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I'm having a problem with my RS57u. I'm hoping that someone can point me in the right direction. I'll admit that I've read a few dozen posts, but not a hundred. So, the answer may be in this thread.

I have my JVC connected to a Denon 4520ci using HDMI 1. I only have one source connected to the AVR, an Oppo 103D.

The JVC has been perfect since I connected it in late December. I have about 150 hours on it.

Just this week, The projector will not show the Oppo menu or Netflix. It will show blurays and DVDs just fine. For example, start a bluray, hit stop, the screen goes black. No Oppo menu. Hit play, the JVC shows the disc image. Hit stop, no video. Same with transitioning from a disc to Netflix, no video.

I read posts in the JVC HDMI thread. I was prepared to update the firmware, but the unit is already on r1211.6.

Is this a problem with transitioning from 1080p/24 to 1080p/60?
Am I starting the equipment up in the wrong sequence?
Have one of the kids changed a setting inadvertently?

I'm happy to troubleshoot, but would love some direction to avoid reinventing the wheel.

Thx all.
Could be Vesa protocol exchange between devices on the signal chain gets messed up. Sometimes it's just a matter of a hot plug disconnect (HDMI cbl) and reconnect. If this does not work after several attempts, try power on reset with the OPPO with all cables connected. Sometimes I have had to do this 10 times or so ... then the boxes start talking to each other and the problem goes away for a long period of time. I've done this several times. Automation is great! lol.
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RedStripe - First thing… Take the Denon out of the chain (Oppo direct to 57), and let us know if the menu reappears.

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RedStripe - First thing… Take the Denon out of the chain (Oppo direct to 57), and let us know if the menu reappears.
Thanks for the input guys. I'm starting to trouble shoot tonight, and this weekend if I can't figure it out tonight.

Took the Denon out of the chain. Oppo HDMI1 direct to 57U. No menu. Connected a flat screen to HDMI1. Menu was visible on the flat screen. Connected the 57U HDMI to Oppo HDMI 2. No menu.

Did a factory reset on the Oppo. Same results as above.

Should I reset the JVC? Is there an easy way to do that? I'll search this forum, next.

Edit: Found it. the factory reset is in the service menu. The code to get into that menu is Up, Down, Right, Left, Enter.

Trying that now.

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I see several people are having the same problem as I did in my first post (no video from any source through either input). I turned the projector off and waited until the red light was solid (fan stopped) then unplugged and plugged right back in. that's all it took. it would be interesting to determine the change that causes this problem. when i unboxed my PJ, I turned it on without any source connected to do my initial zoom and shift so it would be easier to see the on screen menu when I mounted it on the ceiling. After mounting, I connected sources and turned it on - to my surprise no picture. I will never be able to get back the half hour of panic until I did what I tell my friends when they have a PC or DVR problem - when in doubt - reboot!
That worked!!

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I just ordered a 57U from Mike at AVS to replace my 7 year old RS1. I'm excited to see the upgraded picture. Anyone here make the same upgrade? Any thoughts?
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I bought the other 57u. Should arrive Thursday. Upgrading from Epson 6020. Now I'm looking for lots of Fidelio black velvet. lool.

The JVC is highly linear compared to the Epson projector. I use eeColor as my image processor. I might blow the dust of my mini3 and try that at some point.
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Congrats! I couldn't pass up such a great deal! You'll get yours well ahead of me as mine is being shipped all the way to Hawaii!
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For anyone who replaced a DLA RS1 with the DLA-X700R / RS57U could you tell me if I can use the same Chief ceiling mount?
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For anyone who replaced a DLA RS1 with the DLA-X700R / RS57U could you tell me if I can use the same Chief ceiling mount?
Mount on your RS1 will not work with RS57. Do you need to add a mount to your order? Call or email to discuss.

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I just ordered a 57U from Mike at AVS to replace my 7 year old RS1. I'm excited to see the upgraded picture. Anyone here make the same upgrade? Any thoughts?
It's been a few years since I've seen an RS1, but the picture upgrade should bring a big smile to your face !
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After spending some time with the RS57's CFI, I'm noticing more errors/artefacts on High than on my outgoing projector (panasonic AE3K).

Since e-shift and associated sharpening/dynamic contrast processing uses some of the projector's refresh and computational cycles, does turning the 4K e-shift function off allow the FI to operate with fewer hiccups?
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Hey guys,

I've been battling this issue for a long time now and am pretty confident that it has been resolved...FINALLY.

I hope this helps someone or is at least educational. I'm copy/pasting a few posts from a Sony AVR thread.



2/20/2015
Ok,

So I've been having this issue for awhile now and believe the issue lies with my Sony AVR. What happens is sometimes when switching inputs from DirecTV to BDP or vice versa, PS4 to DirecTV or vice versa there is a handshake issue and the screen turns black with green horizontal flashing lines. I've played with many different settings on all pieces of equipment in the chain, tried unplugging the HDMI cable from the projector & AVR for 30 seconds and then plug them back in, but the problem still persists and the only way to fix the issue is to power off everything with my Harmony Touch remote and then power everything back on after the projector has cooled down for a few minutes. This is a major hassle and just plain embarrassing when trying to entertain a group of people.

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JVC DLA-X700R (Projector)
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Sony PS4 (Game Console)
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35' Cable Matters HDMI cable from JVC projector -> Sony AVR
5' Monster HDMI cables from Sony AVR -> all other components

The 35' HDMI & Power Cables for the projector run thru the same conduit, but both cables are shielded.
All of my components are connected via Ethernet and have all the latest firmware updates.

The only thing I haven't tried thus far is purchasing another 35' HDMI cable so I could run one of them from the projector to the Oppo BDP and the other from the projector to the DirecTV DVR. This way I could use the internal switching of the JVC projector to see if I still get the same issue (if so, then it must be the JVC projector, if not the issue must be the Sony AVR). But I have more than two components in my chain so it would be a pain having to set it up this way just to test this theory, hence the reason I haven't tried it.

Please provide any insight...

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4/29/2015
Hey,

What type of Cable/SAT TV provider do you have?

I'm using DirecTV (Genie DVR) and there's a video setting set to Native that I turned off. Since making that change the other day, I haven't had the issue I was experiencing before. I'm going to continue testing this over the next couple weeks and I'll report back my findings, but so far this seems to have resolved my issue.

What prompted this discovery was I noticed that while switching between my BDP & PS4 (something I rarely do), I had no issues whatsoever, no matter how fast I switched inputs or how many consecutive times I switched inputs between those two sources. But when I add the input switching for my DirecTV Genie DVR into the mix, then I get problems. This is what led me to believe that the problem didn't lie with my projector or AVR, but with my DirecTV Genie DVR. After doing some online research, this is a known issue with many AVRs and TV set top boxes (not isolated to Sony & DirecTV). This makes sense, since a lot of manufacturers source the same components for their similar competing products.

If you have another type of Cable/SAT set top box, dig around in the video settings (there shouldn't be many) and try to find a similar setting to "Native" and disable it and see if that helps. You may have to do some online searching or call your service provider for assistance.

I also only have my DirecTV Genie DVR set to ouput 1080i & 1080p (there's resolution check boxes).

I hope this helps and I'll report back after a couple weeks of testing.



6/26/2015
Ok, after some further testing, just switching that setting to Native in my DirecTV Genie was not the fix. And this setting actually played no role in my issue.

What has resolved my issue was by turning off 4K scaling in my Sony AVR & Oppo BDP and just letting my JVC projector handle 4K scaling. Another key setting that I had to be sure to turn off on each piece of gear was HDMI-CEC. Only after disabling CEC on all of my devices AND disabling 4K scaling on all of my devices (except on my projector) has my issue been totally rectified.

Please note that each manufacturer has it's own branding for CEC, but this can be figured out by doing some online searching.

I hope all of this research and testing can help others as it has been a major pain in the you know what for me. But I'm finally able to enjoy trouble free HDMI switching and resolution changes.

Cheers,
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http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...ion-unreliable
http://www.howtogeek.com/207186/how-...hy-you-should/

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After a couple of months I was finally able to set up my new RS57U that I got from AVS. I replaced my Stewart Studiotek 130 with an AT Seymour AV Center Stage screen that's 18" bigger as well. All I can say is WOW! The picture is bright and beautiful and that's just using the simple settings that Mike Garrett aka AV Science Sales 5 gave me. I had a few questions when setting the unit up and needed assistance and Mike was very helpful and quick to respond. I have to say that along with excellent pricing their service is top notch as well. I hope to report more once everything is all dialed in.
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Couple of questions for the owners here:

1) How does everyone update their unit? LAN connection? RS232 port to a laptop? Mine is mounted to the ceiling and not very easy to reach.

2) Is there a way to turn off the red indicator light in the off position? It actually reflects off my flat panel when not in use.
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Couple of questions for the owners here:

1) How does everyone update their unit? LAN connection? RS232 port to a laptop? Mine is mounted to the ceiling and not very easy to reach.

2) Is there a way to turn off the red indicator light in the off position? It actually reflects off my flat panel when not in use.
1) update can only be done via RS232.
2) you can put a black tape over the red indicator light.
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Mr. Hatcher,

Thanks for taking the time to post that information.
It's interesting how some seemingly simple settings can cause problems. With 1080p sources and considering that the JVC projectors are themselves 1080p, probably makes sense to just keep everything set to 1080p in the chain. I just had to replace our Dish Hopper since the old one fried. DVR episodes of " Under The Dome " and " Extant " had horrible motion artifacts when we watched them Sunday. The Hopper was set to output 1080i/p. I think the previous Hopper was set that way too - with no problems like I was seeing Sunday night. Setting the Hopper to output 720p made the artifacts vanish.

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Mr. Hatcher,

Thanks for taking the time to post that information.
No prob at all. I just hope anyone else out there that has the same or similar technical issue can find that information and it helps them, because I got my first grey hair because of this nonsense. I spouted more curse words in the past year alone than I care to admit, LOL! My grandma would've stuck many bars of soap in my mouth if she heard me. That old yellow dial soap tasted terrible!

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It's interesting how some seemingly simple settings can cause problems. With 1080p sources and considering that the JVC projectors are themselves 1080p, probably makes sense to just keep everything set to 1080p in the chain. I just had to replace our Dish Hopper since the old one fried. DVR episodes of " Under The Dome " and " Extant " had horrible motion artifacts when we watched them Sunday. The Hopper was set to output 1080i/p. I think the previous Hopper was set that way too - with no problems like I was seeing Sunday night. Setting the Hopper to output 720p made the artifacts vanish.
Yep, I had no idea CEC & 4K scaling could cause that big of a headache. I was sure that one component (projector or AVR) had to be the root of my issue, but in fact it was just a couple settings in all of my components in the chain. Thing is, I've tried disabling 4K scaling alone in the past and that didn't work so that led me to believe that wasn't related to the issue, when in fact it was just an integral part of the underlying issue. I had to disable both 4K scaling & CEC in order to totally resolve my issue. Speaking of which, I'm still issue free. Fingers crossed I don't end up eating those words, knock on wood.

I am leaning towards continuing my education and getting THX, isf & InfoComm Certified so I can get out of IT and move over to A/V as a profession. I'm much more passionate about A/V than IT. I just hope I can find a decent paying job.

You guys have any insight for me? I don't want to make a poor career choice if the job market isn't favorable. I know it's a niche consumer/residential market, but I have no idea about the professional/commercial market. Any guidance would be much appreciated.

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Since I work in this field I will give some insight. First it is good you have an IT background as you will need it. I would love to do just AV but everything today is on the network and I do more IT work now than ever. I do have a computer background and also prefer doing AV work. It is a tough market to get into as margins are poor but you are probably used to that in the IT world. It will greatly depend on your area as well, for residential you want to look at areas that are at least $500k and above homes. Home automation is big in higher priced homes and programming for control systems would be a valuable skill. Good GUIs are very important and most IT guys are not good at it, no offense. I have found IT guys in the past want to have these systems with a gazillion option and capabilities but the users want simple. Think about GUI that a 6 or an 86 year old could use.


Commercial can be better but requires a different set of skills. Most audio in commercial settings are 70 volt systems and you don't want to wire like you would a home system. Coverage is very important and everything is usually mono. Learn paging and phone systems, know how fire systems integrate. Microphone systems are also a necessity. Video is different too and IT plays an even bigger role especially in conference rooms and the education market. You have already had a taste of bandwidth and HDMI, 4K doubles the bandwidth. It is similar to the difference in bandwidth of Cat 5,6,7. Cabling is very important and having reliable stuff is important in the commercial world. Many HDMI problems come down to cabling issues. Taking classes on HDMI would also be beneficial. If you can find a company that does both residential and commercial that would be a good start for learning. Pay will not be great to start but if you have a good skill set companies will pay for your expertise.


ISF, THX, HAA and many CEDIA certifications will not help for many companies. Except for some specialty companies most residential companies do not focus on those aspects. Out company does and we actually contract with a few other companies to do their specialty work when needed. Acoustic education can help if you are doing commercial work especially for larger areas. Large area acoustics like auditoriums, HOW (House of Worship) stadiums require different acoustic skills than home acoustics. I have to run but you are welcome to PM me if you have any questions.
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1) update can only be done via RS232.
2) you can put a black tape over the red indicator light.

Thanks for the RS232 info.

I'd also like to avoid the black tape although it sounds easy I'd want to avoid the hassle of having it melt and gum up that area.
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Since I work in this field I will give some insight. First it is good you have an IT background as you will need it. I would love to do just AV but everything today is on the network and I do more IT work now than ever. I do have a computer background and also prefer doing AV work. It is a tough market to get into as margins are poor but you are probably used to that in the IT world. It will greatly depend on your area as well, for residential you want to look at areas that are at least $500k and above homes. Home automation is big in higher priced homes and programming for control systems would be a valuable skill. Good GUIs are very important and most IT guys are not good at it, no offense. I have found IT guys in the past want to have these systems with a gazillion option and capabilities but the users want simple. Think about GUI that a 6 or an 86 year old could use.


Commercial can be better but requires a different set of skills. Most audio in commercial settings are 70 volt systems and you don't want to wire like you would a home system. Coverage is very important and everything is usually mono. Learn paging and phone systems, know how fire systems integrate. Microphone systems are also a necessity. Video is different too and IT plays an even bigger role especially in conference rooms and the education market. You have already had a taste of bandwidth and HDMI, 4K doubles the bandwidth. It is similar to the difference in bandwidth of Cat 5,6,7. Cabling is very important and having reliable stuff is important in the commercial world. Many HDMI problems come down to cabling issues. Taking classes on HDMI would also be beneficial. If you can find a company that does both residential and commercial that would be a good start for learning. Pay will not be great to start but if you have a good skill set companies will pay for your expertise.


ISF, THX, HAA and many CEDIA certifications will not help for many companies. Except for some specialty companies most residential companies do not focus on those aspects. Out company does and we actually contract with a few other companies to do their specialty work when needed. Acoustic education can help if you are doing commercial work especially for larger areas. Large area acoustics like auditoriums, HOW (House of Worship) stadiums require different acoustic skills than home acoustics. I have to run but you are welcome to PM me if you have any questions.
Thanks for the response, I do appreciate it. I just want to be able to go to work and enjoy what I do, that's important to me. Just maintaining servers all day is boring me. I need to do something fresh and exciting to keep my brain happy. I do really enjoy being very hands on and having the ability to physically build things. That's why I figured getting into A/V would be good for me. I love the entire process of project planning, building, configuring & troubleshooting entire media rooms. That's fun and exciting to me.

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I will say the job has a lot of different aspects to it and you get to work with a lot of cool stuff and do a lot of cool things. There might be some parts of it that get routine but every installation is different and has different challenges.
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I will say the job has a lot of different aspects to it and you get to work with a lot of cool stuff and do a lot of cool things. There might be some parts of it that get routine but every installation is different and has different challenges.
That's exactly why I feel like I would be a good fit in the A/V world. I feel as if I could apply my current skill sets and avid interest in the industry well to an A/V organization, and would require minimal training to get off the ground. I'm not one whom believes he knows everything so I welcome knowledge from experts and I ask a lot of questions. I just need to find someone that will give me the opportunity. I know I will have to move to a larger city that has a larger customer base, but I've accepted that and am ready to take the plunge.

Any advice on where to start with training? Any Certs that will help me to have a better chance of getting my foot in the door somewhere? I know you said before that learning how to program home automation / integration products was a big thing now. I've never messed around with anything other than programming my Harmony remote to control my media center devices, but I know that these devices can control pretty much anything that's compatible with the tech.

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The tech areas is where companies pay more and your skills are more marketable. It is easier to train someone to pull wire, hang a flat panel, etc. than it is to train them in networking, design or programming. Since there is more work in the commercial segment I would focus on a lot of the Infocom courses and certs. Design work is also very desirable. Being proficient in AutoCAD, Visio and on the acoustic side EASE add to your marketability.


For programming Crestron is the big cert to get, followed by AMX. Smaller jobs would be done by companies like URC, RTI, Savant, Elan and Control4. You won't see any company use a Harmony, it is just not customizable enough and has very limited capabilities. The others have a steeper learning curve but offer much more capability.


Another area to get certs is in lighting and shading. Many of the manufacturers offer training. Lutron training would be a big one to get. Surveillance and HVAC are other areas to learn. There miht be other companies that install these systems but if your company does the automation you need to have knowledge on how these things work to integrate everything.


On the residential side of things make going to CEDIA your goal. Limit your time on the show floor and looking at the cool toys and get as many classes, certs in as you can. You won't be able to get as much done in a week's time anywhere else. Buy the Cedia education pass if taking a lot of Cedia classes, it is worth it. There are also a lot of free manufacturers training and can be worth going to as well. Some are sales pitches, so choose wisely. You'll only be able to get so much in, so focus on the day to day items that will make you marketable. Installer, networking (which you can skip), lighting and automation. ISF, THX, HAA and others like it are cool but they tend not to be day to day work for most residential companies. Most installations are not theaters or high end media room but involve whole house audio, lighting, shades, surveillance and automation.


There are a lot more job opportunities on the commercial side of things and work can be found in most urban and suburban areas. You don't need to go to a big city. If you want to do higher end home theaters and media rooms you either need to work for a company that travels to different locations or live in an area where million dollar homes and up are commonplace. If you don't mind hanging a lot of TVs and putting satellite dishes on roofs you can find work anywhere.
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The tech areas is where companies pay more and your skills are more marketable. It is easier to train someone to pull wire, hang a flat panel, etc. than it is to train them in networking, design or programming. Since there is more work in the commercial segment I would focus on a lot of the Infocom courses and certs. Design work is also very desirable. Being proficient in AutoCAD, Visio and on the acoustic side EASE add to your marketability.


For programming Crestron is the big cert to get, followed by AMX. Smaller jobs would be done by companies like URC, RTI, Savant, Elan and Control4. You won't see any company use a Harmony, it is just not customizable enough and has very limited capabilities. The others have a steeper learning curve but offer much more capability.


Another area to get certs is in lighting and shading. Many of the manufacturers offer training. Lutron training would be a big one to get. Surveillance and HVAC are other areas to learn. There miht be other companies that install these systems but if your company does the automation you need to have knowledge on how these things work to integrate everything.


On the residential side of things make going to CEDIA your goal. Limit your time on the show floor and looking at the cool toys and get as many classes, certs in as you can. You won't be able to get as much done in a week's time anywhere else. Buy the Cedia education pass if taking a lot of Cedia classes, it is worth it. There are also a lot of free manufacturers training and can be worth going to as well. Some are sales pitches, so choose wisely. You'll only be able to get so much in, so focus on the day to day items that will make you marketable. Installer, networking (which you can skip), lighting and automation. ISF, THX, HAA and others like it are cool but they tend not to be day to day work for most residential companies. Most installations are not theaters or high end media room but involve whole house audio, lighting, shades, surveillance and automation.


There are a lot more job opportunities on the commercial side of things and work can be found in most urban and suburban areas. You don't need to go to a big city. If you want to do higher end home theaters and media rooms you either need to work for a company that travels to different locations or live in an area where million dollar homes and up are commonplace. If you don't mind hanging a lot of TVs and putting satellite dishes on roofs you can find work anywhere.
Thank you for the detailed response and advice. I'll PM you if I have any further questions; should've done that anyways so I didn't get the thread off topic.

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