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Ultimate Sony VPL-VW500ES / VW600ES Information Thread




Press Release:
CEDIA 2013

Sony VPL-VW500ES/VW600ES
Sony VPL-VW500ES Brochure
Sony VPL-VW500ES - Bringing 4K Home
Sony VPL-VW600ES Marketing Material
SXRD Home Cinema Projector Range Catalog

Sony VPL-VW500ES/VW600ES Product Pages:
VPL-VW500ES
VPL-VW600ES

Product Specifications
Highlights
4K resolution (4096 x 2160) that’s greater than 4 times 1080p HD
Upscaling that transforms turns HD content into a 4K experience
HDMI® 2.0 compatible for 4K resolution at up to 60 frames per second
200,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio with SXRD™ technology
Brightness of 1,700 ANSI lumens
Auto Calibration function
In The Box
Remote Control (RM-PJ24)
Instruction Manual
AC Cord
Size AA batteries x 2
Certificate for two RF 3D glasses (TDG-BT500A)
Lens Cap
3D Features
Simulated 3D : Yes
3D Glasses Brightness Adjustment : 2 Modes, Standard and High
Transmitter : Built-in RF
Format(s) : Frame Packing/ Side by Side/ Over-Under/Simulated 3D/ESPN 3D format/ 720p / 60 SBS
Digitally Driven Panel : Yes
Effect Adjustment(s) : Yes
Signal : (HDMI inputs only) 1080:24p/60p/50p/60i/50i ; 720:60p/50p
2D to 3D Conversion : Yes
Convenience Features
Power Save Mode : Yes
IR Receiver : Front & Rear, Front, Rear
Test Pattern : Yes
Image Flip : HV, H, V, Off
BRAVIA® Sync™ : Yes
Remote Control : Yes (RM-PJ22)
Multiple Language Display : 15 languages (including English, French, Spanish, German and Chinese)
Display
Screen Size : 60"-200" recommended
Display Resolution : 4096 × 2160 (Full 4K)
Aspect Ratio : 17:9
Native Resolution : 4K - 4096 x 2160
Display Features
Display Technology : SXRD™ Technology
General
Integration Partner : Yes (Control4 Certified, AMX Device Discovery, Crestron Integrated Partner, Savant Partner in Excellence, RTI & URC)
Projection Picture Size : 60" to 300" measured diagonally
Lens : 4K All Range Crisp Focus (ARC-F)
General Features
Lens: 14 element with aspheric front element
Acceptable Computer Signals : fH: 19 to 72 kHz, fV: 48 to 92 Hz, fV: 60 Hz
Standby Mode : Yes
Information Menu : Horizontal and Vertical frequency display
Input A : D-sub 15 Pin, Analog RGB/Component
Vertical Keystone : Yes
Lens Control : Motorized focus, shift and zoom with servo/memory
Inputs and Outputs
Remote Network Connection(s) : 1 (Side) RS-232C: D-sub 9-pin (female)
HDMI™ Connection(s) (Total) : 2 (Side) Digital RGB/Y/Cb(Pb)Cr(Pr)
IR Input(s) : 1 (Side)
RS-232C Input(s) : Yes
RS232 Control : Yes
12V Trigger Output(s) : Mini Jack - Power On: DC 12V, output impedance: 4.7 kilohms Power Off: 0V (Two, selectable power / anamorphic zoom.)
Service and Warranty Information
Limited Warranty Term : Product Warranty - Limited 3 Years Parts and Labor except the lamp. Lamp Warranty - 90 Days from date of purchase.
TV System
Color System : Auto, NTSC, PAL, SECAM
Video
Contrast Ratio : 200,000:1 Dynamic Contrast
Video Calibration Settings : 11 Gamma Modes, HSV adjust by color, Custom Color Space, Auto Calibration for factory presets
Deep Color : Yes
Picture Modes : 9 modes
Brightness : 1700 Lumens
Video Features
Color Space : Supports sRGB (Rec 709)
Vertical Position : Yes
Acceptable Video Signals : Composite video, Y/C video, 15 kHz (RGB/Component) 50/60Hz; Progressive component 50/60 Hz; DTV (480/60i, 480/60p, 575/50i, 575/50p, 720/50p, 720/60p, 1080P24sF(48i),1080/50i, 1080/50p, 1080/60i), HDMI inputs only: 1080/60p, 1080/24p
Video Processing : Optional
Wide Mode : Yes
Film Mode : Yes
4K resolution upscaling : Yes - 3840 x 2160 (QFHD)
Lens Shift Function : Yes +85%/-80%(v), 31%(h)
Pixel Alignment : Yes, 1/10" Pixel increments, 153 zones
Deep Color : Yes
Anamorphic : Yes, lens-less anamorphic via picture position (No vertical stretch for 4K sources)
Motionflow™ Technology : Yes (120 Hz with Dark Frame Insertion)
3D Anamorphic : Yes, via picture position or external lens
x.v.Color™ Technology : Yes
Picture Position : Yes, 5 Modes (including lens-less anamorphic)
Title Area Control : Yes

Warrenty:
PDF

Price:
MSRP $11,999 (Sony VPL-VW500ES)
MSRP $14,999 (Sony VPL-VW600ES)

First Looks:
*ProjectorCentral.com* (First Look)
*ProjectorReviews.com* (First Look)

Reviews:
*TrustedReviews.com*
*HDFever.fr*
*AVForums.com*
*HDTVtest.co.uk*
*Cine4Home.de*
*Cine4Home.de* (HighEnd Edition)
*Projection-HomeCinema.fr*

User Reviews:
*desray2k*

Shoot-Outs
*User - Mini Shoot-Out* (Shoot-Out)

Accessories:
PSS-H10 Ceiling Bracket
IFU-WH1 Wireless HD Unit
LMP-H260 Lamp
TDG-BT500A 3D Glasses

Out of box settings closest to Reference:
Set mode -> Reference
Color Gamut -> R709
Gamma -> 2.2
Color Temp - D65

Input Lag
97ms

Day One Firmware Version
1.000

Latest Firmware Version
1.005

DOWNLOADS:

Manual(s):

Sony VPL-VW500ES Quick Reference (French)
Sony VPL-VW500ES Quick Reference (English / Spanish / French)
Sony VPL-VW500ES Full Manual (French)
Sony VPL-VW500ES Full Manual

Sony VPL-VW600ES Quick Reference
Sony VPL-VW600ES Full Manual

Latest Firmware Download
Sony VPL-VW500ES - Version 1.005
Sony VPL-VW600ES - Version 1.005


*First AVSForum User with this projector!* (Your eternal 15 Min of Fame Here! smile.gif)
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4K Material

Downloads



Please PM me any major breakthrough info and I will update the first post.


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Pictures!

Unboxing:
























Test Bench:





4K PC:




Cold Boot Convergence:
Yikes!!!!











Out of the box Calibration Reports:
Zombie10K
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Pre/Post - Calibration Reports:
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Review will come...

Here is a sample while we wait...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1369852/official-sony-vpl-vw95es-owners-thread/990#post_21232634

SOWK's Sony VPL-VW95ES 2D Review



Reviewers Setup:

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/...y/1e82fb69.jpg

Room: Fully Light Controlled / No Windows / All black/dary grey within 14 feet from the screen

Screen Size: Seymour AV Center Stage XD 163" 2.35:1 150" Width X 64" Height - *This is equivalent to a 172" 1.78:1 as I am only using the zoom method

Throw: 21.5 feet


Before we begin:

Some Lumen/Contrast numbers using out of box preset cinema 1. (high lamp)


Lumens at min throw using 255 white...
884

Lumens at min throw using 235 white...
786

Lumens at max throw using 255 white...
729

Lumens at max throw using 235 white...
647

ANSI contrast
420

On/off contrast (auto iris)
61,765:1

On/off contrast (manual)
12,963:1





Grading Scale: 1 - 10 (1 is the worst, 5 is about average, and 10 being "perfect") Also this grading scale is against other technologies as well, not just LCOS. If only against its own technology some of the grades would be higher.

Please remember even a 7 is a good score on my rating system.

Physical Hardware

Appearance: 9
Positive: It looks amazing from all angles
Negative: Would have liked more details on the face of the unit


Video Connections: 8
Positive: 2 HDMI / 1 Component
Negative: No DVI/ No Display Port / No USB


Build Quality: 9
Positive: About as nice as it gets in consumer products
Negative: Still made out of plastic.


Fan Noise: 8
Positive: it wont distract you even during silent passages in movies
Negative: Still can be heard in a silent or sound treated room.


Lens Quality: 6
Positive: has the ability to focus evenly across the screen
Negative: I feel the lens has to much Chromatic Aberration and Pixel level haloing.


Convergence: 7
Positive: Each panel is aligned correctly to green. About 1/8 a pixel off on blue, and 1/16 a pixel off on red. Overall very very good.
Negative: Lens issues as mentioned above make perfect focusing more difficualt.


Lens Memory: 4
Positive: Gets it in the ball park.
Negative: But in that ball park you are as far away from home plate as possible... I still adjust Focus/Shift after a lens memory preset.



Image Quality

Black Levels: 8
Positive: Gets dark enough to not draw attention on a fad to black
Negative: still not "true" black, some extremely low APL scenes with no bright objects on screen still have a "haze"


Shadow Detail: 9
Positive: shows all black steps down to 16 for video content, and can distinguish between 0 and 1 in PC black levels.
Negative: Always room for improvement in the future if they can still get ON/OFF higher


Black Level/Shadow Detailing in Extreme Low Light Scenes: 6
Positive: Shows differences in shadow detailing within objects on screen.
Negative: Can still look very hazy

*Note: This is an area that all digital technologies need major improvement in. AKA: getting real on/off contrast ratios of 1,000,000:1 and still much higher.

Examples:
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/...y/ac1a4ff3.jpg
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/...y/75310743.jpg

Color - REC 709: 9
Positive: Very accurate out of the box in Normal color space mode.
Negative: RCP is not accurate/linear enough to use to correct all saturation levels.


Normal Color:
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/...y/eeac1a58.jpg
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/...y/0bc0f0ac.jpg
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/...y/7ac6d8b6.jpg

Wide 1 Color:
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/...y/eacf8926.jpg
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/...y/c43e5e8a.jpg
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/...y/7694217f.jpg

Sharpness: 8
Positive: Sharp for SXRD/LCOS - about as far as the technology maybe able to go.
Negative: Can't compete with a great single chip DLP.


Native Motion Resolution: 7
Positive: Very Good, better then other LCD and LCOS technologies
Negative: Out performed by CRT, DLP and Plasma.


FI Motion (LOW) Resolution: 9
Positive: Almost all 1080 Lines of motion resolution
Negative: Not quite all 1080 lines. I do not like the side effects it has on 24p material. For 60htz material, it's great.


FI Motion (HIGH) Resolution: 10
Positive: All 1080 Lines of motion resolution - Not a hint of motion blur if not native to the source.
Negative: I do not like the side effect it has on 24p material. For 60htz material, it's amazing.


Color Uniformity: 8
Positive: Nearly as perfect as this technology allows and not noticeable by eye in test patterns or real world material.
Negative: A Calibration meter will get slightly different reading from different area's of the screen.


Brightness Uniformity (10% Gray - White): 7
Positive: On my sample you would not be able to see in any real world material.
Negative: Only a very slight hint of color shading. Hard to pick up even in test patterns - Really a non issue. Close enough to being perfect for this technology


Brightness Uniformity (Black): 6
Positive: Great in the center.
Negative: Still has brighter corners then the center of the screen.


Image (ANSI) Contrast: 7
Positive: Very good for SXRD - Some scenes have good "depth" because of the outstanding nature of the ANSI
Negative: Outgunned by DLP / Plasma


Brightness: 8
Positive: Looks good even on my ridiculously sized screen
Negative: we can all use extra brightness... Especially if you plan on using 3D. I could triple the lumen output and still "want" more for my 2D!!! lol


Videophile Qualities - Most important image qualities to me.

"Looking Through The Window ability": 7
Positive: Great for SXRD, & better then most low/mid range DLP's
Negative: Out performed by "high end" DLP/Plasma


Natural Image (non digital image): 7
Positive: Better then LCD, & better then most low/mid range DLP's
Negative: Out performed by "high end" DLP/Plasma


Film Like Image: 7
Positive: Better then LCD, & better then most low/mid range DLP's
Negative: Out performed by "high end" DLP/Plasma



Overall Verdict

8


Calibration report...









During calibration:



Focus:



Looks even better in person and focus is even from edge to edge.



Couple of things I would like to say...

- It is very very good in cinema 1 preset out of the box. By far the best projector I have ever tested calibration wise. If I would have had gamma set to off and sharpness to off, you would not need a pro calibrator if you have a color neutral screen

- After calibration it is extremely close to reference and you would not need a external video processor.

- All results in report above are with dynamic iris "ON".

- Gamma was a little flatter to 2.22 with the dynamic iris off.
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Wow good job Sowk with this thead smile.gif

Here my first contribution :

Out of the box result : (Reference, D65, Gamma 2.2, low lamp, dynamic iris off)

Not good... But excellent.... eek.gif







Like other user, my convergence was off a bit with the blue but after 5 minutes it was "acceptable" and after 10 minutes warm-up its was align and almost perfect. So pretty happy with that too smile.gif
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Thanks for all the info and links!!


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Under General Features, change "speaker" to Lens and you might want to note under Video Features, anamorphic: ( no vertical stretch for 4K sources).

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DONE!

I pulled the DATA directly from Sony's site... lol

They must have made the mistake. There is no way I would manually type all that out... smile.gif


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What's the MSRP of the 500es?

Was shadow the first users with one?


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I think the MSRP was quoted just under $12000 to me from one dealer but I was lucky enough to buy off of another for well under that. I think I might have been the first to get one and now that my remodel of my room is 95% complete I'm able to get back to enjoying this great projector. Once I get my second screen installed next week I can try out the lens memory for different aspect ratio screens. Also got a pair of xpand x105 rf glasses to try out. I have two pair of the sony's but I want ones that are rechargeable. Tried a pair of Panasonic ones and they were really nice, light, comfy, rechargeable and blocked side light better than the sony's and paired up fine. Only problem is they introduce a bad flicker that makes them unusable like the lenses can't refresh fast enough for a 3d image, maybe someone has an idea why as they are labelled 3D HD RF standard.
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Can we get some owners in here to provide some mini reviews please?

Tell us about your setup & what you came from
Subjective reviews will be helpful as well.
Please do a summary at the end and let us know if you think its worth the investment.
I will be posting a very technical review once I get mine.


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you realize this discussion is going to consist of 4-5 people, myself, you, Mike G, Rick AV and maybe 1 or 2 more.

I am guessing that most 500/600 owners are going to plug it in, be insanely thrilled with the PQ, no desire to calibrate since it's so good out of the box, then leave AVS forum for 3 years while they enjoy their new 4K Sony power house... biggrin.gif

I am getting ready to set up the 4K server later today and test the RF 3D glasses as well.


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smile.gif, well were is my mini review.... Get going!

I'm just overly excited at the moment.

The whole design of my theater was around a bright 4K projector, and now that time has come!

Had to really put the puppy dog eye on for months straight to get the fiance to say yes. But I finally did it.

I may disappear from the forum. I think I have to as I told my fiance I am not allowed to buy anything else for the theater room for 2-3 years. (I told her 3.... BUT....)


Is it a perfect projector? NO.
Input Lag sucks
would love support for 4K @ 120Htz in 4:4:4
would love Single Chip DLP Sharpness
Would love perfect cross-talk / ghost free 3D

But that's kinda were the list ends for me at the moment...

Until I do the review and see if there is anything else bothersome. (I'm not to excited, to not be the critic that I am.)


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Sony RF Glasses:

compared with the IR glasses that ship with the 1000/1100/50/55, these are definitely more comfortable. I'm not sure how I am going to like having the open sides, some have mentioned they are distracted by the light entering from the sides.

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The whole design of my theater was around a bright 4K projector, and now that time has come!

Had to really put the puppy dog eye on for months straight to get the fiance to say yes. But I finally did it.

Did you order the server as well?

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No, as I believe the ps4 is more then sony's letting on... wink.gif ces sounds like a good time to reveal their plans...


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Had to really put the puppy dog eye on for months straight to get the fiance to say yes. But I finally did it.

If you think getting her to say yes now is difficult, wait till you get married and a few years pass.

Things that she eagerly says yes to now? Forget it. Things that you have to beg, be on good behaviour, bribe, plead for etc now, you will be lucky if she refrains from striking you. You will be back on the forum in a short time. The bitch slapping we might give you here is only harmless fun. smile.gif

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you realize this discussion is going to consist of 4-5 people, myself, you, Mike G, Rick AV and maybe 1 or 2 more.

I am guessing that most 500/600 owners are going to plug it in, be insanely thrilled with the PQ, no desire to calibrate since it's so good out of the box, then leave AVS forum for 3 years while they enjoy their new 4K Sony power house... biggrin.gif

I am getting ready to set up the 4K server later today and test the RF 3D glasses as well.

You just described me to a T . Insanely happy with the PQ, a few more tweaks here and there, an adjustment on the flux capacitor and I'm done . You summed up my plan pretty good, once I'm dialed in and happy I'll sail off into the sunset. Not sure anyone will shed a tear though. tongue.gif
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Don't screw with the internal flux capacitor. It is not user adjustable and while the operating voltage is low it has a high working voltage and presents a danger of serious shock and possible death given the state of one's heart while viewing and tweaking the projector. Leave adjustments to the internal flux capacitor to an ISF pro and only an ISF pro. demand to see his certification before allowing him to adjust the flux capacitor. If its not signed by Joel Silver and his investment banker, don't trust the authenticity of the certificate.

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Don't screw with the internal flux capacitor. It is not user adjustable and while the operating voltage is low it has a high working voltage and presents a danger of serious shock and possible death given the state of one's heart while viewing and tweaking the projector. Leave adjustments to the internal flux capacitor to an ISF pro and only an ISF pro. demand to see his certification before allowing him to adjust the flux capacitor. If its not signed by Joel Silver and his investment banker, don't trust the authenticity of the certificate.

Dr. Emmett L. Brown is coming over himself to make some adjustments . Not sure when, maybe in a decade or 20 years ago, probably when he gets the "time" machine adjusted. tongue.gif Must remember to check his credentials, thanks for the heads up . wink.gif
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Dr. Brown is NOT reliable. He took my plutonium, and in return gave me a shiny bomb case filled with used pinball machine parts.
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Dr. Brown is NOT reliable. He took my plutonium, and in return gave me a shiny bomb case filled with used pinball machine parts.

Mark was right then, you should have checked his credentials . Then again plutonium, hmmmm, you must be down a quart in your nuclear reactor I assume ? tongue.gif
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Hey guys,
I read VW95ES review. I have almost similar setup in terms of screen. Using 2.35 145" Seymour AT screen with VW95ES. Projector is mounted 17 feet from screen. I am thinking about upgrading to VW600ES but want to know how big of a difference that is going to make? Is the difference worth the money. I understand that we can't equally compare gain with price difference but still one would expect a BIG difference when spending extra 10 K (I bought B-Stock VW95ES ).
SOWK: A comparison of VW95ES vs VW600ES would be great.

Plus Panasonic 4K projector is coming out (I believe on Jan 08th). I read the posts on it but not much there.
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Can't really do that, as I have not owned the 95ES for about 2 years now.


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Can't really do that, as I have not owned the 95ES for about 2 years now.
But you have reviewed 95ES (3rd post on this tread) so you have all data and info. What we need is same info from vw600es and we have a comparison (assuming you are still using same screen and same distance).
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Correct, it will be in the same format as above.


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you realize this discussion is going to consist of 4-5 people, myself, you, Mike G, Rick AV and maybe 1 or 2 more.

I am guessing that most 500/600 owners are going to plug it in, be insanely thrilled with the PQ, no desire to calibrate since it's so good out of the box, then leave AVS forum for 3 years while they enjoy their new 4K Sony power house... biggrin.gif

I am getting ready to set up the 4K server later today and test the RF 3D glasses as well.

Sounds like I should forget the JVC RS57 and buy the SONY wink.gif

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Sounds about right to me.... smile.gif (at least I hope so...)


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Correct, it will be in the same format as above.
Ok. Are you planning to review 600ES? I'd be a very interesting to read you point of views.
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Yes, And then I will disappear for a while from the normal forums.


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Yes, And then I will disappear for a while from the normal forums.

smile.gif That's pretty much what append to all of the Sony owners.

After 2 weeks, the "honey moon" is over and I no longer "test" the projector but just watch regular content. My initial impression still stand, this is a great machine. Nothing more to add, no "bugs" found yet. Just the pleasure to watch a movie with a great projector.
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