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A little late to the party but I just bought a 4910u and am currently waiting for it arrive. It's replacing an Epson 8500ub that has served me well for the past 4 years. I find it's time to go to the next level and waiting for 4k to be affordable is becoming tiresome. Mainly I'm hoping for much improved black levels and a tighter pixel grid, which it seems by what I've read, is what I'll be getting.
Oh you'll get that and MUCH more the two are not in the same league. I had an 8100 before going to an rs40 and now a 4910. Totally different animal.
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Oh you'll get that and MUCH more the two are not in the same league. I had an 8100 before going to an rs40 and now a 4910. Totally different animal.
Definitely what I'm hoping for. A massive jump in performance. Watching my Panasonic 60vt60 has spoiled the hell out of me with it's black levels.
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I have a question about the digital Keystone correction. My installer had to move my projector off center a foot or so with a 13ft throw and mentioned that I could correct some vertical line issues using the digital keystone feature. Will this impact the image at all if I move it a tick or two? The only way I can look at it is using the shift grid and see the vertical lines. I can tell that the upper corners are a little wider than the lower so if I correct it using keystone it looks straight. I just would rather a small variance than sacrificing image quality. Thanks for all you experts' help.
Sounds like it's vertically off-center and the PJ is no longer square to the screen. It would be better to square the PJ and use the lens shift to center the image. Provided the shift range is sufficient, this will give a better image than using digital keystone, as any image scaling (which is what digital keystone is) invariably degrades the image (though how much is debatable).

If the range of lens shift is insufficient and you are forced to tilt the PJ, it's still preferable to allow a little bit of keystone and hide that in the black velvet border of the screen.

Also if your installer did not understand this, I'd look for a new installer.
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A little late to the party but I just bought a 4910u and am currently waiting for it arrive. It's replacing an Epson 8500ub that has served me well for the past 4 years. I find it's time to go to the next level and waiting for 4k to be affordable is becoming tiresome. Mainly I'm hoping for much improved black levels and a tighter pixel grid, which it seems by what I've read, is what I'll be getting.

I have seen the Epson 5030 and find the JVC to be a step up, I am sure you will be very happy.

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I have seen the Epson 5030 and find the JVC to be a step up, I am sure you will be very happy.

The 4910 costs more than the 5030, and IMO you do get more for that money. Hard to beat the 4910 picture wise for the price.

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What you are describing sounds like an alignment problem. You would be better off adjusting the alignment of the pj to the screen to fix this. Do not use keystone correction as it will degrade the image.

Because of the ceiling studs not being in the center of the room horizontally we had to move it about a foot off center. I cannot move it now that it has been installed and mounted. We couldnt do the electrical also because of this reason. At any rate I will see how it looks without the keystone on and make a judgement call. What kind of effect does it have on PQ if I turn it on? What should I be looking for specifically?
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You should be able to adjust this by tilting the pj up or down. Having to mount the pj to the left or right is what lens shift is meant for. If your top or bottom is larger, tilting the pj up or down should fix that. You don't need to remount or move the pj.

Are the upper corners equally wider on both sides? If so tilt the pj down a bit so the lens is in the same plane as the screen. Use lens shift to bring the image back up.

Keystone should always be a last resort.

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Lens shift should always be a last resort.
I would say the digital keystone is the last resort, only if the problem cannot be solved with either moving/rotating/tilting the PJ, or lens shift as a second resort.
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I would say the digital keystone is the last resort, only if the problem cannot be solved with either moving/rotating/tilting the PJ, or lens shift as a second resort.
Sorry, that should have said keystone not lens shift. I'll fix my typo.
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So if the projector is moved to the left the right side upper corner of the screen seems larger than the left which makes sense due to the slight angle. How can I resolve that without moving the projector or using keystone? Thanks all
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Thx seanbryan,

Yes I have a Darblet in the loop. Will try to remove it. Such a shame, meaning I cannot use the Darblet with the JVC ?

Also, i have a problem when playing the Hobbit 3D on my Oppo 103D. The screen goes black every so often. It is displaying 1080p 24 (FP) when it goes on again. What is FP ?

It is fine when I play a 2D movie.

Appart of that, the picture is really good.
It is harder to send 3D than it is 2D. I think you are near your HDMI limits with 2D and when you go to 3D, you are on the very edge, so sync comes and goes.

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Dear Mike Garrett:

You took thousands of dollars from me. Thousands. You didn't apologize - you just sent me a projector and thought it would make up for taking my money. I already have several projectors. What you did makes no sense - especially to my girlfriend.

I want my thousands of dollars back - but I don't want to send you back this JVC RS4910U that is throwing a glorious image on my 176" scope screen. I mean really glorious. I assume you won't agree to refund my money unless I return the projector, so I'm keeping it.

Knowing you, you'll probably pull this crap on me again in a few years with another projector.

drat.

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Dear Mike Garrett:

You took thousands of dollars from me. Thousands. You didn't apologize - you just sent me a projector and thought it would make up for taking my money. I already have several projectors. What you did makes no sense - especially to my girlfriend.

I want my thousands of dollars back - but I don't want to send you back this JVC RS4910U that is throwing a glorious image on my 176" scope screen. I mean really glorious. I assume you won't agree to refund my money unless I return the projector, so I'm keeping it.

Knowing you, you'll probably pull this crap on me again in a few years with another projector.

drat.

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I have a question please

when I change between manual and auto iris, can I see the shift of black level immediately? I test this on different scenes but saw no difference.
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Dear Mike Garrett:

You took thousands of dollars from me. Thousands. You didn't apologize - you just sent me a projector and thought it would make up for taking my money. I already have several projectors. What you did makes no sense - especially to my girlfriend.

I want my thousands of dollars back - but I don't want to send you back this JVC RS4910U that is throwing a glorious image on my 176" scope screen. I mean really glorious. I assume you won't agree to refund my money unless I return the projector, so I'm keeping it.

Knowing you, you'll probably pull this crap on me again in a few years with another projector.

drat.

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Think how I feel Chris. First, I was just a forum member, just like you. Then, I discovered AV Science sold stuff. Soon, tens of thousands of dollars seemed to flow from my wallet to AV Science, in exchange for wonderful A / V equipment items - projectors, screens, you name it. Then, one day, I was absorbed - like a home theater Borg had grabbed me. Oh, my friend, there is no escape for you now. " 176" scope screen " - yup, size matters. I bet even your girlfriend agrees with that !
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Chris,

What screen are you using and how far back do you sit? I am trying to imagine how huge that must be.

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Do you have pics Chris?

Give me something to envy please.
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I have firmware 1211.1, should i bother with firmware 1211.6? Is it easy to brick the projector if the firmware installed failed?
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I have a question please

when I change between manual and auto iris, can I see the shift of black level immediately? I test this on different scenes but saw no difference.
Anyone? I have light colored walls, ceiling and floor, but I dont think this is the issue.

By the way I upgraded from Benq W1070, and even in my environment, the picture is superb compared to W1070.
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I have a question please

when I change between manual and auto iris, can I see the shift of black level immediately? I test this on different scenes but saw no difference.
You're not going to see it on most medium to bright scenes. Even darker scenes with very bright objects may not allow the iris to close down.

Best way to see what it is doing is to play some dark sequences and stand so you can look across the lens to the aperture to see how it is functioning. Just don't stare straight into the lens
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I have firmware 1211.1, should i bother with firmware 1211.6? Is it easy to brick the projector if the firmware installed failed?
According to Mike from AVSales, the update only fixes a limited number of specific compatibly issues, such a Extron. IT is not supposed to fix HDMI issues or improve picture performance. That said, you never know what they really changed and I like to run the newest firmware. It's an easy update if you are familiar with firmware updates. If you are not, then I would not risk it.
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when I change between manual and auto iris, can I see the shift of black level immediately? I test this on different scenes but saw no difference.
Where can I find the iris settings?
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Where can I find the iris settings?
Use the "Advanced" button on your remote.
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Use the "Advanced" button on your remote.
Is it the "Lens Aperture"?
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Chris,

What screen are you using and how far back do you sit? I am trying to imagine how huge that must be.
Hi David,

In the next post I'll show you pics. It's an Elite Screens Sable Frame acoustically transparent screen with their 1080P2, second generation woven screen material, 1.1 gain. I like to sit about 2.5X the screen height, so I'm about 14' back from the screen.

This gigantic screen happened accidentally - I was just trying to upgrade my ten-year-old 100" 16X9 Stewart Firehawk with something a bit larger - like maybe 120" 16X9. But dinking around on Amazon I saw that these Elite Screens were ridiculously cheap. For $600 delivered I could buy the largest screen Elite offered. 10 years ago this would not have been possible (for me - I'm not about to spend $5,000 or whatever it would cost to buy a Stewart in this size range) - nobody was selling cut rate screens on the internet, certainly not this huge.

After factoring in the staircase, my 19X25' room is effectively 16', so a screen with a 13.5' viewable width isn't that ridiculous.

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Give me something to envy please.
Hi Sean,

Scroll down toward the end of the build thread and you will see it installed - that's me in the white shirt and jeans. I haven't posted any pictures before now because the theater is really only about half done - when it's complete I'll throw up pictures. The theme is basically solid black, broken up with large black-and-white framed photos of old Hollywood stars, lit from above with small in-ceiling halogen lights.

I don't have the acoustic treatment done, the light colored oak wood stained, the popcorn machine, or any of a hundred other tasks. But we're getting there

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Hi Sean,

Scroll down toward the end of the build thread and you will see it installed - that's me in the white shirt and jeans. I haven't posted any pictures before now because the theater is really only about half done - when it's complete I'll throw up pictures. The theme is basically solid black, broken up with large black-and-white framed photos of old Hollywood stars, lit from above with small in-ceiling halogen lights.

I don't have the acoustic treatment done, the light colored oak wood stained, the popcorn machine, or any of a hundred other tasks. But we're getting there

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s298/...eefc7b1a57b575
It is a journey, but well worth the end result. I just converted the front of my theater to baffle wall and built/installed new LCR's. Also relocated a couple 18" subs to the baffle wall. With these being baffle wall, I went all out, since I think I will be living with these for a while. Of course, who knows how long with me. Six different sets of speakers have been in this room in the last seven years.

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I could be wrong about this, but I think the latest firmware update was supposed to fix some of the networking issues. What firmware version are you running?
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Sorry for delay in responding; out of town on assignment. I do have latest version, so that is not the issue. Problem persists. I think I'm going to give up on IP and use the 232.
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