screen area calculated above.
Remember lumens at short throw is different than lumens at long throw.

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Just read Art's partially completed review of the RS4910. They say they got 1200 calibrated lumens out of his sample! Wondering why that is so much higher than every other number out there . . .

I measured around 950 lumens in my theater, with about 2 hours on the lamp, " quasi - calibrated ".

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Take the width of the scope screen, multiply by 1.78 to calculate the 16:9 screen height. (this is because the projector is projecting a 16:9 image)
Multiple height (inches) by width (inches), then divide by 144 to get square feet.
Take lumens, multiply by actual screen gain and divide by screen area calculated above.
Remember lumens at short throw is different than lumens at long throw.

Or in other words, just pretend it is a 16x9 screen with width equal to that of the 2.35 image. Cause that's exactly what it is smile.gif

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Take the width of the scope screen, multiply by 1.78 to calculate the 16:9 screen height. (this is because the projector is projecting a 16:9 image).

I think you mean divide by 1.78?

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I think you mean divide by 1.78?

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I think you mean divide by 1.78?

Sorry, I was on hold with Sony support (twice, for over an hour the second time) when typing those posts. Yes, divide screen width by 1.78 to get the 16:9 height of the screen. Sorry about that. Gave up on reaching Sony support today. frown.gif

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You are seeing the banding as well? That stinks as this is a feature I like to use on all things animated. Hope JVC can fix this!

Yeah, I actually noticed it a few times before reading it here but didn't think that much of it. I see it more now that I am aware of others having issues. I don't think I've noticed it in animated movies though but the only one I've watched recently was Frozen. Even still, I can guarantee you with the handful of times you see it will be miles better than the CMD on the RS45. smile.gif The HW50ES was a nice improvement over the RS45 I had and now that I have the RS4910 it is also a nice improvement over the HW50. I don't think I could go back to the HW50 now as I've grown accustomed to the nicer black levels and really dark scenes are a nice step up over the RS45. It would be nice if JVC could resolve this in a firmware upgrade but I'm not holding my breath.
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I am very surprised that Sony allows one of its biggest and most reputable and valued distributors (AVS) to have to wait over an hour or more on hold on the phone like the rest of us. After all that, Sony is still not available. Shame on Sony for this type of business practice. Kudos to AVS.
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I am very surprised that Sony allows one of its biggest and most reputable and valued distributors (AVS) to have to wait over an hour or more on hold on the phone like the rest of us. After all that, Sony is still not available. Shame on Sony for this type of business practice. Kudos to AVS.

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My screen is 105" wide. 2.35-Height is 44.6", would be 58.8" for as 16:9 that wide. Came up with right at 43 square feet. 900 calibrated lumens divided by 43= 20.93, so about 21 FL? My screen gain is 1.0. I'm running in low lamp mode-Does anybody have an idea how much that drops the output?
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So the latest firmware introduces banding with CMD and the MPC controls no longer work?

Has anyone contacted JVC and are they working a third firmware update?
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Just read Art's partially completed review of the RS4910. They say they got 1200 calibrated lumens out of his sample! Wondering why that is so much higher than every other number out there . . .

I got 1075 lumens with 25hrs on my lamp
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So the latest firmware introduces banding with CMD and the MPC controls no longer work?

Has anyone contacted JVC and are they working a third firmware update?


I would like to know this as well. Thinking about getting a 4910 soon, but only if these two issues are resolved.

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So the latest firmware introduces banding with CMD and the MPC controls no longer work?

AFAIK, the MPC slider issue has not been addressed yet (by any firmware update). A few have complained about vertical banding with CMD on; I use it all the time and haven't noticed it (but then, I'm not looking for it since I'm too busy enjoying the movie).

There are remaining issues to be solved for sure but there's no doubt that these projectors throw a fabulous image. The second patch seems to have resolved the stability issues (at least for me).
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So the latest firmware introduces banding with CMD and the MPC controls no longer work?

Has anyone contacted JVC and are they working a third firmware update?

I don't know whether the update introduced the banding. I think not, but I didn't really notice it until it was mentioned here right after I applied the latest firmware, but now I see banding often if I'm not fully engrossed in the material.

Can't comment on the MPC but I don't think mine works unless it's just subtle, haven't tested much.

I haven't yet contacted JVC about the banding, I think Mike has about the MPC.

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Is the Banding only when using CMD?

what if you have CMD off?
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Banding only with CMD on. The banding only tends to be visible in certain regions of certain scenes.

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I am very surprised that Sony allows one of its biggest and most reputable and valued distributors (AVS) to have to wait over an hour or more on hold on the phone like the rest of us. After all that, Sony is still not available. Shame on Sony for this type of business practice. Kudos to AVS.

Maybe for projectors. But for a company as a whole, AVS is very small (no offense!) compared to something like Best Buy, etc. Even so, when one does have a bat phone (e.g. sales rep for your account, etc.), they're also juggling many other accounts, so you still may not get a hold of them quickly either.
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Maybe for projectors. But for a company as a whole, AVS is very small (no offense!) compared to something like Best Buy, etc

We are small, but that enables us to give personal service. And, Mike and I built our own home theaters. We are home theater nuts just like the rest of you. I doubt the salesperson at Best Buy can say the same . smile.gif

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We are small, but that enables us to give personal service. And, Mike and I built our own home theaters. We are home theater nuts just like the rest of you. I doubt the salesperson at Best Buy can say the same . smile.gif

If you are not in a Magnolia store, they will most likely not know anything about projectors. At least that has been my finding from the 20 or so I have been in. smile.gif

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Using Blu-Ray as the source:


What is the general settings that everyone is using for the Iris? Mode one or two?
What setting on the MPC is best?
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If you are not in a Magnolia store, they will most likely not know anything about projectors. At least that has been my finding from the 20 or so I have been in. smile.gif

This is not the case in my area. The times I've tried to take a look at any Sony projectors (HW30, HW50, etc) they are hung from the ceiling, but not running. When I ask as to "why" the response is the same in each store "We don't have the Sony running because the only video connection run to the projector is.. COMPOSITE.. " In defense of the people working in the Magnolia section, they were very frustrated and quite annoyed the management ordered them to not run HDMI to the projector. Which is odd, since the much cheaper 3D DLP projector in the next room was running with HDMI, and shining onto a Black Diamond screen..which looked horrible..

On another note my lamp started flickering at about 140 hours as well. Switching to high lamp for a bit, helped clear it up. Find it odd a few of us have had the lamp start flickering around the same number of hours.
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This is not the case in my area. The times I've tried to take a look at any Sony projectors (HW30, HW50, etc) they are hung from the ceiling, but not running. When I ask as to "why" the response is the same in each store "We don't have the Sony running because the only video connection run to the projector is.. COMPOSITE.. " In defense of the people working in the Magnolia section, they were very frustrated and quite annoyed the management ordered them to not run HDMI to the projector. Which is odd, since the much cheaper 3D DLP projector in the next room was running with HDMI, and shining onto a Black Diamond screen..which looked horrible..

On another note my lamp started flickering at about 140 hours as well. Switching to high lamp for a bit, helped clear it up. Find it odd a few of us have had the lamp start flickering around the same number of hours.

I was implying that the Magnolia stores would most likely know more about projectors than the regular BB stores, since I have yet to meet anyone in a regular BB that has much knowledge about projectors. Not to say that there are not some guys at a BB that know about projectors. I just have not run into one yet and I have been to a bunch of BB's. smile.gif

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I was implying that the Magnolia stores would most likely know more about projectors than the regular BB stores, since I have yet to meet anyone in a regular BB that has much knowledge about projectors. Not to say that there are not some guys at a BB that know about projectors. I just have not run into one yet and I have been to a bunch of BB's. smile.gif

A bit off topic, but I bought my first projector (a Kloss Novabeam, Model 2) from a real Magnolia store (before Best Buy acquired the few remaining stores). The owner called a week or so later to get my feedback. It was a new model and he wanted to know if he should order more. After he retired (and his kids took over), they mostly pushed car audio (and their HT rooms were disappointing).

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What is the general settings that everyone is using for the Iris? Mode one or two?
What setting on the MPC is best?

Mode 2 and the MPC controls don't currently work on any current generation JVC model. You can adjust the slider for each setting but it doesn't actually do anything. They'll have to be re-enabled via another firmware update.
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E-shift does but the MPC controls don't.
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